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ichthyology at June 22, 2008 8:16 PM: watch out mate or you could end up like my uncle, recently bereaved, hooked up with a young lady who he believed 'worshipped and adored' him, and he ended up with no partner and a csa claim at the time of life he shouldve been enjoying his grandchildren. 'A fool and his money ......?'

Did you ever read the novel 'Short History of tractors in Ukranian?' If not I reccomend it.

Posted by: mandible60 at June 23, 2008 8:04 AM

Quote 'I would not worry too much about age if there was mutual attraction.' Virgil youre spot on there. They make you put an age range on here along with forcing you to make all kinds of other pre-selection, all totally understandble from a profiling point of view but if you think back to an age before computer dating, weve probably all had relationships outside those parramaters we are now specifying -- age, weight, political belieffs etc.. I have for one. Shame that internet dating removes the spontaniety and therefore I think a lot of the chances of what you might call the 'lightning strikes' chemistry. Too clinical you could say.

Quote: 'Dunno about dazzling em' with anatomy but I do know where to find the clitoris.' Me too but I get the impression that is about as much use to him as it would be to me, lol!!! If he keeps on digging he will dissapear into that huge hole although have to say that the digging is great entertainment value.

Posted by: mandible60 at June 23, 2008 7:03 AM

If I was looking at a womans Photo's, wondering whether to send a kiss, I dont think I would want to see their animals, their model trains etc, just them.

I would like to see 4 or 5 different photo's in different sorts of poses.

I think that some photos would appeal to some and not others.

My ideal partner age would be 2 years younger than me, although target range would be between 7 years younger to 5 years older.

I would not worry too much about age if there was mutual attraction.

I could have missed out on an excellent realtionship that lasted a long time if I was really concerned with age, as this person was much younger than my target range.

Posted by: virgil at June 22, 2008 11:40 PM

laughsandtalks at June 22, 2008 7:10 PM

Marcus, my hearty and profuse congratulations on your ability to locate that oft elusive part of the female anatomy. Sadly, being able to find it is no guarantee you'll have any clue as to what to do with it... a bit like a dog chasing a car!!!

On a slight tangent, my first dog was called Marcus - a much loved mongrel in my family. Any corollary is purely coincidental!!

Posted by: victoriadownunder at June 22, 2008 11:38 PM

Stu at 9.40pm: I'd say use 2 very different cars as props for 2 of your pics - both tele shots of enough of the top half of the closed driver's door to identify the car to car perves, with the open window framing your head looking out at camera.

High angle tripod shots, to see 2 or 3 shirt buttons in profile - maybe hide very top of head behind top of window if necessary.

Possibly broomstick remote fill in flash, to light your shaded face. Different clothes - good suit for Jag, Car-brand fan's jacket for muscle car, with visible shoulder patch.

Naughty FangBoy/Boy Racer smirk in muscle car, and informal/pre-haircut hairstyle.

Jag photo straight after haircut, and more-controlled hairstyle., and using your with-it, businesslike Mr Successful face.

So you'll be showing both of what women seem to want - money, security and status, but with someone who's still got a bit of uncontrollable Mad Max zap about him.

What do you say, friends?

PS: Thanks Carina for coming back on shift, so we could see something tonight. I came back from tennis full of beans, and so nice to have the blog alive again, to avoid anti-climax.

Posted by: timewarp1 at June 22, 2008 11:31 PM

Hi Virgil

It is not so much that I am uncomfortable, just that I have chosen to live in this life rather than miss it.

Partially that started when my Mum died at 59 of cancer after being sick for three weeks.

Also I am not going to toss my wonderful life on the hope of finding someone. I am not anywhere near that needy or lonely!

Also guess which side of the camera I am usually on! I have lots of photos of the projects and friends helping but few of me. I am looking to get some more soon. I don't know,

What do you Guys and girls think, should I put a photo of any of the projects? My renovated 1910 Train Carriage? The Californian Bungalow I moves and am Renovating? or the cars? I thought they would be a bit tacky or showing off or both?

Posted by: creativestuart at June 22, 2008 9:40 PM

good4laugh 8:12pm yeah the sandpit can get a bit scary.....on a general note, what happened to the Cancerian birthday blog bash.....having a vested interest in it, I just thought I would ask.....but in the interests of non-discrimination has it been renamed/redefined...is this how the equality posts started????

Posted by: spanky668 at June 22, 2008 9:33 PM

Quoting

As your stated profession is in the photograhy graphic design area, maybe you can get some of your professional mates to take some different photo's, portraying a younger leaner harder look to them.

Posted by: virgil at June 22, 2008 8:53 PM

It does not work --trust me - all a leaner harder look does is make the women feel more insecure than they already are about their bodies.

Posted by: yaahmulegiddyup at June 22, 2008 9:28 PM

ichthyology at June 22, 2008 8:16 PM . ROFLMAO... how conceited. You will look so funny pushing the pram in front of your scooter. What you describe is a very needy woman, they can get very tiresome. We all have a different idea as to what is younger. I have sons, don't want any more. The rest of your post I will ignore cause u r talking out of your ego.

Posted by: eastofcbd at June 22, 2008 9:06 PM

Well said Mick!!! (good4laugh at June 22, 2008 8:12 PM )

A bit of humility would go a long way here, for some more than others. Personally, I think it's the diversity of opinions on the blogs that makes it interesting but maybe that's because I'm sufficiently self confident that an opposing thought isn't threatening to me.

Kaz, I agree with the glass of wine theory - cheers!!!

Posted by: victoriadownunder at June 22, 2008 9:02 PM

Stuart

"Surely we are only making very uninformed decisions if we dismiss someone in one coffee."

I think the dismissing part happens within about 90 seconds of the coffee meeting, not the hour or two of the total.

You are not comfortable with the pace of modern society, there are places you might feel more comfortable, one of these would be Bridgetown WA, where life moves at a slower pace, the down side of that is there are probably less single women about.

No doubt there are towns like that in Victoria.

I would have thought that if you are really keen to find a woman, that you might consider a move to Melbourne.

Its been a while since I used my search facility, but when I did, I set the search parameters at within 10 ks of my suburb.

I think you might have more success where you are if you change your photo's, to me, they portray a nice easy going comfortable sort of bloke, one that might attract a nice comfortable middle aged woman say mid to late 40's.

I think to attract a woman in your target age range, you need photo's that reflect your stated philosophy of work hard & play hard.

As your stated profession is in the photograhy graphic design area, maybe you can get some of your professional mates to take some different photo's, portraying a younger leaner harder look to them.

Posted by: virgil at June 22, 2008 8:53 PM

thelynthdiaries.yes i got you pegged long ago and you are not alone..........I ran when the last woman actually ended up in the kitchen on her hands and knees cleaning the corners !!

I have seen this behaviour before and it is like the imaginery lint picking of the coat and the straightening of the coat along with other tell tale signs which I now recognize as a master of body language.

Mind you , this skill has only become a skill since dating.

Posted by: ichthyology at June 22, 2008 8:29 PM

Honey chile....go play nasties somewhere else.Nobody will miss you.

Posted by: kurli at June 22, 2008 4:45 PM

"Tsk tsk"

Posted by: eatsrootsandleaves at June 22, 2008 8:25 PM

eastofCBD........you see ma'am we are all alike.
I prefer women younger than me becasue women the same age seem like my mother.
Are too old stayed etc.
the difference is my dear is that you will be dumped or justa number by the young guy, whereas i will be adored , and worshipped, becasue quite a lot of young women need the older man to steady their lives and provide them with the life style they want,wnat can an old girl give a young guy ?Once you get past the exploring bit the old girl isheading for a big fall and old age as a spinster surviving on memories.

