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The reason tanks are not good for water drinking in the cities and larger towns is often the material of the roof, the contaminents washed into the tanks.
nor do a lot of people know that even in the country areas Councils still have the right to come and check your water (and charge you for the privelege). They can also make you add all the S**t they put into the town water system, so you are back to drinking the equivalent of swimming pool water.

Solar is a pipe dream for every house, largely advantaged in the Northern areas, further South you still need a power top up quite often during the year. If they are so important why is the govt charging sales tax and GST on them to the public and then charging the companies makeing them taxes.
As to wind, go and live within sound of the towers. Tidal is just that, not always available. Coal we have it, it is not going away, unless you want to drastically change your lifestyle, city dwellers complain about the smog now, what then with the cooking and heating fires adding to it. Change you useage put a timer on the house that only allows you a couple of hours a day supply, end of argument. The means of disposal of the spent Uranium is already here. Every body complains till the changes affect them, the the story changes.

Waterwilly. I do not usually respond to you faceless and profile less ones.
The flaw I see in your comment regarding the lad is that you deem yourself his superior in being able to pass judgement on his ability. Now the lad is smart enough and you should be smart enough to realise that sort of comment makes him insufferable for at least a month,lol. So either get a profile up or get ignored by me ad infinitum.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at August 7, 2008 1:29 PM

brilliantblue a strange butterfly, a true phantom

Thankyou Waterwilly....I actually like that description!

Posted by: brilliantblue at August 7, 2008 12:33 PM

Posted by: waterwilly at August 7, 2008 10:09 AM

Waterwilly, I think carefully before I make any post here. As I am sure you do.
rgds grego

Posted by: grego7 at August 7, 2008 10:59 AM

Posted by: auntykaz at August 6, 2008 11:13 PM

Maybe it's easier for the old resi's to concentrate on your piercings and tatts than consider the fact that you are showering them haha.

Troy

Posted by: troyohboy at August 7, 2008 10:56 AM

There are so many of us who would follow the sensible Ecological, responsible way of living our lives and there are so many options now. So I fail to understand when I look at new houses being built... why are they being built without any water tanks, wool batts(as opposed to dangerous fibreglassbatts) solar panels or proper greywater distribution?
As Community Radio DJ I had opportunity to interview one of the Council Employees who is in the postition to approve or disapprove when people submit their house plans prior to building". I asked why no one seems to be building in the ecological options. Apparently it is only a 'suggestion' that people add water tanks when they are building and even then only requires them to put in one very small one. Given that this was in Goolwa SA which is now battling to get some water into Lake Alexandrina and the Murray Mouth you would think water collection and water usage would have higher priority. Sadly the town council and locals were puting more time and effort into a tourist affiliation with Italy at that stage. Talk about getting prioitys wrong!
.. and back to topic .. Nope still nobody around to make me want to turn off the electric blanket at night!

Posted by: waternymph47 at August 7, 2008 10:19 AM

brilliantblue & waternymph47

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the nuclear issue. Solar is definitely the way to go. I'm half way through installing my solar hot water system. One of my brothers who lives inner city Melbourne has had his whole house running on solar (water and electricity) for about 7 years. Shortly he will be increasing the capacity and hooking in to the grid. The whole system he designed and installed himself.

Naturalwoman

I enjoy your humour; dont leave me in the lurch.

auntykaz & metalscott

I love tattoos. I have been procrastinating about getting one for years. By nature, I am not a procrastinator. I think I'm not ready to get one. I did have an ex who had them all over his legs and a couple on his arms. He designed them himself (he was a pretty good painter who had no faith in his talent) and I enjoyed their beauty
and meaning.
All the best to you metalscott in your career.

Posted by: egernia at August 7, 2008 10:00 AM

i'minperth - I've read that before (thanks teachers) and enjoyed it. So try in so many ways.

Posted by: woodnwine at August 7, 2008 9:59 AM

Off topic I know, but so good in my humble opinion.

This should be posted in all schools and work places
Bill
Gates recently gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did
not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good,
politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no
concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the
real world.

Rule 1 : Life is not fair - get used to it!

Rule 2 : The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will
expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about
yourself.

Rule 3 : You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school.
You
won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

Rule 4 : If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a
boss.

Rule 5 : Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your
Grandparents
had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't
whine
about your mistakes, learn from them.

Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they
are
now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes
and
listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before
you
save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation,
try
delousing the closet in your own room.

Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but
life
HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and
they'll
give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This
doesn't
bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off
and very few employers are interested in helpin g you FIND YOURSELF.
Do
that on your own time.

Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually
have
to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.

If you agree, pass it on.
If not, delete it.

If you can read this - Thank a teacher!

Posted by: iaminperth at August 7, 2008 9:12 AM

I'm all for solar power and would like to be able to afford solar panels on my house in the forseeable future. At the moment I use gas for hot water and cooking as I believe it's cleaner than coal power. I also have a rain water tank and recently changed to a front loading washing machine to use less water.

I heard the other day that the Government is offering subsidies for people to upgrade their refrigerators to new, more environmentally friendly ones .... does anyone know any details about this? I'd definitely take this up.

While in Spain a few years ago I drove past a power station that was obviously unused but in perfect condition. When I asked why I was told that it's a nuclear plant that was built and there was so much public outrage that the Government never turned it on. What a waste of money and resources. Having said that, I'm not totally convinced against nuclear power. Yes, the residue (spent uranium) is very dangerous but so is the residue from coal fired power stations. The difference is we send the residue from the coal fired stations up into our atmosphere every day rather than burrying it safely. Obviously, solar, wind and water power are the best options of all.

Posted by: woodnwine at August 7, 2008 9:08 AM

I don't know enough about nuclear energy to comment but I cannot understand why every house could not have their own water tanks and also plumbing to enable the grey water to be used on the garden. Solar panels as well of course. The cost of installing on an already constructed and established property is quite prohibitive but it's not making a lot of sense to me as I am sure it would alleviate a lot of the drought problems.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 7, 2008 9:01 AM

Each house needs Solar Panels & not just for hot water and our power grid would be better served with more Green Energy .. not Nuclear ..
Posted by: waternymph47 at August 6, 2008 7:54 PM

Couldn't agree more!
I have a friend who's a scientist and himself and a few other scientists have got together and worked out the costs of 12 nuclear reactors verus the cost of solar panals for both water and power on every house. The results were the panels on every house is not only a much safer option but also cheaper in the long run! We all win in this situation as any energy not used by the individual household can be sold back to the grid!

The government wants nuclear because of a lucrative deal with uranium companies and we can just guess who's pockets will be reaping profits!

Nuclear reactors are just creating another environmental mess down the track...its not the solution! I studied the pros and cons of nuclear energy at uni and there is no way I want Australia to go down this track!

The solution must be safe for humans and the environment long term!

Posted by: brilliantblue at August 7, 2008 8:24 AM

NaturalWoman ~ I'm sorry to see you go also. You have made so many wonderful postings. I'll try and find your blog musings in cyberland. You do have such a lovely way. Or maybe, I'll find you sipping wine in the beautiful French countryside as I fulfil a dream also over there.
Take care.

Jen x

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 7, 2008 7:16 AM

jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 5:38 PM
Sounds like a good gig that YG pub one.
I was wondering aloud earlier to someone what had happened to Brod. Glad to hear he is still playing.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at August 7, 2008 2:19 AM

oldergent at August 6, 2008 10:22 PM : Robert you are so good! ROFLMBO.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 7, 2008 12:20 AM

Sorry, this is a little off topic, bit in reply to a couple messages here....
waterbombe at August 6, 2008 8:52 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I understand the private schools get their funding from Federal Government and while the Public Schools don't get much from Federal, they get the bulk of theirs from State Government - where as the Private Schools don't get any from State.
From what I've heard once you take this into consideration the state schools actually get more per student and per school than the private schools.

amberlight58 at August 6, 2008 10:27 PM
Good point on the 2 party system - but it seems that peoples memories only last one or two terms by which time they forget they voted party A out before they voted party B in... meanwhile for the last umpteen years we all get fed up with politicians voting for their own pay rises, seeming to ignore hospitals, schools, roads (yet fuel tax is 30% of the crazy fuel pricing these days), etc!

waternymph47 at August 6, 2008 7:54 PM
Can't agree with you more on the water tanks... and not just a few hundred litre 'toy' tanks, but a decent three to nine thousand gallons per household and you wouldn't need town water! I know - I grew up with houses on rainwater - we do live in the driest continent afterall... stop sending our valuable storm water out to sea to mess up the marine life!

Now for the topic...
ATTN all guys: From what I understand while we think putting the wheelie bin out is just another annoying job that has to be done, our female friends actually see that as a sweet romantic gesture!

Oh, and cuddles... seems like a good thing to me in winter! Come on RSVP girls where are you! :-)

Michael.
MJgoldcoast

Posted by: mjgoldcoast at August 7, 2008 12:10 AM

NW@9.14pm:
DON'T YOU DARE LEAVE US!
Tell the old farts to POQ........you are entitled to blog your thoughts as much as "them".
Please help keep them pruned to size......we are all entitled to our "say" regardless.............we are a DEMOCRACY,aren't we!!
AS a friend said to me recently: "What others say about you,is their business......not yours!"
Love/like yourself....and let the rest of the world be damned!
Best wishes,kurli

Posted by: kurli at August 7, 2008 12:10 AM

NW - no, don't go - come back... lots of us like you (I do and it seems so do others) - people get absorbed in their own little trails and stories and just don't end up responding all the time, but they're nodding and agreeing and smiling and twitching and all those things as they read (well, again, speaking for myself...) just not always commenting. I did write a comment the other day saying how I didn't want you to go and I agreed with "certain things" you said about "certain things seemingly being unfair" - can't say what for fear of not getting this one posted like the last one wasn't allowed. It's late, and Im probably going on too much here - anyway, just dont go.... xxx

Posted by: malsie at August 7, 2008 12:05 AM

Sorry, this is a little off topic, bit in reply to a couple messages here....
waterbombe at August 6, 2008 8:52 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I understand the private schools get their funding from Federal Government and while the Public Schools don't get much from Federal, they get the bulk of theirs from State Government - where as the Private Schools don't get any from State.
From what I've heard the state schools actually

amberlight58 at August 6, 2008 10:27 PM

Posted by: mjgoldcoast at August 6, 2008 11:59 PM

Posted by: spanky668 at August 6, 2008 9:58 PM

Spanky, I thought what IS he on about, I had to go back and read my own post, funneeee.

Sorry I don't have a witty come back.

Posted by: maestrac at August 6, 2008 11:53 PM

Ha Perth, they love it actually. When they get to see them that is, and that happens when my hair is behind my ears. They also comment on my black nail polish on one little finger.

My daughter, who also works in the same ACF, has a tongue ring and when she pokes her tongue out they are highly amused. Just goes to show that the old saying about a book and its cover is true.

Personally, l am very intrigued by tattoos and like to look at them on others............K

Posted by: auntykaz at August 6, 2008 11:13 PM

Waternymph for some inexplicable reason RSVP still use my old name from before i tweaked my profile and changed my name.
Try UnknownAuthor in stead.

Posted by: twoeyes at August 6, 2008 10:38 PM

Marcus @ 4:21 PM,
Well said about Garrett and the environment.
I often think it's a wonder our kids feel any positivity and hope when you see the hypocrisy of those who are supposed to show leadership!
When the party line is more important than the future of the next generation......
Seems why we keep expecting our two major political parties to care for anything other than being re-elected and while we don't elect some free thinking independents to the House of Reps, we will continue to get the politicians we deserve!
And Marcus @ 1:00PM; Wow Marcus you have met some interesting people in your RSVP ventures! Did you make those A frames for the teacher?
I'm not sure that I could cope with meeting such interesting people with such diverse hobbies!
Thought of writing a book? Could be hilarous, even a best seller!
Can only agree with your comments yesterday at 11:19 AM about our "white" society. Recently went to a "Cultural Respect" Workshop. It's amazing how much we as white Australians take our position in this world so much for granted! I was completely gobsmacked to even try to comprehend what it must be like growing up as non-white person in our society even today, much less 40-50 years ago.
Scott, wish you well in your Army career. May good fortune be your constant companion.
NW sorry you are leaving us, you have contributed interesting perspectives to these blogs. Good luck for the future.

Posted by: amberlight58 at August 6, 2008 10:27 PM

Perth @8.22 pm.
I am an old bloke wanting a job, not obese, peirced of tatted, unfortunately due to a biology blip my nose hair is a bit long but if I brush it sideways it looks like a mo. The hair sprouting out of my ears is a little more difficult to explain as it is the only hair on the top of my head I have thought of sweeping it up and over but I think that would be a bit vain, but to get you to employ me I would consider it. Now what type of job is it you are offering.
Respectfully
OG

Posted by: oldergent at August 6, 2008 10:22 PM

Oh Kaz, I'm shocked! How could you be gainfully employed in a extremely necessary position caring for the elderly. However would you be able to do your duties on a daily basis with 7 holes in your ears with pieces of metal pushed thru. And tatoos, oh no, what would the elderly think, I would bet they would recall in horror when they see you! No no my girl this just won't do. Good on you, bet all the oldies absolutely adore you for being unique!

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 10:14 PM

NW don't go - talk to me and the other nice people here who really like and admire you. You still haven't given your thoughts on how do you fit another person into your life at this age and this time and I would be interested to hear your thoughts. I am sure a lot of other people would also. I love reading your posts, witty, funny, down to earth and sitting at 'your piano' you look splendid. lol

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 10:10 PM

Auntykaz - Mine happen to be all big, especially my back peice, it takes up about 80% of my back

Posted by: metalscott at August 6, 2008 10:08 PM

Posted by: maestrac at August 6, 2008 6:18 PM

I actually had thought it was Jar Jar Binks - esque (or however you spell it) from the star wars films........ was so annoying that it turned many of the prequels to star wars.....

Posted by: spanky668 at August 6, 2008 9:58 PM

NW ......... Funnily enough was just musing to myself not 2 hours ago, wondering how the new "man" was........if he was still as bright as you first thought, and if after the "honeymoon" getting to know him, you found that he was actually a little heavier than first thought, or started to "turn off" at the worst times.......crash as it were.???? you know it is normal to feel like you have to drag them around sometimes, just to get them off the couch. ........ though I Hope he is still the right fit for you and will join you on your new blog, helping getting ideas across clearly, providing information, and seranading you with romantic tunes as you work.........

Posted by: spanky668 at August 6, 2008 9:47 PM

Far our NW are you writing novels? lol

Sorry had to skip over urs tonight.. Too long for me to read....

Posted by: blondeattimes at August 6, 2008 9:43 PM

NW please don't go. Whilst some of us probably don't respond to you the way we should we still value what you have to say. Please don't go; One for all and all for one!

Posted by: tassiedude1 at August 6, 2008 9:37 PM

Well, 7 peircings here and a tattoo as well.
The peircings are all in the ears, 5 in the left and 2 in the right.
The tattoo is on the inside of my right forearm, Yin Yang symbol for "woman".
Just cos l liked it.
It is easily covered up when it needs to be. And it hurt. I personally like tattoos but didn't get mine until this year.................K

Posted by: auntykaz at August 6, 2008 9:36 PM

Waterbymph - I strongly agree on the cuddling up part of your comment,lol

Posted by: metalscott at August 6, 2008 9:15 PM

Part 2
well..bon jour to some of the beautiful people and the silent audience..it HAS been fun at times..but human nature being what it is.. ah well..and final parting replies to..
egernia..thanx for replying to my post re video games..it has caused some intense discussion..and thanx for 'getting' me..and having a laugh.. keep encouraging your sons to knit..sew.. cook..and to think for themselves as i do..whatever it takes for them to become independent and useful house accessories ;) ;)
and Perth..keep keeping the b******* honest with your piercing observations and WIT..i think you're hilarious..(and a great bird)..nice to see you getting some support finally..keep it up guys..well done BB..
JD..keep waving that FLAG until the WINNER comes home.. Willow..as friendly as..TW..don't forget to eat your vegies and remember..chooks at 4.45 ;)
istj...noticed your posts getting through..maybe there is some salvation in me 'spitting the dummy' about inequality in moderator posting..MAYBE there IS hope for me returning one day..who knows..
keep Zen everyone..nah..maybe not..that would be boring.. too much is covered up in cotton wool these days..not just kids....ah well..bye for now...nw.. and a big... MWAH.. MWAH