Posted by: ichthyology at June 22, 2008 8:16 PM

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 22, 2008 7:10 PM
"...make them superb power athletes (think say 100 metre sprint this Olympics)...."

I was under the impression that, when the slave traders went 'hunting' for slaves, the picked the biggest and strongest, as obviously, they are capable of more work. These genetic differences that you are talking about, are they localised to African-Americans or are these same genetic differences evident in the general African population?

As a general note -
Seems like there are a number of people on this forum with over inflated opinions of themselves, It kinda explains why they're still single.
Why not show some humility and treat every conversation as an opportunity to learn and broaden your knowledge, rather than trying to shout down whoever disagrees with you.

Time for my bath, Cheers

Mick

Posted by: good4laugh at June 22, 2008 8:12 PM

eastofcbd, another one....all things in moderation, including the glass of wine.

Stu, l guess it shows that everyone is so very different in their levels of confidence and approach.
Marcus, give it up already with the science stuff, how boring do you really want to be???You are never going to get any sort of agreeance and are banging the same drum in every topic!!!...............K

Posted by: auntykaz at June 22, 2008 7:47 PM

Wine makes a lot of things easier, but remember, loose lips sink ships.. don't know why I put that in but it sounds good.
Bit of Goss... what is is with Openup and Openup2 seem like a "player" or a woman scorned.

Posted by: eastofcbd at June 22, 2008 7:16 PM

Actually Kaz, I find the meeting much easier than the first emails....

It is the chat in those that can be the most difficult for me.

Posted by: creativestuart at June 22, 2008 7:14 PM

waterbombe at June 22, 2008 5:58 PM

Beetle dear. Dunno about dazzling em' with anatomy but I do know where to find the clitoris.
I don't have a tertiary qualification so would be lying if I said I did. The 'some college' does not ring true either.
Coldtoast- There are significant anatomical differences between various human races as well as between sexes, and some of them include things to do with melanin which is the skin pigment. Blacks suffer less from melanoma for example. Africans from the west coast where the American slaves came from (african americans, ie the now not pc 'negro') have small but quite significant differences in their muscles and skeletons that make them superb power athletes (think say 100 metre sprint this Olympics) but less suited to endurance. This is also fact and based on genetic difference. There are many other similar examples across human kind.
You would be better served in these sorts of debates by bothering to inform yourself rather than spouting what seems like femmo dogma; it generally has nothing to useful say about real science.

Chris. I believe when uttered 50 odd years ago that quote was meant to be taken literally. There has been some slippage since..
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 22, 2008 7:10 PM

Every day M, every day.

Posted by: woodnwine at June 22, 2008 7:07 PM

Kaz I certainly find it is a lot easier after a couple of meetings... if you are ever given that oportunity!

Surely we are only making very uninformed decisions if we dismiss someone in one coffee.

I feel there is too much rush in so many aspects of this world.

Unfortunately I have found this rush leads to missinterpretation or missunderstanding
and this is not gender based at all.

Things like 7 day shopping, gross consumerisim etc have led to a breakdown in human relations.

Indeed it is one of the reasons I chose to come out here.

It is lovely being recognised in the stores, saying hello to the people you live near.

I went to the NRL last night and on the way home was merging with some other traffic. I had a girl completely determined not to let me do that, push me out of the way, give horrible hand signals and in general act in such a horrible manner. I am glad I don't live in that world and deal with that every day!

Posted by: creativestuart at June 22, 2008 7:02 PM

femaleessence at June 22, 2008 5:51 PM: so true but some people just dont want to listen, maybe there lives are lived out on these blogs and any attention is better than no attention.

Posted by: mandible60 at June 22, 2008 6:55 PM

Stu and eastofcbd, the small talk is probably the most difficult thing to do at first meet yes ??
That is why l prefer to chat via telephone or even email a few times to get more at ease not only with the other person but with myself.
Generally l am considered outgoing and easy to get along with, but probably after a few meetings, (or a glass of wine).
Does it get any easier ????..............K

Posted by: auntykaz at June 22, 2008 6:28 PM

Timewarp, sorry things didn't work out this time.

Marcus. re: your Simone quote "One is not born a woman but rather becomes one" surely that is not to be taken literally. Isn't the idea that people of either sex become what they become by gender assignation usually via stereotypical socialisation.
Isn't she saying a woman is not born unequal to a man but becomes so through her assigned role of subordinate weaker
helper?

Ichthyology...I haven't stopped laughing..(guiltily.)...so very true.....

Posted by: thelynathdiary at June 22, 2008 6:20 PM

... and what is with the picture illustrating this section? he could be Mr Right for me but I dont think many ladies would be too interested, lol. Looks like someone I met at Pride last year, hehehe!

Posted by: mandible60 at June 22, 2008 6:10 PM

Stu and fishyicthy and the others...you always feel as if the other gender has all the cards, whether you are a man or a woman, if you really like them and they are undecided. It's just a fact that if you like someone more than they like you, they have more cards. Unfortunately. But I think you know when you have hit the jackpot, it's when the other person is as keen as you, and they are KEEN.

Posted by: waterbombe at June 22, 2008 6:06 PM

Marcus, your so called facts are absolute tosh........and I wont even give you the respect of further conversation with you about it (although happy to debate with anyone else).

Do you not realise Marcus, they had so called scientific proof that peoples skin colour made them unable to be anything but low grade labour.................that so called scientific evidence is now known to be complete tosh as is your so called scientific evidence.

Its disgusting, its vile and people like you..........well I have stepped in better and I wont communicate further.

I would love to have the opportunity to prove I am physically as equal to you, by slugging you one actually.

(Amanda is clearly very mad at this sexism)

Posted by: amandaongoldcoast at June 22, 2008 6:04 PM

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 22, 2008 5:29 PM: Ignore the undeleted last line in mine of 5.16
...... what a good idea, and all the rest as well.

Yes the pay is certainly lousy in nursing but we dont do it for the money. That is how governements can get away without paying us properly -- they take advantage of the fact that the people who are in the job, love it.

Posted by: mandible60 at June 22, 2008 6:04 PM

Stuart we live in a silly world with no rules. Yes all you can do is ask, but at the end of the day both parties have to be interested. If you ask and get a knockback then she is not interested, if you don't ask then I assume you are not interested.
Maybe the best thing to do is just have sex, then talk to each other, it would cut out talking about the weather and who has won the footy, cause I couldn't give a rats about either.
It doersn"t change as you get older Stuart, same old same old.

Posted by: eastofcbd at June 22, 2008 6:01 PM

Sperms_R_Us, what a modest man you are, hiding your light under a bushel. If you have tertiary honors level passes in physiology and anatomy, why do you have your education level on your profile listed as high school? Are you going to pop out from beind your bushel at a certain crucial stage and dazzle your new partner with your knowledge of anatomy?

Posted by: waterbombe at June 22, 2008 5:58 PM

Amanda you stated in your profile that you would find it physically repulsive for anyone over 40 to contact you. I can understand you having an age frame but to be repulsed is a pretty strong word and also you state a 26 years old, surely that would be still a baby. I find it pretty funny for a woman who is so incredibly successful to want to cart a 26 year old around with her. Sure, they are probably gorgeous but would that mean you would be paying for him.

Posted by: iaminperth at June 22, 2008 5:58 PM

Been reading these blog contributions for quite some time now. I have read accusations of 'fake' profiles ( & by recipients themselves who se photo/profile are also hidden); women making abusive comments about men; women making abusive comments about women; men "making abusive comments about women; accusations about peoples integrity, accusations ( without proof ) of email stalking outside the blogs; the list goes on adinfinitum.