Posted by: naturalwoman08 at August 6, 2008 9:15 PM

Hi Guys!
no..down guys.. down..(sorry..all this talk of puppies)!! anyway..don't get all excited..i have not taken leave of my non senses and returned.. and God forbid i would give you the satisfaction..hehe..
no.. i have just called in to say a few parting words to the nice people who acknowledged my participation..i would not rest peacefully if i didn't..
JD..Willow and TW..thank you for your sweet comments...made me feel that my contributions to the blog were at least read and enjoyed?? by some gorgeous people....obviously.. 'special' qualities in people are recognised when you 'see' them..hehe..likewise... salute..
as everyone knows it takes time to commit to a blog.. which is fine and fun..joining in is part of that fun..being part of the community..getting the odd nod from a couple of people is lovely but not..connecting with anyone else..that sense of 'community' as Perth said..just wasn't happening for me..it wasn't very encouraging..so OK..you didn't like me..time to graciously exit..
being a caring and giving person..i don't expect anything back in return except at least.. at the most basic level.. acknowledgement of my existence in a conversation..and that wasn't happening..so..end of SOB story ..and rather than be thought of as the pain in the ass bore that's always the last one to leave the party..well
..and to read OG tell me..."WHO would be silly enough to want to talk to ME"....(which nearly sent me into therapy) ;) ;) hehe...OG..that was REALLY NICE... there are LOTS of people who love to talk to me OG..and that i love to listen to..and they are special people..that recognise and enjoy special qualities in others..
so anyway..it is time to move on.. have decided to put my mind.. and time to into creating my own BLOG..full of USELESS snippets of daily rants and empty insights about life and dating in yer 50's..won't THAT be interesting ..(online dating..and stats on how many coffee dates it takes before you finally expire from caffeine poisoning and terminal boredom) justkidding ..what NOT to WEAR or say on your first DATE..(nothing and nothing) in THAT order.. bad parenting..testosterone and kids and video games..cleaning poop off dogs..(becoming an EXPERT) ..!! where to bag that useless bargain..and a d&m lecture on buying useless STUFF you don't REALLY need..and environmental consciousness..(well..SOMEONE has to) hehe)..and the latest cocktail to drink whilst strangling the iron with a rose between your teeth.and swearing until it hurts..soooo satisfying..what the gardener saw..and any other poop that comes to mind..
sorry..long rant..part 2 coming..

Posted by: naturalwoman08 at August 6, 2008 9:14 PM

Perth - Thanks, im actually looking for work atm,lol. Its simple enough to take out peircings, but some people wont budge on the concept of hiring someone with them, or visible tattoos for that matter. Thats why when i go for an interview i have to wear a long sleeve shirt. should see the funny looks i get from people in public when i wear a singlet, or at the beach

Posted by: metalscott at August 6, 2008 9:12 PM

Posted by: patc111960 at August 3, 2008 9:59 PM
Dude I am so so very sorry to hear that you had to go through all that. My heart bleeds for you. I have no consolation other than you are not the only one.
Strength and honour to you my friend.

Posted by: tassiedude1 at August 6, 2008 9:05 PM

The schools that get the best results in Victoria are the selective government schools. I would be annoyed at that if I was paying 40 grand a year to have 2 kids in a private high school too, as one of my friends did. But the fact remains, the private schools get their results by selective entry...they choose kids who they think are going to do well. Government schools can't do that, they have to take all who apply. Frankly I think private schools should be doing a far BETTER job given the money they are raking in from the taxpayer. There was an article in the Age a few months ago about the 10 top private schools in Melbourne...9 of them declared annual profits that were roughly equal to their annual government subsidy. That is our taxes, being handed to these schools, that they bank and declare as profit. I bet they laugh all the way to the bank alright.

Posted by: waterbombe at August 6, 2008 8:52 PM

Put it like this guys - I would employ Scott or anyone like him in my business any day over a similarly qualified but morbidly obese person. Piercings are decoration so far as I am concerned, work ethic and pride is something else.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 8:22 PM

Waternymph I'm glad someone picked that up....oh what a difference a day makes !

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 8:18 PM

Thanks Brilliant, comes across like some snappy bigotted bull terrier at times, always has and suppose always will. I have no idea what her problem is so I just ignore. Go for it Scott if that is what you likes you are not harming anyone and I sincerely hope you enjoy your time in the military.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 8:11 PM

I would hope there is a standard in any school. The kids are all the same, just from parents with different thought processes. What do I mean the person most suitable to fit the position - exactly that. The person who fits the job criteria who can actually do the job. I have pierced ears, one earring in each so how can I tell someone not to have piercings. I think mine look nice and they think theres look nice. So be it, nothing changes the person.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 8:05 PM

Not sure where all this talk of ICE AGE is coming from since the Buzz words of the moment seem to be GLOBAL WARMING. While I agree we do need to go back to every house having a rain tank or 2 as we once did.. and need to stop using fossil fuels when Hybrid cars are the future.
We need the Wool Board to start pushing Wool Batts as insulation again like they did years ago before they sold it all at a loss to China. Each house needs Solar Panels & not just for hot water and our power grid would be better served with more Green Energy .. not Nuclear .. Ive lived in Europe during Chernobyl disaster .. dont tell me how safe nuclear is!!
Now where were we ?? oh yes rekindling love!! One way to keep warm at night and save on electricity I guess!

Posted by: waternymph47 at August 6, 2008 7:54 PM

Saint Jen and Pragmatic Perth, now there is chalk and cheese. I see you don't like Perth's approach, Jen. I'm not surprised. I reckon there are several ways to show aggression. One, which saints seems to dislike, is to openly name what you don't like and be straightforward or even blunt about it. Perth is good at that, so are most blokes, and I for one admire it, if you have to be aggressive. At least you know where it's coming from and what the person thinks about you. In that sense it is honest.

The other form, which you indulge in, is to say publicly that you are feeling a little miffed with a certain "someone", but not name the someone, then make negative comments about "someone" and invite others to criticise them too. All the female bloggers wonder if "someone" is them and anxiously cast around thinking "Could it be me? What have I done/said that I shouldn't have?" ...thus Saint Jen gets a bit of power over many minds...for a short time. In addition, the injured party can't reply, because they're not sure it's them. Saint Jen knows who she is talking about but she doesn't say so, upfront. So the bone of contention never gets discussed and things stay the same. This method of dealing with conflict is equally aggressive but it's less open and less honest. I don't like it. If I disagree with someone, I tell them to their face and I tell them why. I am too blunt at times, especially in writing, but I don't do this "I'm pi**ed off with you but I'm not telling you why" stuff. Yuk.

Btw I'm sure you'll go to heaven, Jen, unless Marcus has his way and has it abolished by Rudd's government.

Posted by: waterbombe at August 6, 2008 7:46 PM

Jen, I actually only had 3 peircings. Both my nipples and a Bull ring.
I found that the nipple rings were more painfull than any other body modification ive had, even more so than a tattoo.

Posted by: metalscott at August 6, 2008 7:28 PM

Scott, your posts are refreshing and give us a young person's perspective. My brothers, a sister and two brothers in law are in the forces. Its been a great career choice for them. I hope it is for you too.

Posted by: willow29 at August 6, 2008 7:03 PM

Junebaby - my older brother probably would have gone through Kapooka at the same time as your son if he has had 2yearsin October. My Brother is In Wadonga at the moment, but is being posted to Darwin shortly

Posted by: metalscott at August 6, 2008 6:27 PM

I've tried to post this twice already since lunch time, maybe 3rd time lucky.The first two have been sent off to float somewhere in cyberspace. Like many other bloggers, I don't understand why, it was not offensive in any form. (this one might be?)
My post, referring to a certain blogger not from these parts, was along the lines of: But your widely-varying maiming/murder of english language and sentence construction (from Alliane to Zimbia) is not only transparently phony... Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 1:58 PM
I work with many many people from non English speaking backgrounds and I find it very insulting and derogatory for this alter ego to try and imitate them. None of the people I work with speak or write as badly as this.

Posted by: maestrac at August 6, 2008 6:18 PM

Oldergent - Its great your grandson is joining the army, i think its a great carrer choice. my family has been in the army for generations, almost all of me relatives and immediate family. They have all loved it and the way of life it has. As for waiting for tatts and peircings, ive already got both. Got my first tatt at 16, now im 21, i have my back mostly covered, my shoulders done, and my forearm. But having said that i wouldnt trade them for the world, nor would i want to wait to have them even though im not accepted by everyone i meet becuase i have tattoos

Posted by: metalscott at August 6, 2008 6:03 PM

Oh Scott ~ Goodness, how many piercings did you have? Am I allowed to ask? You say you have taken out most. Yikes, how many could there have been?
You know I would only wish you well as you embark on this major career choice.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 5:44 PM

Hi Scott ~ I'll check those bands out with my boys. I'm sure they will have them or know of them. Well, one of my boys will, I'm sure.
Marcus and Kaz ~ I recently caught Broderick Smith, Jerome Smith, and Phil Manning at the Yarra Glen Pub. Was fantastic! Great night out for our age group. lol. No actually, would be a great night out for any age group. Good music is good music.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 5:38 PM

Jen - i realise that your not copping out on metal as a genre, but there are alot of different genres under the class of "metal" although Iron maiden are in there i would class them more towards heavy rock. I do like alot of different genres of music, although i dont like alot of other things. I like things that vary from The Berzerker(a melbourne band, Industrial) all the way to James Blunt and Pete Murray. Although i dont like "Grindcore" Or "EMO" and bands that are associated with those genres especially. i think that they promote an un-healthy atmosphere at the best of times. If you are looking for metal bands with a possitive message towards life, i would recomend: Mortification(melbourne) Fearscape(nsw) and a few other bands. You can find alot of possitive metal bands that pklay at the Blackstump Festival.

Posted by: metalscott at August 6, 2008 5:08 PM

Istj54 ~ 2.44 pm. ~ I corrected myself at 8.13 a.m. Of course I believe there are and have always been intelligent women on these blogs. Sorry to read you think the subject matter is boring. Has only been going for 2 days. Is that really very long? I don't think so.

I suppose when I am passionate about something, it reflects. Well, that's me! And you know what? I am proud of me and also proud of my kids. I have seen and experienced a lot. I guess that's all you really have to know.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 5:03 PM

For those who ask - I am to Join the Armed forces, i leave for the army in November. I have already taken out most of my peircings, i havent had shoulder length hair for at least 6months, and as for my tattoos, i have been told by my recruiters that it doesnt matter that i have tattoos because i am apperently an excellent candidate for the position i am filling. i didnt take my peircings out just fore the army though, i have taken them out mainly because of my sporting commitments(rugby union) i find it hard after 6 seasons to keep them intact after every game, without losing some blood, hahaha

Posted by: metalscott at August 6, 2008 4:58 PM

Depends on the child surely, whether they are going to be good students??
My two both went to the local Secondary College, are both in careers of their choice (Nursing and Building) working fulltime.
I cannot ask for more really.
Sure they have both drunk alcohol (oh the shame) lol.
They have both tried drugs. (hanging my head in mortification now). Which of course caused some consternation on my part.
No different to me drinking at their age, or trying pot at the ripe old age of 40.
Those of us who can say honestly that as youngsters they did not touch alcohol or drugs would be few and far between l would think.
BTW, their experimantation of drugs is now over. ...................K

Posted by: auntykaz at August 6, 2008 4:55 PM

Have reread, Troy and maybe the comment "I guess maybe Greg went a bit too far, but no more so than the person in question."was not clear enough for you.

Still have no problem whatsoever with what Greg wrote. And l proofread the last line :-)

Marcus, Brod Smith, what a voice...
I went to a 40th birthday party a few years ago and the entertainment was Brod Smith and his band.... After they finished playing they all mingled with everyone, and stayed for quite some time....one of the more memorable 40th's l have been to.........K

Posted by: auntykaz at August 6, 2008 4:44 PM

istj54 at August 6, 2008 2:44 PM
Well said earlier. Nothingrude is now having a conniption about double ended dildos being used as objects of death rather than pleasure in a video game.
Nice mention about the Gould League last week. I have a couple of their big school issue nature posters in my study and remember them from my days at Healesville State School. My maternal grandparents were great nature lovers and lived on 10 acres of pristine virgin bush out of Packenham that is now Land for Wildlife.
The kids with the good teachers will be OK; it is the pollies we have to watch. Unfortunately, for me, Peter Garret has gone from hero to zero on some environmental issues and now his music has a hollow ring. He did though recently stop a development to protect Cassowary habitat near Mission Beach.
It's time among other things we stopped farming rice in this country (it does well in monsoonal climates like Thailand) and gave the river systems environmental, not just commercial flows. Haha that my cafeinated rant for this arvo.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at August 6, 2008 4:21 PM

I am sure most of you are familiar with the term "a dry drunk".

To me,the lameness in some of the comments here sound like those coming from a "dry drunk" and it is so unnecessary.

An argument can be stimulating.........personal attacks on a person because of their views,personalities,education etc are unnecessary and don't add any value to whatever topic is at hand.

Most of us recognise a personal attack,and most of us say something about it..........but it shouldn't happen in the first place.

.....it's a drag!

Posted by: musicteacher at August 6, 2008 3:49 PM

Posted by: patc111960 at August 5, 2008 9:42 AM
Sorry I haven't got back to you until now.
I know what you're saying. I also have/am in the same boat. Cars broken down, paying too much rent, can't afford the bills etc. Have to draw the line somewhere and I'm just not going back. The grass has turned into a dry harsh dust bowl of reality.

Posted by: tassiedude1 at August 6, 2008 3:48 PM

Woodwine:

Sorry,this was my 3rd attempt at getting through the "Registration Process" and I had to leave in a hurry.........

I was responding to Tassie's statement."people on drugs are often thought of as violent or suicidal.But........."

Posted by: musicteacher at August 6, 2008 3:24 PM

Brilliantblue - 12.33 pm. Read back over months of posts and see who is having goes at who. Guess several of us have had enough.

Of course I agree there are parents and parents, just as there are schools and schools. Just as there are teachers and teachers.Just as there is music and music. Just as there is advertising and advertising. We can go on and on about it. Everything is not black or white. Maybe this just happens to be one of things I care about, and have lots of thoughts about.

Willow ~ I so agree with you about teachers. And certainly believe in our Public School system. There are some absolutely dynamic teachers. Inspiring, dedicated, amazing people. Had a number of years involvement on a School council level. Plus of couse 3 kids going through it at the moment. But still overall, if I had the chance, mine would be in Private School.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 3:14 PM

Posted by: laughsandtalks at August 6, 2008 1:00 PM
Posted by: tassiedude1 at August 6, 2008 1
Marcus …not quite clear on what you are trying to say here…
I suppose it all depend on who you are and how you choose to live your life and …hey…that’s Ok…however, I think this has to do with the moral code that we as a society choose to live by…and that is to say what is acceptable and what is not…partly it is conditioning…It is Ok to do as you choose but not Ok if it affects others…..for instance...for most of us with families, it is important to live by example and isn’t this partly what we have been discussing…the morals and values of our young….and we dare to ask why are they like that…well….I wonder why ?….most come from broken homes.. With angry parents or parent and a lot of the time these same young people see the change, in lifestyle and morals and values of the people they once looked up to …there parents

Posted by: forevernow1 at August 6, 2008 3:14 PM

Well, Troy, to answer your question...I have met said MP poster and, as Junebaby and Brilliantblue have both stated, he is a charming gentleman in person. I have also seen his photo site which has many pictures of his beautiful, young wife. Others would have too, as this site had pictures of them on it too.
I do not like much of what he writes, especially attacks on middle aged women...as I am one too and take them personally since he has met me...but Grego has also said such things too. I strenuously object to Grego's using MP's young wife to batter him with. Attack a person, not their friends, family or partners. It is just not cricket.
ps...you confused Kaz because you did not use a comma in your post. It would have made all the difference.
Jenniferhi, I have to agree with BB, give it a rest please...and there have been highly intelligent women on these blogs since the beginning...not just a recent thing.
Tassiedude, there have been prime-time shows forever that have the one promiscuous guy hwo never seems to get the girl...Mash, Cheers, Frasier to name afew. Note...they never seem to get the girl.
Your posts are starting to make you come across as some sort of latterday blog evangelist with Jenniferhi as your sycophantic acolyte. It's getting a bit boring to be quite honest. I know, I know, I don't have to read it...
I have two children in their twenties and both, I am sure, have watched porn, heard all sorts of music, dabbled in pot and played Video games and seem to be pretty decent, lovely, kind, caring people...so don't worry too much about society. It may never happen...my suggestion to you is to stop watching the news if it distresses you so much and maybe borrow Pollyanna from the video shop.

Posted by: istj54 at August 6, 2008 2:44 PM

metalscott.
Congratulations of your career choice, take my advice and leave off the piercings and Tats, wait till your at least 30 to think of them. As to that abysimal noise you subject yourself to, soon you will be hearing proper music. The wonderful Military Brass Band. Try marching to the metal, you would be exhausted in the first Kilometre, Brass is designed to let you go all day.