Not only is this type of communication petty, it is disrespectful to the rights of any individual in being able to state there opinions without ridicule or personal condemnation, whether they have a hidden profile or not.

Reminds me of a quote by Dale Carnegie.

"Any fool can criticize,condemn and complain..and most fools do"

Posted by: femaleessence at June 22, 2008 5:51 PM

May I also hold up my wonderful mother as another example of both strength and science.

My mother is an undertaker, for those who dont know, not only do they pretty the bodies up etc ready for viewing they also go out and lift bodies and the term dead weight is used for a reason as a phrase.

One weekend in every four, she is on call and has to go out if called upon from various things from suicides, dead on the scenes and old peoples homes........often lifting very large bodies etc.

She never has been shy, looked to a man to help the little woman out or anything of the sort. She is a strong fit woman and I have to say, if it came down to who I would back in a fight between mum or dad, it would be mum (and no she i snt butch, she is a beautiful feminine slim woman).

There is a lot of lifting in the job and she pulls her weight as equally as any of the men and none of the men think she is any weaker physically than they are.

Posted by: amandaongoldcoast at June 22, 2008 5:50 PM

Why do some of the ladies here feel they need to justify their existence to Marcus. Why do people feel the need to personally justify themselves. I think a lot of people male and female haven't entered the world of science simply because the pay is lousy and yes, before you all shout, money is not everything, it does have a huge impact of quality of life. Unfortunately we are a consumer driven society nowadays and the almightly dollar is supreme. Sad but true and will be to our detriment one day. Also males not entering the teaching profession, how do you support your family, nursing profession, my brother is a triple certificate, again lousy pay. It's a huge shame as I believe we need a balance, but money is the driver in a lot of instances.

Posted by: iaminperth at June 22, 2008 5:47 PM

amandaoncoldtoast at June 22, 2008 4:59 PM
You rely on science in almost every aspect of your life- just think about the scientific horsepower that has allowed something as mundane as turning on a tap and getting hot, microbe free water to come out under pressure let alone listening to a CD or flying.

Why display your ignorance and immaturity along with a good dose of misandry by saying you are a proud nerd when you can easily become more informed?
The information about sex differences I mentioned are not tosh they are thoroughly researched scientific facts.
Cheers Marcus

Ignore the undeleted last line in mine of 5.16

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 22, 2008 5:29 PM

A little few observations...
The presidency of the united states is the pinacle of success only if your interest lies in power. If it is "do no harm" then the current one would be a dismal failure. It is all in the definitions. I would actually put a lot of the benovelent entertainers fairly high, people like Bono or geldof, who use their influence to try and cange the world, make it a better place for the less fortunate.

In the very beginning of relationships the women do indeed have all the power, the men can only ask, present themselves in the best light and the women have the right to make the judgements and act as they wish, choose wether they will accept the invitations and choose to continue or not.

Certainly that is how it is upto 40, maybe that changes as we get older..

I do no what you mean about small talk eastofcbd I am particularly bad at the superficial game of initial courting and have found on more than one occasion my straight out openness and honesty missinterpreted as being needy, pushy or in a rush! Hell in this blog I am told I need to learn to play this game, to change if you like.

And I hope when I get some more photos finally I can garner some more sucess because even with all the lovely things the ladies have said here I still find myself having spent the weekend alone again.... Then people wonder why I have so many projects,,,,

Goodluck all, this silly process has become very difficult in this "modern" wold!

Posted by: creativestuart at June 22, 2008 5:21 PM

We could also almost add Barry Humphries to the list of cerebral o's Aussies. Tim Flannery is another and then scientists like Gus Nossal.

think it is me, that OG is getting you confused with Kaz.

Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 22, 2008 5:16 PM

Waterbombe, I'm a science nerd and damn proud of it too.............and yes, annoying that some women may listen to this tosh and then stumble away wittering how they should take the responsibility of the home and family and how the man should do those types of jobs.................

That same passive behaviour happened through all struggles in all societies for all 'isms' through people spouting this kind of claptrap like Marcus has.

I cant cook particularly well, I am not particularly tidy, I have no desire to nurture or all of that stuff......................but I always go for guys who are very caring and nurturing but equally very strong and manly (whcih yes causes conflicts as I have always found, but its their problem not mine if they want to create conflict for power in a relationship..........as I have the right to equality and wont change).

Posted by: amandaongoldcoast at June 22, 2008 4:59 PM

eastofcbd at June 22, 2008 1:13 PM

Not generalising at all. I was making a specific point about the fact that there are many anatomical and physiological differences between the sexes. (and btw WB I have tertiary honors level passes in physiology and anatomy). I did not include the list of dozens of specific non reproductive system anatomical differences because it was too technical for a general post.

I was NOT saying that women cannot do certain things as you seem to be suggesting.

My key point was about Ideological Feminism and it's fellow traveller post modernism being anti truth and rationality (like Creation Science which thankfully is a non issue here), but presented as a reasonable alternative to scientific examination. See my earlier post mentioning 'sexed equations' and rigid bodies.

MyersBriggs54 June 22, 2008 9:06 AM PM....yeah btt...we live longer...

And break down more often too.

Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 22, 2008 4:55 PM

When one borrows a sentence one usually acknowledges it. It didn't irritate me, do I irritate you cause I used googled to find the same quote as you. oooooohhhh another big word succinct. What about superdooperpooperscooper, that is one of my favourites.
You used a similiar line (whats your point) when you replied to me last time... makes me think you don't know what else to say.

Now I know who you are... you are an RSVP intruder sent to stir up the masses...the peasants are not revolting enough.

Posted by: eastofcbd at June 22, 2008 4:54 PM

Eatsrootsandleaves. Oh gosh yes I know how difficult it will be to get equality and I mean true equality and that isnt because of the men and you were on the money when you said the fighting between women themsevles.

As I have hinted at earlier, most women I still think think its their right to decide if they stay home and raise the kids and be a home maker..........................in fact this isnt equality and those women who think it is are wrong.....this is I guess what people refer to as equal opportunities, which isnt what I want and isnt what anyone should want.

My desire is half of home makers and stay home parents to be men. My desire is that the court systems gets rid of its sexist attitude toward men as parents adn awards equal custody etc, women should have the same pressures as men to work, bring money into the home and no more or no less........and yes I think they should dig holes as womens bodies have changed hugely just in the past few decades alone..........women are capable of the physical that men are too (obviously a very weak woman wouldnt, but nor would a very weak man).

Oh and just one more point to note.................not only do I work in an engineering/physics environment, I am also second in command for Asia Pacific for a large global company. I have 58 year old men who want to learn from me about my methods. I never have any trouble talking to men about the newest technology for extracting oil + gas, I have no problem talking about tools, discussing plans and production schedules and plans with engineers..............and yes I am one of very few women who do my job, yet I maintain a very feminine image, but equally..........the only reason there arent many women is number one, that women themselves see it as mans work (as women are equally sexist I have to be honest in the main..............but then if we flipped to the other subject, I am sure you would find the same in the other isms, those that wanted to take the passive approach of acceptance)................equally, lots of men running around saying its not in womens genetics to be technical, lateral thinkers, aggressive (good lord, women far outweight men in aggression I can say that for sure and doubt many would disagree if they have ever been one or on the receiving end of one)..................

As a physics/engineering orientated person who is very successful, travelled the globe with my work and a female who earns mroe than any man I have met in Australia so far by a long stretch.............I think Marcus, you are just spouting sexist propoganda of the same ilk people did about other peopel who wanted equality (useless waffling about genetics that dont exist).

Posted by: amandaongoldcoast at June 22, 2008 4:51 PM

ERAL@9.21pm June 21

Honey chile....go play nasties somewhere else.Nobody will miss you.

Posted by: kurli at June 22, 2008 4:45 PM

eastofcbd at June 22, 2008 1:13 PM

Yes. I know all that about women.
What is your point?
Are you irritated because I borrowed a succinct sentence?

Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 22, 2008 4:32 PM

Virgil you forgot Clive James. He also revels in being a 'lovable Aussie Larikin' but lives in the UK and has done for years I believe.

Regarding Marcus, pardon the amateur psychlogy but why not just do what parents are told to do with a kid who has tantrums? -- ignore him and he will take his toy throwing elsewhere. The more you respond the more outrageous he will get because he is an attention seeker. Obviously he isnt getting much attention anywhere else.

There are plenty of corrupt women in public life, eatrootsetc -- mores the pity. As for USA, well, what about Oz?My money is on Maxine Mckew for PM, well, why not? The top of politics is all about public image, not policy and hers is as good as any.

Posted by: mandible60 at June 22, 2008 4:30 PM

Why is the Presidency of the United States the absolute pinacle of success, male or female.
I sense hostility here Mr Wombat, oops eatsrootsanleaves. Was it the way your mother spoke to you when u were a baby, did your 1st grade teacher reject your offer of an apple. I wouldn't even use you for practice.

ichthyology at June 22, 2008 12:39 PM . I am not sure i agree with you about the girls holding all the cards. It is just as hard for us gals as u guys to find a partner. I would be more than happy for you to pay for me if we went out. You can live like a pig in your house if you choose just cause I would choose not too. Hygiene should be the reason for scrubbing your kitchen not the imminent arrival of you love goddess.
I think your comment of it is all too hard is very accurate. Maybe that is why our relationships are destroyed before they start.
As for me nothing I would love more than to have a permanent partner, quite frankly I am sick of kissing toads and making small talk.

Posted by: eastofcbd at June 22, 2008 4:25 PM

Imao - the suffragettes still have a way to go. Mainly, they still can't get a woman into the Presidency of the USA !

It'll take a lot more than GG's 'steel capped boots, and on the pill ( anti-barefoot, and pregnant)' attitude, to force that meatball over the line.

When that milestone, has finally been marked off, we shall truly be able to say "we have equality/we are equal".
That should have been a global-fem campaign, and as usual the disunity amongst women, dropped the ball.

That said, i do however believe, that all politicians, of either gender, are already equally corrupt/able.

Watch out for that last step ladies- its a doosy.

Posted by: eatsrootsandleaves at June 22, 2008 1:22 PM

laughsandtalks at June 21, 2008 7:41 PM. Marcus you really are a sexist pratt. I really don�t know how you can generalise so much. I am a Landscape Gardener (yes I work the tools) and have been for about 15 years. I can draw and read plans, lordy I can even use the software on my puter to do it, read a map the right way up AND back a car using the side mirrors. I can work from dawn to dusk if I need to and outwork any man I have had working for me. Most men get the sighing I want to go home noises going about 4pm� I work til I get the job done. The only thing I lack is upper body strength sometimes but I can use a machine or get a man to do the unskilled stuff. I like many single women I know, fix things, maintain their houses, don�t faint but their cars as well. We have had to learn all this to survive alone.
AND Marcus, I am a bloody good cook, can sew, knit, do way more than 2 things at once and have had babies. All this and still gorgeous and sexy.
The times have changed Marcus, men AND women can be anything they want to be these days. People like you will always stereotype, and yes digging ditches is still a mans job, I am too smart to get dirty, anyway if I really want a hole dug I will hire a machine. The mines prefer women to drive the big trucks cause they are more gentle on the gears. Men can be nurses, the realestate agent near me has a male receptionist, a lot of fashion designers are men (and not gay cause that is another issue), men are merchandisers, women are electricians, mechanics and plumbers.
Unfortunately as long as women are the child bearers and primary homemaker they will always fall in and out of the workforce, making it difficult to maintain a continuity of employment thus reaching the top of their field. Even this has its exceptions, lots of men are the stay at home dads or they work part-time to care for their children. Wonder what Quentin Bryce or Dr Fiona Woods husband would say to you.
A question for the men out there. Why is that you have to be older than me to date me? I actually prefer younger men, I find (most) men my age and older are too staid and inflexible in their outlook on life.
Marcus I have even said what I want to without plagerisim. Get over yourself.
Feminists, religious apologists (including "creation scientists"), counterculturalists, neo-conservatives, and a host of other curious fellow-travelers have claimed to find crucial grist for their mills in, for instance, the avowed incommensurability and underdetermination of scientific theories. The displacement of the idea that facts and evidence matter by the idea that everything boils down to subjective interests and perspectives is...the most prominent and pernicious manifestation of anti-intellectualism in our time.

Larry Laudan
--Science and Relativism

Posted by: eastofcbd at June 22, 2008 1:13 PM

Oh and one more thing, Sperms-R-Us, (while I take a short break from writing my Humanities and Science: A Love Affair? book), you said "The sort of crap being spouted in that post comes straight out of 70's Womyns Studies Humanities". I didn't realise you'd studied that! Well done! It certainly doesn't show, you modest thing! I never have done a Women's Studies course but I'd just LOVE to know what you learned? ....hmmm...there's a silence....what can it mean.... Don't tell me you didn't do Womyns Studies Humanities in the 70's ? No? Well then, how do you know what was in the course?

Now I'll wait for it..."Waterbeetle, I have always known everything so I never needed to learn anything and that's saved me all the time and effort that you lesser mortals have gone to". Knowing everything must be such a relief, Marcus, I can see why you stick with that attitude.

Posted by: waterbombe at June 22, 2008 12:46 PM

I think finding Mrs Right is harder than finding MR Right because the girls really do hold all the cards.
From my own observations, I really don’t think any of the older brigade are really seriously looking for a Mr Right to live in with.
The thought terrifies them,just as it does for a lot of men in the older age group.
It is often a case of meeting Ms Right and then running from fear and entrapment.

My God !! I will have to start seeing this woman on a regular basis,she will start paying for stuff and wanting me to spend weekends with her and will want to spend weekends with me.
That means I can’t be a grub and chill out and not shave four 4 days and live like a pig for half week.I can’t sit in front of the telly bludging away watching the racing and having a few bets on the tab.
She will want to clean the kitchen,and that raises a point, I will have to make sure the kitchen is spotless before she pays a visit,and I will have to make the bed and change the sheets and clean the bathroom and act like I am a lean clean green machine.

It all sounds like to just too much hard work, maybe I should just destroy every relationship I start so that this never happens and then I become Mr Wrong.

Posted by: ichthyology at June 22, 2008 12:39 PM

SSSHHH

Are you sure that females who needed a male guarantor is an issue of sexual equality?

Surely it might have something to do with the ability to service the loan, therefore a male with an chequered work history might neeed a woman with a good work history to be his guarantor?

It seems normal that if a couple went for a loan, or even part of the couple, the other person might be a co-signatory to the loan.

Posted by: virgil at June 22, 2008 12:24 PM

Germaine Greer & Rolf Harris

Australians who have made their home overseas.

Rolf celebrates his Australian-ness, but still chooses to live overseas.

Germaine seems to not like Australia, seems bitter, and old. I havent read her books, just what she has said in the papers.

To criticise Steve Irwin at the time of his death, shows very poor judgement and no decency or compassion for his family and the wider community who held him in high regard.

Posted by: virgil at June 22, 2008 12:15 PM

Marcus Upuranus Prostratus Testericalus Horribilis, re your critique of my comment: "Marcus considers it entirely sufficient to educate himself. Consequently he hasn't been exposed to prolonged challenge from minds sharper and more analytical than his..."