Happy to say my grandson has applied to join the defence forces, he has asked me about tats and metal skin studs, I simply said if you think you are not perfect and need that sort of thing done to you, go for it.
He decided that like his old G'dad perfection will do,lol

Having gone to both GPS and public schools, the toughest was the private school, the kids were mentally more obstinant, less likely to be followers, less affected by peer pressure, and up your nose disiplined. The public really were a lot more gentle and inclined to find peer groups to nestle in for mutual advantage, not to say they were soft, but a lot more that would turn out to be "snags" would be fair comment.

Wonder why the 31 thousand Scientists around the world who disagree about climate change are not getting much media time. Tis perhaps that the filthy lucre has more allure. Somebody mentioned that the worlds population would be drastically reduced in the next ice age, by as much as 3/4's, and wondered what would happen to the rest.

My answer is that is then the primal survival instinct would kick in and death would take the weak, the sensitive (mainly men) women will always be sought after for breeding so it would not be as selective for them, ( the Marcus sperm spreading system) and those not equipt by nature to survive. The only reasons as I have said on previous blogs for the problems we are in.
Too much population.
Too wastefull a society
Too much greed.

Twoeyes,
just as well there is a couple of us,lol
(you sure those eyes aren't blue)
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at August 6, 2008 2:08 PM

"On drugs: take drugs away from an addict and see how depressed/violent/desperate they become.
Posted by: musicteacher at August 6, 2008 1:28 PM"

And your point is?

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 1:59 PM

MT - you are so right. Your teacher can make a subject interesting or boring, can make learning worthless or worthwhile. I have always had fantastic teachers. The girls in my family went to public schools and the boys to private schools (don't ask!).

The girls' professions: Scientist, Navy medic/psychologist, pharmacist, pharmacy manager. Boys: Navy cook, Able seaman x 2 and not yet employed (16 years old).

The cost of schooling certainly did not shape our careers. The teachers certainly did.

Posted by: willow29 at August 6, 2008 1:57 PM

Posted by: laughsandtalks at August 6, 2008 1:00 PM
Marcus
You are right I do get on a bit of a rave at times. So I do apologise for perhaps taking the blogs into an area where it's probably not really suited to the whole dating thing. I do make a concerted effort at times to limit these sort of ideas so as not to infringe too much on the general conversation. And it is only out of general concern when I read, hear or listen to some of the things that are going on around that I feel I need to comment.
Cheers Mate

Posted by: tassiedude1 at August 6, 2008 1:42 PM

I'd like to recommend a book called "Musicophilia" by Oliver Sacks......all about the psychological effect of music.

On drugs: take drugs away from an addict and see how depressed/violent/desperate they become.

On Private and Public Schools.

I have taught in both.A lot has to do with whether your child gets a good teacher...one who can inspire,interest etc There are NO guarantees that you will get the best teachers in a Private School even though that is what you are told.It is also very difficult to remove incompetent teachers......scary thought.
R

Posted by: musicteacher at August 6, 2008 1:28 PM

Posted by: waternymph47 at August 6, 2008 12:11 PM

Perhaps it's not as thought provoking and interesting as you think. My profundity is often overlooked as well..........hmmm, pot calling the kettle me thinks, oh well :-)

Troy

Posted by: troyohboy at August 6, 2008 1:22 PM

Posted by: auntykaz at August 5, 2008 8:29 PM

I did indicate it was more about istj's reaction however, am I dyslexic or did you not say greg had gone too far..........perhaps some proof reading would assist in you being more clear kaz.

Troy

Posted by: troyohboy at August 6, 2008 1:18 PM

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 11:58 AM

Woody, you are often obscure, but I did get it.

Troy

Posted by: troyohboy at August 6, 2008 1:13 PM

I don't know what the fuss is about.

Music is music
I love heavy metal and it has not turned me into a monster

Piercings?
I don't care for them but if the person of my dreams had a tattoo and pierced I would have to ask why and it might be a minor turnoff in the beginning, but I would wait to see if some other personality or some unusual behaviour surfaced before I made a a Judgement.

Bad kids ?
There has always been kids off the rails, it's rebellion and anger at the rules in our society.

Sometimes they get over it sometimes they don't.
Drugs,
well, when everyone stops drinking alcohol you might convince me that one drug should be banned and another allowed.

Society is full of hypocritical and contradictory laws and until I see some parity between behaviour and the law I will remain sceptical.

Posted by: queengwinnith at August 6, 2008 1:09 PM

tassiedude1 at August 5, 2008 12:38 AM

Dude. You can really hang a rave on us sometimes; almost Plutonic, and that bit about the grass being greener....
You have reminded me of another muso.
I used to see Broderick Smith of Dingoes fame play live quite a bit and old Brod would sometimes lay a major stoned monologue on us between sets.
I'm not very interested in or worried about cold porn.I see it as part of the overarch of culture in a way. I've seen all sorts of things across the range of experience and sometimes been suprised and amused at the more outlandish things some women have suggested. Should I be offended or amused when a deeply religious, seriously overweight, secondary school teacher asks you to make her a couple of flagellation A frames and shows you her 'riding' crop collection among other things (yes, RSVPer). Amused I think. Can I be morally outraged when I discover a female in an amourous situation with her German Shepherd or her girlfriend or a coke can or whatever. The answer is an emphatic no. Then why should it be supposedly upsetting if other adults see it via media? Generally the question about sex and sex organs that arises for me is why are many humans so peculiarly private and prudish about their parts and sex acts yet so open about others. It strikes me as odd that sportsmen and womens prowess on the field and in the game is admired but anything athletic they may do with their dacks off could be problematic. The real problem for Dude and a lot of others seems to come from some Christian, perhaps Catholic(?) Absolutist moral philosophical position that has sex out of marriage a no no. What really ought to be a no no is the idea that anyone can interfere with your victimless sexual activities or suggest that the only real succesful relationship model is extended 'comitted' monogamy. I agree that some of the stuff shown on TV is tasteless but we pay for clever, professional aware people like you and I to vet these shows with the perspective of developing, young minds carefully considered.
Grego makes the point about the rise of amateur erotica, to use Starryguises non perorative term. Far from being a sign of moral decay and impending societal implosion it is probably a reflection of a much more realistic and down to earth attitude; a demystification of sex and anatomical capability and one that in many ways is matched by an increasing understanding of health, both physical and emotional, and welfare issues to do with sex and relating. The people I see in the erotica nonsense skits I sometimes recieve on my mobile look like you and I so hardly degenerate and if anyone is really exploited by pay-for-it-porn it is the lonely, inadequate men; and who cares about them?
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at August 6, 2008 1:00 PM

Tried to post this last night but it got censored.
GTA 4 the developers of the game have tried to make this new version more realistic as opposed to the cartoon type of graphics used in previous versions. So they want to install a sense of realism.
Now I wonder if you can still walk the streets of the city beating random people to death with a double ended d***o? As you could in the last version.
My 11 year old nephew used to love watching his older brother do that.
What the?????

Posted by: tassiedude1 at August 6, 2008 12:57 PM

Oh come now...even the private school boys have piercings....they just don't wear them to school...come holidays out come the earings and the hairdye!

For job interviews most are sensible enough to know you take out any earing or body jewellery and get a conservative haircut...not that hard!

Posted by: brilliantblue at August 6, 2008 12:43 PM

Both my kids went to private school and are doing well. I have worked and continue to work full time to afford it. There are definitely parents and parents also which plays a huge part. The schools are there to teach many things and parents tend to blame the schools if their kids play up.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 9:06 AM

Totally agree..the schools are there to teach not parent!

I have one son I sent to a private school and the other two to a public.....I would put both schools on an equal standing as far as discipline goes!

I went to both a public and private school in High school...the public was by far the strictest and had the most students rebeling because they were treated as no.s.... the private school was far more relaxed and treated us like individuals and allowed us to have a say in the uniform etc so no just because its a private school does not necessarily mean a more rigid set of rules!

Jenniferhi...what is your problem...everytime I read a post from you, you're having a go at "iaminperth" its not coming across well at all!