In this comment I am not referring to your character but to a fact...unless you have lied on your profile, you do not have more than a high school education. Yet I can see that you have read deeply here and there. That's the problem. If you had read deeply AND widely AND been challenged in your education, you would make more sense than you do. So I didn't infer anything about your character, I deduced a fact about your education.

Two things, and I don't have much time (got to get back to writing my book in one of the Humanities..ha ha) ..

1. There are no longer gender differences in mathematical and spatial ('map reading') tasks in primary school aged kids...seems our efforts in socialising pre-schoolers has paid off...and have a look at Asia and India, Marcus...no one even thinks of gender differences in maths there, the idea that women can't do maths is a laughable in those cultures. It's often the Indian and Asian women who run businesses and support their families. There are many women engineers and accountants, business people, mathematicians and scientists in the non-fundamentalist Asian countries.

2. Many wonen refuse to join the engineering/mathematical disciplines in the West because of the kind of sub-culture the blokes have created...that is, they don't like how those blokes behave, and they don't want to spend an eight-hour day with them each week for the rest of their lives. They can do maths and engineering and science, but they don't WANT to. And if guys like you are representative of that group, I can completely understand why.

SmartArcus, if I ever see you offer someone, especially a woman, a supportive compliment, I will be astonished. YOU are the sort of bloke many women don't want to work with...alone and singlehanded you are putting great numbers of women off science. Which is a great shame...I've been educated in the sciences and the humanities, and both have great value. For god's sake change your attitude and stop putting people off science.

Posted by: waterbombe at June 22, 2008 11:00 AM

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 21, 2008 7:41 PM....yeah btt...we live longer...

Posted by: istj54 at June 22, 2008 9:06 AM

knowing ones self is the most essental start of a journey,of finding mr right...and this site is,a stepn stone in ones path,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: pinecreeksux at June 22, 2008 3:21 AM

Laughsandtalks I have to say I am hugely offended and not only am I hugely offended by that post that is clearly so extremely sexist and so full of rubbish its just making me feel sick.

It is disgusting that anyone is allowed to say such tripe. It was disgusting that anyone ever was.

Men are not better with tools, men are not better with cars, its social conditioning and nothing more.........................................I say as Waterbombe did and replace white with man and woman with black and you would be shunned from the rest of society for saying such rubbish and untruths.

I know a lot of women who could knock a lot of men senseless. I know a lot of women stronger than a lot of men...........there are 11 stone men and 14 stone women who are musucular and strong.

I have to say, I wont reply to anything from you again, you make me sick,m sick to my stomach..............you are disgusting.........Im sorry....................those comments were just wrong and I cannot express how offended I am hearing this tripe

Posted by: amandaongoldcoast at June 22, 2008 2:06 AM

I have just returned home from the celebration after the football. My voice has totally gone and I am exhausted. The Weagles suffered their biggest humiliating loss ever and Geelong shone. A group of children are so happy tonight and snugged up in their beds with full tummies, loads of kisses and hugs and lots to talk about tomorrow. Its a start and from a little seed a big tree grows, old saying but true. Our little treat was food and drinks provided by the sponsors with lots of happy tired people laughing and talking and discussing the events of the evening and how we will do better next time. I was collected afterwards and taken home by one of my children which is the same thing I do for them when they go out. No matter how hard life seems at times and how hard we work, how lucky we are to live in this country where everything is possible, friends are made easily, little achievements turn into big achievements and then we can go home and sleep peacefully in our own beds, me snugged up with my little PussyWillow who loves me dearly knowing that both my kids are safe and happy. I would love a partner who would share, but for the time being this is fine for me and life is good. Take care all and goodnight.

Posted by: iaminperth at June 22, 2008 1:52 AM

Hi all. My computer died on Friday arvo and I�m just back on line now, with a lot to catch up on.

WB at 4.01pm yesterday: Dunno why you had to sink the boot twice within a couple of hours. Because I was down, I guess.

Grego at 2.33pm yesterday: thanks for the support, mate. Maybe that was the reason for the second serve at 4.01pm.
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Istj at 8.51am today: Weren�t me ma�am that sent you a nasty email. I know a lot less about its contents than a number of female posters seem to.

Whenever you and I think the other is getting out of line, I�m happy just to cross swords here. Same with anyone else and I. And I don�t have your private email address, to let me dump on you privately, if I�d ever wanted to.

Or was it an RSVP email? In either case there is normally a sender�s nickname showing. And if you print out a real email, it gives the sender�s actual email address, not only their nickname. Should you say here what that name was? Or approach the relevant authorities with it? Whatever - I�m sorry you had the aggro.

Thank you WB, kurli, Malsie and Ninas, for giving me good character references in my absence.
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And thank you even more to everyone who reminded me today how unwise I�d been, to share the news of my great joy with my blog friends.

Bad move that. With a little help from the gossip reporter from the far-out barbarian Chauvinistic Sultanate of Marcustan, it�s cost me everything that I was so happy about . (see 3.32pm on 20th.)

Getting away from my great disappointment about that, and back into my left brain, I was interested to note how the tone of the different reprimands for my gaffe all mirrored the positive/supportive or else competitive/condemnatory natures of the different posters who�d bought in and were Telling me.

I�m going to do a bit of grieving now, and then go back to looking for someone who may not be Ms Exactly-Right (she's slipped through my fingers) but will be what I'd been looking for - Ms Right-Enuff, who also thinks that I'm Mr Right-Enuff. And then shut up when I find her. Seeyez whenever.

Posted by: timewarp1 at June 22, 2008 12:53 AM

Every day ......

Posted by: woodnwine at June 22, 2008 12:42 AM

"Of course Australian women feel equal - why shouldn't we - we are! Yeah... men want an "equal" too - so long as she's 15 years younger! ;) get over it guys - dream on!"
Posted by: riversong01 at June 21, 2008 10:19 AM

Where have I heard this before?

Posted by: woodnwine at June 22, 2008 12:41 AM

"I know eternal singledom awaits me, but the options of putting up and shutting up just cant be done.......I would rather.....no I wont go there :-)"

Posted by: amandaongoldcoast at June 20, 2008 11:21 AM

It seems amanda that you are overly specific in what you want in a man. Men who do this are often severely criticised, like stuart for instance. Maybe you should be a little more open minded too and you might find success more easily?

Posted by: woodnwine at June 22, 2008 12:30 AM

ssshhh,@ 7.52 pm
Firstly you may note I titled you correctly, a courtesy you have not afforded me. If you would read my post again you will find I simply agreed with you and made the point that even 20 years before that I had to have my wifes accord to get a loan. Banks always being Banks.

What point did I have to comment on, the one with you and the Bank manager, why and what for.
That you had to march and protest to get a fair pay. I have negotiated my salary most of my life.
Well I am glad you have had and shared your house for 27 years.
I believe even now (well the last time I applied for a loan) I had to have my wife as a co signee, and I again agree with you Banks do get their money back and then some.
I did check out your profile, it was interesting, but from the tone of your posts I sense an anger or resentment of men, as with a lot of other women making posts. It seems to me that this type of woman is not prepared to let the past go and take delight in regurgitating all the past slights and indignities suffered by them and are prepared to lash out at any man, because they did not lash out back then. But I will bet none of the men on this site caused you discomfort thirty years ago, so why take it out on us?
OG

Posted by: oldergent at June 21, 2008 10:41 PM

I agree Kaz, but Germaine certainly had her place in the fight for women's equality.
In the same way the suffragettes absolutely scandalised society by demonstrating loudly to get the vote for women, she (and others, of course) did the same for modern day women.
You need those who are deemed by society to be a bit "over the top", to build a pathway for more "moderate" and "acceptable" changes to occur.

Posted by: amberlight58 at June 20, 2008 11:17 PM

I think it is me, that OG is getting you confused with Kaz.
I brought up the suffragettes as an example of how people who are seen at the time as confrontational and "difficult" are needed, to make others either walking alongside them or just behind them appear "moderate" by comparison.
I think Malcolm X in the United States is another example. He frightened people with his radical ideas.
Martin Luther King was seen as a rational person in comparison, yet King's ideas of African-American equality were just as controversial in American society in those times.
For significant social change to occur, you need the controversial and "angry" people, so that the "moderates" can slip under the radar and actually enact that change.

Posted by: amberlight58 at June 21, 2008 10:36 PM

WB (11.18a.m) and OG: that's a pretty telling substitution that WB's done there, I think. Often I find myself reading what you've written, OG, not agreeing or disagreeing exactly, but wondering "Now, what does he really mean, here? And how could he come to say such things?" Which is maybe too forgiving, too pseudo-tolerant. REading WB's re-writing of your bit has me thinking that maybe what you're doing is simply wrong.
Sorry about this bluntness.
Hope you don't mind.
Henry.

Posted by: henri1959 at June 21, 2008 10:27 PM

Posted by: kurli at June 21, 2008 9:38 AM
>> If you're waiting to hear from TW..don't hold your collective breaths as his 'puter has temporarily died...

I see that Lord Buddha has had his 'sacrilegiously retributional, karmasutric' revenge on poor TW.

I tried to warn him ... VBG

Posted by: eatsrootsandleaves at June 21, 2008 9:07 PM

Oh ho hum, Marcus, you are at it again.
Please be a good boy and shut the door on the empty room as you leave.........K

Posted by: auntykaz at June 21, 2008 8:31 PM

Kaz, I have actually never struck the problem of a woman refusing to let me look after her but I havent been in the job all that long. Some of them for sure do joke about nice young men (well I am young, to them!) but no refusals. I will canvass my male colleagues to see if theyve had this happen. I work in the private sector so cant comment on hospital directors of nursing but I was thinking more of hospital executive types.

Going back to low paid typically female roles, teaching is another, where again (my sister tells me) even when men have started coming in to primary education, they seem to be disproportionally in higher paid roles, heads of department, deputy principal, principal, etc and of course at the education boards (more pen pushing).

Back in health, certain areas have traditionally been kept as a boys club. Gynacology (sp?! - spellcheck tells me its gynaecology, is that right?) is ironically one of them. Law used to be another but apparently now there are far more female junior solicitors than male. Will be interesting to see if this translates in time up to partnre level...!

Germaine Greer is an outstanding Australian academic with original views and she always raises interest whenever she expresses her views. Thats all I will diplomatically say on that one!

Posted by: mandible60 at June 21, 2008 8:12 PM

The only place you will ever find 'Mr Right' is in novels, dreams and movies. Iam yet to be proved otherwize. Synical but ture.

Posted by: gothsoul at June 21, 2008 8:02 PM

Elderly gent...in response to your last post,(5.24)perhaps I did not make one point particularly clear...30 years ago,(as I recall )a woman was required when signing a legal document,especially a financial one,to have a male as guarantor.You have failed to aknowledge the other points raised in my post of 3.45.Well the bank got it's money back...and then some within 10 years.The bank manager must've known something,16 yrs later I did have another child.But that was none of his concern...or yours.

Posted by: ssshhh at June 21, 2008 7:52 PM

waterbombe June 21, 2008 1:01PM

I quote "...the only differences [between the sexes] are reproductive".
Waterbeetle, once again you are comprehensively wrong, quite uninformed and either/and out of date or a disingenuous dissembler or liar. The sort of crap being spouted in that post comes straight out of 70's Womyns Studies Humanities. That is like saying the only differences between an E Type Jaguar and a Morris Major are the number of doors, because they both otherwise have 4 wheels and an engine.
Lets agree, if you can, that sex is biological, gender is psychosocial.

There are many, many, physical and physiological differences between men and women. Any of the readers who have done a 1 or 2 nursing course will know this. Dead feminist heroine Simone de Beauvoir's famous dictum is (or was) "One is not born a woman but rather becomes one." This is patently rubbish. Science shows unequivocally otherwise (this is the same science that incidentally is mainly male driven but has added more than another half a lifetime to the average female Australians life expectancy over the last 100 years). Males and females, are different from the moment of conception, and the difference shows itself in every system of body and brain.

Males, for extremely good reasons have evolved to be bigger, stronger, with relatively much more cardio vascular capacity, more aggressive, better at mechanical tasks and tool making (toolmaking these days includes sophisticated medical equipmentand things like planes, cars washing machines and mobile phones) mathematical and spatial ('map reading) tasks and capable of efficient heirarchical organisation (think national self defence forces).
I don't think this comes as a suprise to anyone but those ideological feminists reciting their worn out catechisms. These are the same puffed up recondites like Beetle who despite having had 40 years to do it have not produced one serious, eminent, public science intellectual or indeed women professor in the physical sciences. There is no shortage of men.
The feminist's attempted removal of the idea that facts and evidence matter by the idea that everything boils down to subjective interests and perspectives is the most prominent and pernicious manifestation of anti-intellectualism in our time.
Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 21, 2008 7:41 PM

ISTJ - The email you received was very disturbing. If I had received one such as that, I would be feeling very threatened. Like you, I would want to know who it was and until such time as I did, I would feel very uncomfortable. I agree with others, though. I can't imagine TW being so nasty. Vebose, yes. Opinionated yes. Nasty, never.

Posted by: ninaschen at June 21, 2008 7:31 PM

benthicbeetle June 21, 2008 5:09 PM

KERRRLANG beetlebabe.

How can you (logically) advise someone to "...be careful about reading a person's character into what they write on these blogs...you are only seeing one side of them. Look at the difference between what a lot of think of TW...old granny etc... blah blah blah" as you did to shortncurlies and then immediately excrete the following which has been entirely derived from my profile and bloggings "...Marcus considers it entirely sufficient to educate himself. Consequently he hasn't been exposed to prolonged challenge from minds sharper and more analytical than his..."
You've done exactly what you advised someone else not to do without even a decent pause.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 21, 2008 6:54 PM

WB@5.09pm------
Apologies dear lady.what I was implying was that I PREFER to grin (myself) rather than snarl..... :-)
although at times I have been known to wave my claws wildly when upset........as I'm convinced TW will share with you .......

Posted by: kurli at June 21, 2008 6:43 PM

laughsandjerks@3:47 PM
Occasionally your comments are funny.Every now and then you even have something valid and intelligent to say but for the most part you are just patronising and/or boring..Whilst I would agree that a degree is not always the best indicator of intelligence or dumbness I do wonder why you constantly feel the need to debunk and put people down. I notice on your profile that you are looking for someone with a sense of curiosity and the ridiculous.Obviously to have anything to do with with you they would indeed need that.

Posted by: tallerthantom at June 21, 2008 5:47 PM

Mandible , l also work in the healthcare sector, and it is largely staffed with women, with some males thrown in but definitely they are in the minority.
Depends on whether you are an EBA site or not really as to the pay scale, as well as what state you are in. Some pay better than others. And by the way l am yet to meet a male who is in the Director of Nursing role.
The problem we see is that with male nurses, many women will not let them look after them. Bearing in mind that l work in Aged Care, this is largely a generational thing.
The male carers are understanding of this, but it is a limit to what they can do during a working day. ... .. ..... .. . . . .. ..... . . . . .K

Posted by: auntykaz at June 21, 2008 5:45 PM

ssshhh@3.45pm
Very true 30 years ago, and 50 years ago I had to take my wife to co-sign for a loan, sssooo?
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at June 21, 2008 5:24 PM

I dont know the figures but the gender pay gap is still too wide. Partly this is because women still tend to be in low paid occupations, I should know because I have chosen to join one of them. Even in health care men tend to be in teh higher paid managerial levels (not me, I prefer to actually do some caring / nursing rather than pen pushing!)