Posted by: brilliantblue at August 6, 2008 12:33 PM

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 5, 2008 11:22 PM
Hi Jen.
Very delicate ground you are treading on there Jen. Censorship ideas of music and arts can lead to quite a bit of nastiness.
Some people would say my music is very negative/depressing but does this lead someone to violence or suicide? I don't think music is the definitive decider. Same applies to drug users. People on drugs are often though of as violent or suicidal. But it's the underlying factors behind all this that makes someone react to certain situations or turn to drugs. Whether it was a violent upbringing, genetic tendencies toward depression or just a sense of hopelessness about someones current situation. (There are always exceptions). Some and probably most people like Scott and his mates who seem to be well balanced people can distinguish between the entertainment value compared to the underlying subliminal broadcasted messages.
I think a lot comes back to the idea of desensitization. Once the human brain is subjected to all these "shock" images, sounds and thoughts it becomes reality. What we once thought of as shocking to us is now normal to them. I guess it's just a matter of who can cope with these new adjustments and who cant. My guess, and I hate to be pessimistic, is that it is going to get a lot worse. Governments and people really do wait until it's almost too late to act.
Like I said it's too late for censorship and we need to look at alternatives.
Now unfortunately I don't have any wizz bang answers but at least we are all starting to think about some of the problems at hand. My only hope is that there is some smart cookie out there, or we as a collective, can come up with some sort of solution before it's too late.
Rod xx

Posted by: tassiedude1 at August 6, 2008 12:31 PM

(yes OG is a nice guy.............( abit like myself actually..........................lol)
Posted by: twoeyes at August 6, 2008 9:41 AM )
Will have to take your word on that twoeyes .. unless you want to let us peak at your profile??

Posted by: waternymph47 at August 6, 2008 12:26 PM

And so begins the sisterhood re-establishing the status quo hehe.

Troy

Posted by: troyohboy at August 6, 2008 11:35 AM
LOL Troy .. I'm always amazed at what gets interest and a response in here. Some of my more intellegent thought provoking stuff goes unoticed mostly hehehe back at ya :-)

Posted by: waternymph47 at August 6, 2008 12:11 PM

troyohboy - I was just making a joke, I thought that was obvious.

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 11:58 AM

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 12:16 AM
I know! Desalinization will halt the current. Ice core samples that reflect a very accurate picture of the worlds global climate changes for the last million years or so indicate that the unusually moderate temperatures we have been experiencing for the last ten thousand years is actually a freak occurrence of nature. I can only assume that the reflective retribution of the coming ice age will in fact be equally as sever and unusual.
My witless attempt to Humorfy that was more in line with self preservation. Kinda like telling everyone to build a big boat an start loading two of everything. Hope you understand.
Rod

Posted by: tassiedude1 at August 6, 2008 11:44 AM

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 10:04 AM

The secondry school does tend to make a decision at the interview when the child is older however woody.

I have no issue with anyone expressing themselves in any way so long as it does not impact upon me. Knock yourself out. However there is a price to be paid and, if these self expressive types don't wish to pay it tough luck. They paint and pierce themselves to define who they are and that type generally, as an employer, is not the type I want representing my business. That is the majority view and I make no apologies that I share that view.

Troy

Posted by: troyohboy at August 6, 2008 11:42 AM

Posted by: waternymph47 at August 6, 2008 10:55 AM

And so begins the sisterhood re-establishing the status quo hehe.

Troy

Posted by: troyohboy at August 6, 2008 11:35 AM

"PS. to mine at 9.52am: And if he does pluck up his courage to venture out as himself, you lot give him a fair go, eh?
Just give his puppets heaps when they need it, because that won't hurt him personally.
Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 10:10 AM"

Bill - you don't for a minute think women imitate men on here as well? mmm .......

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 11:27 AM

timewarp @ 10.10am..
"And if he does pluck up his courage to venture out as himself, you lot give him a fair go, eh?"

TW.. why should they? His deceptions are not restricted to these blogs.
Manipulation is the name of his game.
Nothing 'fair' about that, in my opinion.

Posted by: decoratress at August 6, 2008 11:25 AM

I don't think the guys are needed here any more !

Posted by: iaminperth at August 5, 2008 9:11 PM

LOL . Onya perthi, The irony of it was not lost on me !

Posted by: waternymph47 at August 6, 2008 10:55 AM

Posted by: mousaikalliope at August 6, 2008 6:21 AM

Annaliese, thank you for the great post and welcome to blogland.

Your son has a mature and sensible attitude and shows that he has coping strategies in place to deal with life.

My experience with todays teenagers is that they are a very good generation. They have to contend with a lot more than my generation at the same age, but, they have huge capacity to absorb and analyse information.

I dont believe video games etc are detrimental in themselves. There is no subsitute for loving, caring and realistic parents who are open to their children.

Metalscott, I cant say I like modern music. but,hey there wiould be something wrong if an elderly fart like me did like it. My parents hated the Beatles music. Contemporary music expresses the hopes, fears and aspirations of the current generation. It is theirs not ours.

Woody, agree with you that there has to be some discipline. There is a very small minority of young men who are very dangerous. Most probably owing to neglected parenting especially by fathers.
rgds grego

Posted by: grego7 at August 6, 2008 10:44 AM

Thanks Greg and Timewarp earlier. Must away. Look forward to getting back to this tonight. lol.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 10:30 AM

Has anyone heard the expression 'it takes a village to raise a child'
parents, grandparents, teachers, sports teams, friends, friends of friends, etc.

Posted by: egernia at August 6, 2008 10:21 AM

woodnwine at August 6, 2008 10:04 AM: Michael, I loved it! Now that I've had a really good midweek laugh I can zoom back to chasing the dollar. Seeyezall.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 10:20 AM

PS. to mine at 9.52am: And if he does pluck up his courage to venture out as himself, you lot give him a fair go, eh?

Just give his puppets heaps when they need it, because that won't hurt him personally.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 10:10 AM

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 7:51 AM

Jen, you are so cute when you get steamed up.VBG. Luvya.
rgds grego

Posted by: grego7 at August 6, 2008 10:08 AM

"Wonder if that private school who accepted your kids into it were pretty small minded and pathetic in judging people in how they look. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 9:37 AM"

jenniferhi - just smiling at that comment because you have to book your child into most private schools as soon as they're born to ensure they get in. Hard to tell what a child will look like then.

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 10:04 AM

"I would employ whoever was the most suitable to perform the duties irrespective of race creed or style.
Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 9:04 AM"

Ah - but what do you mean by most suitable? Not having a go at you BTW.

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 10:00 AM

exoticorigin at August 6, 2008 8:25 AM: Parky once reminisced about interviewing Peter Sellars on his show.

Peter was terrified about showing himself to the audience without the mask provided by playing some caricatured fictional character.

Parky suggested he use a german accent and that did the trick - no more stage fright.

You have a lot of valuable things to say, sometimes swimming against the stream, and sometimes being at the front of it.

I hope you'll soon be able to hang up the puppets for some of the time, and blog as yourself, Mr Svengali. Especially when you are earnestly saying what you believe about the problems of the world and their solution.

But keep the puppets going for a bit of naughty fun now and then. Especially PrissyPerth.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 9:52 AM

I didnt go to a private school but it was a boy school only and straight out of olde England...

Caps, blazers, sporting blues etc etc....

Cant complain about it I think i got edaficated pretyy good.

Alot has to do with the parents, and how they support the children and take an interest in what the said school is teaching both in the class and out of it
.

Posted by: twoeyes at August 6, 2008 9:45 AM

yes OG is a nice guy.............( abit like myself actually..........................lol)

Posted by: twoeyes at August 6, 2008 9:41 AM

Wonder if that private school who accepted your kids into it were pretty small minded and pathetic in judging people in how they look. Makes you wonder doesn't it? I mean I'll back my bottom dollar there were no radical looks, piercings, heavy make-up, etc. There would be a standard to that School. Disciplines you admired and that's why you chose it. The exact point I am trying to make! We need discipline and structure to make for a better world.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 9:37 AM

exoticorigin at August 6, 2008 8:25 AM : Thanks for confirming your filipina/spanish/english origin. I won't call you brisbaneorigin any more. Promise.

And thanks for your good wishes. I hope your dreams get better and better and morph into reality.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 9:22 AM

timewarp1 at August 5, 2008 10:01 PM
I'm with you timewarp I miss the cuddles and the chats as well. hard to be on my own after so many years of marriage.

Posted by: patc111960 at August 6, 2008 9:12 AM

Hey OG. You truly are as your name suggests an Older Gentleman. Thank you for your kind words. Keep blogging on if that makes you happy, your comments and thoughts are appreciated.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 9:07 AM

Both my kids went to private school and are doing well. I have worked and continue to work full time to afford it. There are definitely parents and parents also which plays a huge part. The schools are there to teach many things and parents tend to blame the schools if their kids play up.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 9:06 AM

I would employ whoever was the most suitable to perform the duties irrespective of race creed or style.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 6, 2008 9:04 AM

A further thought ~ Sorry guys, I can't help myself at the moment.

Tell me which Schools have the best results? Those with excellent structure and of course discipline. How many of us would have our kids in private schools if we could afford it? It's no longer just send your child to the nearest Primary or Secondary School. We shop arround for the best we think can expand and educate our kids. And Schools do play a major part in our children's outlooks and personality forming.

There are definitely Schools and Schools.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 8:49 AM

"Scott, I think you are exactly spot on. Small minded adults judging kids by how they look and the music they listen to is pathetic. You have obviously been able to develop your music tastes and personality within a framework of support for who you are as an individual. I know many kids who have been brought up by parents who want them to behave in a structured way to please themselves and feed their own egos and then they wonder why these same kids rebel. Posted by: iaminperth at August 5, 2008 11:21 PM"

Well said. Everyone is an individual ..... however, this doesn't mean kids don't need guidance, as we did when we were kids.

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 8:41 AM

metalscott, good luck with the army, my older boy is is, he is at Ennogera now. Just finised 6 months in Iraq...the army, while not my choice, has turned out to be very good for him. It suits him, he is a gunner in the aslavs, and does a good job. He joined at 21, and has 2 years up this October. He goes to Afghanistan in 15 months...time for me to get used to it!!!!!

My niece and her husband are also both in, she is in admin, he is a medic who goes to Afghanistan shortly. They are both posted at Darwin.

Looking at these 3 young people, I have to say that the army is great for them. I hope that you find something similar when you join....have a lovely day all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at August 6, 2008 8:38 AM

Posted by: iaminperth at August 5, 2008 11:21 PM

Well said....couldn't agree more!

Posted by: brilliantblue at August 6, 2008 8:28 AM

Hello Timewarp, thank you. I post only once a while if subject nice to discuss, I'm sorry cant show my pics due to special person of mine. I just sneak to view and access the blogs and write. I think my premonition night dreams comes to an end. if you still remember my dreams I, "A" wrote last year. It won't be long I'm outta here. Wish you too, find her.

Posted by: exoticorigin at August 6, 2008 8:25 AM

Oh girls ~ by few intelligent women I said earlier I actually meant heaps of intelligent women. GLAB. Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 8:13 AM

Perth.
from me welcome back, the coin always has to have 2 sides and you are always wrong to the other side and vice versa, some may find you (and me) obnoxious, but hey they are the ones that say everyone has the right to express their opinions. I have often said that everyone wants honesty, untill it rears its ugly head and stares them in the eye. Seen TW burst into prose when he thought you had gone,lol. You didn't do that on purpose did you? One other thing, how did you know that young metalscott was in or going into the armed forces? I didn't see that or as TW likes to point out I have a short attention span (in his not so humble opinion) lol.

Marcus to my mind that post was brilliant.
The people you excluded as not caught up will not occur,look at the money already poured into their society, it in effect has had the result of manufacturing a "cargo cult". There are very genuine and gifted members of that society striving to change the mind set, these are the ones that know that the only way things will change for the permanent better is for the people to help themselves, not rely on hand outs, and forget the world council of indiginous people, all these people have different Governments and ecosystems, cultures to contend with, their only common thread is the different genes injected into their communities over the years.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at August 6, 2008 8:11 AM

Posted by: metalscott at August 5, 2008 10:31 PM

metalscott - I believe there is something on this very topic coming up on Hack this week ... it should make interesting listening. I think they're saying that the music doesn't cause depression but depressed people tend to gravitate towards it .... according to University studies.

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 8:06 AM

"I don't think the guys are needed here any more !
Posted by: iaminperth at August 5, 2008 9:11 PM"

What the???

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 8:02 AM

Tassiedude - you are correct in commenting about violence between teenagers and their parents. I was recently in touch with a woman who had been accosted by her teenage son and had to send him to live with his father as she couldn't control him any longer. Obviously, this made her very unhappy. Where does this anger come from?

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 8:00 AM

I think that all you can do is guide your children and talk to them. The games are there...sure...but when I was a teeanager i was out drinking and flirting with boys at 16.......with my girlfriends, and we had all lied to our parents about where we all were. we used to say we were at each others houses!!!!
Would we have been better if at home on the computer...who knows...teens always do there own thing in each generation. I felt I could never talk to my parents as they were so straight, never understood and always said no...so I lied to get out!!!!

My boys can talk to me about anything...and the older one does...sexual issues, (sometimes I get too mich info...but he talks to me) should he take steroids, as he is into working out....we discussed and he doesn't...thank god...girlfriend issues and he talks to his dad about the guns and shooting (he is the one who is in the army ) I always let them have what ever music they liked, as they have to develope thier own tastes and personalities...in everything...they are not my clones...as much as I want to tell them what to do, they are not kids anymore!!!

And clothing, it is your choice what you buy and wear...same as it is your childs......if you say no don't wear that...what is a teen going to do...wear it of course....Just my thoughts on a cold wednesday...jewels.

Posted by: junebaby57 at August 6, 2008 7:58 AM

"Posted by: woodnwine at August 5, 2008 3:21 PM
You don't have a teenage son so what is your experience in this area apart from what is shown through the media?
Posted by: brilliantblue at August 5, 2008 5:39 PM"

brilliantblue - fair point as indeed I don't have a teenage son but I've had plenty of direct exposure through close friends' sons, neighbours, kids I've met, son's of a woman I dated for quite a while and friends and boyfriends of my stepdaughter, who I raised to the age of 18. I dated a woman for about 6 months and one of her sons was completely obsessed with violent video games to the point where he spent every waking moment of every weekend playing them and I'm not exaggerating. He couldn't be away from his computer for more than 10 minutes .... maybe make that 5 minutes, the time it takes to go to the toilet and he was so badly adjusted he was bordering on depressive. One of my stepdaughter's boyfriends was the boy attacked and hospitalised at schoolies about 3 years ago. Of course I have many other experiences as we all do I'm sure.

Everyone isn't coming down on teenagers here .... they're saying that they have to weather the storm of computers, advertising, TV and the internet flooding them with images of sex, violence, pornography etc and despite this many of them are turning out very well adjusted. Of course there are many that aren't though, and these are the ones causing concern .... raping girls, driving drunk, attacking people in nightclubs, shopping malls or in their own homes. We are saying that all this may be the cause of so much anger in modern society, particularly amongst teenagers. Just look at the number of suicides, particularly teenage boys and ask yourself why.

Posted by: woodnwine at August 6, 2008 7:53 AM

Perth ~ I certainly have no "Small mind."

Oh and one other thing. Judging people by the way they look. Tell me if you had a business dealing with front-line customer service (and I'm probably not talking a music shop, or perhaps a radical clothes shop) I'm talking a shop that has wide ranging age groups coming through the door. Like the majority of businesses.
Would you then employ the person with piercings over their face and visible tattoos, that to a vast majority of your clients could be offensive or would you employ your, shall we say more conservative looking applicant. Think all forms of service, Banks, Retail, even hospitals, whatever.

I know who I would employ if I want my business to have return customers and be successful.

Oh and just re Scott joining the army (and congratulations on that Scott - my son would like to join also but has been rejected on a medical condition. He did many years as a junior cadet though.) Back on track - do you think the army will allow the piercings, or shoulder length hair like lots of young ones have. Of course not! There has to be a standard and a discipline.

Another thought from this "small" mind - your comment about parents wanting their kids to behave in a structured way. What on earth do you think the army is? Structure, structure, structure, discipline, discipline, discipline. It would all fall over if these were not in place.

I actually think it can be the making of a young person. Did wonders for my son.

Jen (off to expand her small mind on maybe another subject. Lol.)

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 6, 2008 7:51 AM

Mousaikalliope 6th aug- well said and welcome to the sand pit. Enjoy your time here and don't get offended by what some people write. Old fart gordon.

Posted by: gordon1951 at August 6, 2008 7:41 AM

Hello everyone, have red your comments every now and then,but it's taken until now to join in.Am hoping this blog is newbie-friendly!
Having worked in the health system (both public and private, for 21 years, there is not much that is violent or depraved that I haven't seen the results of. As a result of that , as my two sons were entering their teenage years(they are now 15 , and a few weeks shy of 18 ) I worried about the video games/computer games they showed a liking for.My eldest son in particular,but he always explained to me (with that particular brand of patience that only12-13yo boys have for their over-protective mothers!) that he never felt like hurting someone in reality, and watching/playing pretend stuff was a way of releasing his anger( at bullies etc),in the safety of his home, without actually hurting anyone. My youngest,still plays pokemon games(!) and both boys like car games but not for the violence some of them portray(ie. grand theft auto), mostly the thing that they like most is the actual driving part and designing their virtual cars(inc. reading all the spec's).
Boy, it sure is easy to pick a subject , run with it and find yourself seriously waffling on here, isn't it?Sorry.
Any way there's my "maiden speech", I feel a bit better now, less nervous! hope to talk to you all soon. P.S Hello Greg!