Posted by: mandible60 at June 21, 2008 5:15 PM

ah, the technique used by me, OG, is logic.I am glad you are well aware of it.

Kurli, were you implying I snarl at all and sundry? Surely not. You do need to be careful about reading a person's character into what they write on these blogs...you are only seeing one side of them. Look at the difference between what a lot of think of TW...old granny etc...and what you think, actually knowing the whole person.

I wouldn't give Marcus Genitalius Caesar any information that would identify you even further, Riversong. Marcus considers it entirely sufficient to educate himself. Consequently he hasn't been exposed to prolonged challenge from minds sharper and more analytical than his, which is the experience of anyone who goes to a decent uni (even if that mind belongs to another student!). Waste of time discussing it with him.

Posted by: waterbombe at June 21, 2008 5:09 PM

Yes Kaz the sufferage was for the good of all people, but to say that Greer alone was the catalyst for female equality does not give justice to the wives and mothers who quitely went about their way, by example.
Posted by: oldergent at June 21, 2008 3:12 PM
Um OG, l don't think that l have said that about Greer. My opinion of her is somewhat low to say the least. Don't quite know where you got that impression from.

ISTJ, can't you block someone from sending you an email ??
Was it sent anonymously or did it have an identifiable address attached to it?
A pretty low thing to do to someone l think, and l hope you have not received others like it......K

Posted by: auntykaz at June 21, 2008 4:57 PM

Iaminperth...............absolutely not, I dont want a breastless woman at al and dont think any woman does.

I think men are forced into stereotypes rather than being who they are. I would say most men lear at women and comment to their guy friends, tinker with cars, watch footie all because of how they are socially conditioned and not necessarily who they want to be if all being equal.

I want a man who is a man, I dont want a woman and I dont know anyone who does, but a man isnt someone who watches footie, chases skirt and fixes cars...............a man is a strong person, someone who is happy with who he is, who is man enough to be kind, balanced and earthed......................I dont want someone who loves chick flicks and wants to come shopping with me, or a gossip or someone who loves soap operas.........................

Just I want to abolish gender roles..................as in what job is man or woman and the main parent and home maker shouldnt be a woman, only half the time.....................that doesnt take anything away from a man being a man..........it just takes away the sexist attitude that really is unacceptable and as unacceptable as racism.

On both parties (its not a womans right to decide to stay home either....so it equally would be a reality check for many women too)

Gender roles changing doesnt mean the sexes themselves are.....

Posted by: amandaongoldcoast at June 21, 2008 4:57 PM

Riversong. Be **really** smart and ignore!

On female suffrage I remember from school that in England at any rate, the first world war achieved more than the suffragetes ever did.

Posted by: mandible60 at June 21, 2008 4:48 PM

Posted by: riverschlong01 June 21, 2008 9:52 AM

You wrote:

"laughsandtalks 20 June 9.35 - I'm (naturally) blonde and with a couple of Degrees, so can't be that dumb ;)"

Before I feel need to debunk the idea that having a degree is in itself any indication of not being 'that dumb', it follows you will tell us what those degrees are in, and where and when you obtained them. Yes?
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 21, 2008 3:47 PM

Warebombe...great posts,we have come a long way,some of these chaps just need a reminder that only 30 yrs ago,women needed a male guarrantor for a loan.People like me were marching in protest to get both equal pay and promotions in the public service,,and had to listen to this patronising exchange between a bank manager and myself when trying for a house loan..."we'll put it through as a test case,you may want more babies,you see."..!!!Well I got the loan.Mr Wrong and I then shared said house for 27 yrs.....

Posted by: ssshhh at June 21, 2008 3:45 PM

What do you think of a comment made to me by a man that he thinks that what woman are looking for in a man is more like a breastless woman. Are we doing that, have we lost sight of the differences

Posted by: iaminperth at June 21, 2008 3:40 PM

who hates me out there...besides the usual suspects:))

Posted by: istj54 at June 21, 2008 2:42 PM
Come on now J.L. have you actually offended any body enough that they could actually hate you?
I can honestly say that hate is not a word that I would ever use in regard to another person and have never had anyone tell me that they hate me either.
If someone has sent you anonymous hate mail just treat it as spam and delete it.
What is the point of even trying to find out who sent it.Do you really want to engage in any form of contact with someone like that?

Posted by: tallerthantom at June 21, 2008 3:36 PM

Why would anyone hate you, and how would they get your private email. Surely it must be someone who has contacted you in the past. I think TW';s full of, you know what, but I don't think he's full of hate, although you never know. Sometimes old men get really nasty but he's more spiteful like an old woman rather than hateful. All that Seeyuz and popping here and zipping there and busy busy busy all the time wizzing across town with the washing, more like an old granny really.

Posted by: iaminperth at June 21, 2008 3:29 PM

WB@11.18 am,
I am very well aware of the technique use by you, much in use in my school debating days, it can be applied in many different ways.
If I may it would be easier to address my reply to both you and Kaz @11.32 am.
The suffragettes collectively did what was proper and did it for the good of all of the women. Being bought up by a Mother and not under the influence of a male I had and still have a great regard and understanding of the womens role in society. I lived through the Greer days, the most biting comment I heard in those days was from the women around me. My mother and wife both decried her, as mum said why would she want to be dragged back to be equal to a male, by a woman making a name for herself. She also led to a lot of men changing their attitude to women, to the detriment of women in general. They both understood that in a lot of very important matters they were the superior to men and happy to let men do what they were best at, and they knew that when it came down to the nub of the matter they could always do the "women of Troy" bit and eventually get their way. I am talking here of non violent families. I am not aware of my mother ever being assaulted, heaven help the man if he did, he would never want to go to sleep I would have imagined, my wife slapped me once, got slapped back with the same force and never again did either of us indulge in that again. So I grew up with Feminine women, who respected themselves and their menfolk, still have great affection for my two sisters and the female members of the family group (maybe one exception who is now realising the importance of the family group now she is getting a little older). So I do react when I hear the strident sexist remarks of some women, and yes the most sexist comment does seem to come from certain women on these blogs.
Yes Kaz the sufferage was for the good of all people, but to say that Greer alone was the catalyst for female equality does not give justice to the wives and mothers who quitely went about their way, by example.

I doubt if ever there are two humans on this earth who are completely equal in every respect, no matter how ego driven.
Cheers OG.

Posted by: oldergent at June 21, 2008 3:12 PM

Okay, on second thoughts most likely not him...apologies all round...but I am at a loss to work out who it could have been...anyone want to fess up?...who hates me out there...besides the usual suspects:))

Posted by: istj54 at June 21, 2008 2:42 PM

WB@1.11 re VBG

Just a very big grin..........much easier than snarling at all and sundry.
As for TW he really is a sweet natured person .Strange but TRUE.

And yes.............maybe the OG doesnt know the history of the Suffragette Movement.

Posted by: kurli at June 21, 2008 2:06 PM

WB, apparently it means "very big grin" - I had to ask myself the other day...

istj, I agree with WB about that email. The person who sent it sounds a very unhappy and spiteful person to me - not somebody I'd like to be associated with, that's for sure; not things I'd pick TW to be.