Posted by: mousaikalliope at August 6, 2008 6:21 AM

tassiedude1 at August 5, 2008 6:56 PM : You're not funning. The loss of the polar ice cap will remove the source of the lower-level current from the north Atlantic down to Africa, and that will snuff out the upper-level gulfstream, causing Europe to ice over. The only question is when? Fifty years? Eighty?

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 12:16 AM

You've got to love the resilience of the bloggers........the blogs go down, and they use the opportunity to respond to posts that fell by the wayside, or they got distracted from at the time....... is great to see..... time management at its best...... hopefully a bit of real time chit chat tomorrow .......... is always good when you can finish the thought in one night (tend to forget my train of thought otherwise - - if there is one to start ; p)...... good night all.

Posted by: spanky668 at August 6, 2008 12:11 AM

exoticorigin at August 5, 2008 4:46 PM : Welcome to here at blog. I see into you profile say your living from Sydney, not Perth no more. I wish posting you welcome for new hello from Brisbane. Sydney travel nearer from Brisbane, eh?. Perth too far with going pension train.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 6, 2008 12:02 AM

Where's Sunriselad lately. Now he was a newbie I'd like to see some new posts from.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 5, 2008 11:44 PM

Perth ~ 9.11p.m. Your away status didn't last long! Hmmm. Guess it hurts to feel it coming to you like you so often do to others. I guess a few intelligent women now posting has trampled your territory a bit. I'm pretty sure the guys will stick around though. Think they like the interesting thoughtful stuff from these clever women.

You know, people get sick and tired of nastiness coming at them.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 5, 2008 11:32 PM

Hi Metalscott - And welcome to the blogs. I know a lot of you like the music and for many obviously like yourself it may not affect you. But please believe I have witnessed what it can do. In the last couple of weeks even. And what I saw was devastating. I won't go into it, but yes it can definitely play a part in those suffering depression.

There really is a lot to be said about "What goes in is what comes out." So to me, lyrics are very important. There is also lots of evidence re subliminal stuff. I use it myself, but of course it's all the self-development and positive affirmation things I use. I believe and hope it makes me a better person.

I'm not totally against it all, believe me. I have even seen Iron Maiden live, a few years back now, but yes I did. But I also see the other side of the culture.

Half asleep here, maybe not being too clear. Actually would like to hear from Tassie re metal music. Him being a music buff and all.

Oh, and actually I shouldn't just single out metal, there's heaps of shall we say 'normal' music that is so damn depressing, it is soul destroying. lol.

Thanks for posting though, is nice to have some young ones on the blogs.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 5, 2008 11:22 PM

Scott, I think you are exactly spot on. Small minded adults judging kids by how they look and the music they listen to is pathetic. You have obviously been able to develop your music tastes and personality within a framework of support for who you are as an individual. I know many kids who have been brought up by parents who want them to behave in a structured way to please themselves and feed their own egos and then they wonder why these same kids rebel. Good on you and I sincerely hope you enjoy your time in the military. You are a shining example of the youth of today.

Posted by: iaminperth at August 5, 2008 11:21 PM

It's possible to forget when you are a comfortably middle class, white* well fed, long life expecting, educated and articulate, computer using blogger how far we've come.
The lights we shine on Australian or social problems are as bright as those that illuminate fundamental and often insoluble issues in many other countries and societies. These bright lights show up things that are issues or cause moral panic for some but in the total scheme are minor and often not even ethical; just matters of taste really (like Jenniferhigh's sexualised kids clothes-hints at an issue that can cause moral discomfort but wtf really? Good taste is subjective; is it's own reward and cannot be forced) Most kids are growing into well adjusted adults.
We have to a large extent (and I think of the major exception being some of the aboriginal poulation) sorted the problems of housing, sanitation, food security, education, employment, law, law enforcement and justice, bigotry sexism and racism and live in a fully functioning, modern highly sophisticated democracy. We have enormous environmental challenges and are yet to face the what I think is the moral question of the age and that is our treatment of other species and their right to life and ecosystem.

*White. In the months I've been here blogging I cannot remember a post from someone I coulidentify as not caucasian or caucasian/arabic.

Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at August 5, 2008 11:19 PM

jenniferhi at August 5, 2008 8:07 AM : Thank you for following Tassie's super post with another beauty. My pennyworth:

No matter what we do or what we are, our kids will listen to their peers in their teens and be tempted to believe them. Unless we've helped them develop a critical faculty before then.

But in their primary school years, if we haven't already alienated ourselves from their respect by unwise behaviour, we have a window of opportunity to input into their values.

It's crucial to be approachable - because you're unjudgemental. To ask them to tell you what other people say, and why they think the other people say that. Do they seem to have a selfish axe to grind?

Most of all, to have no taboo topics. I can remember a few times when my wife referred a child to me to discuss some topic where she felt I had more knowledge and/or experience, or less embarrassment. (She was a bit of a prude.)

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 5, 2008 11:16 PM

iaminperth at August 5, 2008 5:58 AM : Bye bye doll. Enjoy your retirement.

So who's going to talk W.A. foopball with the Pastor now?

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 5, 2008 10:57 PM

guiltypleasure at August 4, 2008 9:02 PM: You are such a good read. Always. Go gal!

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 5, 2008 10:39 PM

Jen - Im 20, most of my teenage years and even now im a big fan of the metal community in perth. I listen to Death metal and it hasnt made me angry in the slightest. My Favorite happens to be Black Metal, which is labeled depressing. I have never been depressed when listening to it. Most of my mates are fans of Heavier music such as Death metal or Black metal, and i would have to say, they are some of the best and most caring humans i have ever met in my life. But also having said that, there are alot of confused teens out there. I think that music doesnt play such a big part in someones mental state, i think its how its labelled by society, and the general public, thats why its a "big" factor in peoples moods and personalities

Posted by: metalscott at August 5, 2008 10:31 PM

naturalwoman08 at August 4, 2008 7:04 PM: Sorry to see you spitting the dummy and taking yourself off in a huff. We'll really miss you.

I'm guessing RSVP really has the blogs to showcase to newbies an impressive sample of the intelligent erudite witty wonderful wacky and marvellous members who are in RSVP already.

So I treat it as street theatre - comedy today, deep and meaningful tomorrow and serious sibling rivalry the next.

And I believe I know why people get away with some quite objectionable stuff, but those who then deplore their outbursts are often edited.

I reckon Fonzie has the answer - if the response is cool, it gets through, and if it's uncool, that's classified as boring parent behaviour, and not cool enough for ultra-cool RSVP.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 5, 2008 10:28 PM

"I miss coming home to a cuddle and a chat...anyone else feel the same?..." Posted by: joyfuldelite at August 4, 2008 7:02 PM.

OH yesss! That's a main reason that I'm here. And whoever gets home first, starts peeling the veges.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 5, 2008 10:01 PM

waterbombe at August 4, 2008 6:25 PM : Well I thought it was funny and kinda sweet. Ta.

Posted by: timewarp1 at August 5, 2008 9:53 PM

MT - I agree! Jen x

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 5, 2008 10:12 AM
Actually MT - I admire you heaps. I feel I would like to say so much more about a certain person, but is just not me to do that. You at least have done it a couple of times now in a clever and succinct way. Good for you! I hope at least you stay and post. You are fun, caring, interesting. And who is the one now seeing someone? Not someone else, that's for sure.

Jen x

Posted by: jenniferhi at August 5, 2008 10:24 AM
Go MT.....you have become a heroine to many of us on this blog...oops, did I say that, how naughty of me....

Posted by: joyfuldelite at August 5, 2008 10:52 AM

I don't think the guys are needed here any more !

Posted by: iaminperth at August 5, 2008 9:11 PM

Tassie....good to hear things are going well for you.

On kids and violence...........
all of those who are parents understand the pain we feel for our children when they come home from school in tears due to bullying.

There are not many things that my x-husband and I agree upon,however,we believe that our boys should know how to defend themselves if hit/punched or the like first.
They have also learned to warn the bully/ask them to stop.If not.......well,give it all you've got so that he doesn't try it again.

I have also been taking them to Capoeiro....trying to teach them how to avoid being hit....through movement.