Posted by: malsie at June 21, 2008 2:06 PM

Posted by: yaahmulegiddyup at June 20, 2008 8:34 PM
"Dependence Upon One's Looks Alone. The flip side of the last item, however, is when someone (particularly a woman) considers the narrative a "throwaway", saying virtually nothing and therefore indicating that pictures alone should compel you to write. This is a dead giveaway that you are dealing with someone who hasn't realized that "The Storybook" takes two people to write effectively. See what I mean?"
Yaahmule, I think a woman's profile relying on photos with no narrative is more likely to be a giveaway that you are dealing either with a fake, or an Australian residency hunter.

Posted by: eurotravel at June 21, 2008 1:42 PM

...and Waterbombe, as a card carrying feminist (or so my son calls me), I agree with all that you are saying too:)) I am so agreeable today that I am feeling a little bit sick...and I actually enjoy watching Germaine et al on Grumpy Old Women...very funny at times...I'm one of those too.

Posted by: istj54 at June 21, 2008 1:36 PM

and talking about Marcus..a competition with his name on it......
The Competition .....
Imagine how much fun he could have with that little lot...he would rule the world...the power of creation in his freezer....
or would he disappoint by taking the cash?

Posted by: thelynathdiary at June 21, 2008 1:35 PM

Exactly Kurli, we owe those women an enormous amount. Some of them died trying to get us the vote...maybe guys like OG don't know that.
I never did get the VBG thing...what does it mean again?
Istj, I think TW bangs on a bit but I never detected a drop of malice in him...I would be stunned if he was the perpetrator of that nasty email.

Posted by: waterbombe at June 21, 2008 1:11 PM

Yup, Amanda, some people only realise what sexism means when you make a direct comparison with race. White men wouldn't argue any more that black men should be subservient because of their biology. So what is it about women's biology that would justify it? The only differences are reproductive (sit down Sperms-R-Us) but that's not much of an argument. We carry babies and give birth, but that takes strength and endurance, not weakness. We do the lion's share of looking after children, and that's very hard work, a lot of it physical. There was one union some years ago (can't remember which, maybe the firefighter's union) that forbade women to belong because they said women couldn't lift more than ten pounds. That's the weight of a six month old baby!
Apart from biology, which doesn't count as I said above, there are greater differences among women and among men than between them. There are HUGE differences in physical size, temerament, strength, height, etc etc among men....you go from your skinny undeveloped 5' tall guy to your 7' Shwarzenegger type...and the same goes for women...have a loook around you, OG. There are very petite women and there are very large strong women out there. People should do the jobs they want to do according to their own inclination and strength.

Posted by: waterbombe at June 21, 2008 1:01 PM

istj54@11.21 today:
The comment was addressed to the larger group in general........I try to remain a genuine lady (VBG) even if at times I descend into larrikinism .
Waterbombe,AuntyKaz and AoGC: My respect was always for the Suffragettes.....without them, females in UK and Australia would still be chattels .

Posted by: kurli at June 21, 2008 12:53 PM

Good one Istj, better leave the butts alone methinks

Posted by: iaminperth at June 21, 2008 12:52 PM

Waterbombe, spot on and well done and I am very glad that RSVP allowed it as it is in fact the best way to actually demonstrate this point. Sexism is seen as a very watered down ism and not taken remotely seriously (and as a woman you are frowned at by both sexes for actually saying its a HUGE inaequality). Equally opportunities my bottom, equality is what it should be......half of stay home parents and home makers should be male and yes....women should be equally as responsible of bringing home the money (and yes shoudl also go down a mine shaft if need be and I do know quite a few who do).
I have to applaud Australia men more than say the Brits though, as I have met many many more home makers and full time dads since being here in Australia. UK men arent quite as manly so are therefore more gender role orientated.
Waterbombe again, congratulations for that, the point was made amazingly clear.

Posted by: amandaongoldcoast at June 21, 2008 11:37 AM

No, iaminperth...it is when they have told you of the augmentation but when you look...it is not there:))

Posted by: istj54 at June 21, 2008 11:34 AM

Righto OG, l will attempt to narrow my comments for you so they are maybe a tad clearer.
On Greer, yes she is outspoken, comments from afar every few years then pops back.
The Suffragettes, in my opinion did more for equality, after all the right to vote, the right to a voice in saying how your country is run is by far an very important milestone in the history of equality between the sexes.
Being able to have a vote and influence the policy of your country in a broad sense (really no other way to describe it sorry OG)
is a basic right . After all why shouldn't we have a say ????
Is that clearer OG ?? Or am l still not making sense to you ??
On Steve Irwin, yes there were many cringeworty moments of that there is no doubt, but his excitement be it manufactured or not was certainly entertaining. Now that certainly is clear............................K

Posted by: auntykaz at June 21, 2008 11:32 AM

Fallacious argumentation - Is that when you get a false backside ?

Posted by: iaminperth at June 21, 2008 11:23 AM

"If you're waiting to hear from TW..don't hold your collective breaths as his 'puter has temporarily died"....Kurli this morning.
Kurli, is this just addressed to me, or to a larger group? If just to me, it gives credence to your beloved being the author of a rather disturbingly threatening email I received recently...had my suspicions...anyways must admit that I like your blogging style...you appear to be a very together lady...deserving of the best:))

Posted by: istj54 at June 21, 2008 11:21 AM

OG, I have copied an earlier post from you (oldergent at June 21, 2008 12:14 AM ) and replaced 'men' with 'whites' and 'women' with 'blacks'. RSVP may not let it through because it is so racist, but I'll try anyway. Have a read and see if you can see the problem with your argument against equality.
" We have been through this equality thing in past blogs. I still maintain it is not understood by a lot of people (mainly blacks) .There is no such thing and most whites understand this among themselves. What it would probably translate to blacks is "equal opportunity": then the worry for blacks is "what field do we compete on". In the white's world it is a free for all no holds barred, few blacks are mentally unprepared for that, those that can are rare. Just a biological fact."
Does this remind you of anything people used to say 100 years ago? It's a claim that some people just can't cope with the pressures of work and life as well as others, due to their biology. It was a common argument used to justify keeping black people subservient to whites. No one accepts it now, and almost no one (apart from a few old blokes) accepts that argument for gender either.

Posted by: waterbombe at June 21, 2008 11:18 AM

Mandible60...my thumbs up...i agree.

Posted by: zimbia at June 21, 2008 11:05 AM

Posted by: yaahmulegiddyup at June 21, 2008 9:35 AM
>>>Fallacious argumentation is not a show show of intelligence capability rather the opposite actually

Thank you for proving your point.
See what TW's verbose influence has over some others ?
This isn't scrabble mate- you don't get extra points for using "BIG" words, especially if you don't know how to apply proper grammar and/or punctuation ( at least, TW has some skill there).

Posted by: eatsrootsandleaves at June 21, 2008 10:48 AM

Posted by: mandible60 at June 21, 2008 7:16 AM

Exactly !

Posted by: eatsrootsandleaves at June 21, 2008 10:37 AM

Thanks Malsie, I did notice that this morning, how one word can completely change all meaning. That might be a good subject, has one word changed a whole relationship. I need to get up, I'm still tired from a busy week and have to be in Subi by 3 this afternoon and will have a very busy but enjoyable evening. There are so many things to do in the house and my dog has pushed a sliding door of its runners so a bit of maintenance as well. Never mind, will get up and start the chores, turn on the radio and away we go again.

Posted by: iaminperth at June 21, 2008 10:29 AM

I gather amandaingoldcoast is copping it for speaking up for women being equal (though I don't have time to read all this). Amanda - don't let it get to you. There are many women who agree, just don't have the courage you do to express it directly, knowing the consequences with the resident blog bullies!
I'm sorry I started all this! A suggestion - perhaps RSVP should have a "kiss block" facility, to block out kisses outside the preferred age/state/etc range. I don't blame you for not looking - life is precious and saves so much time wasting.
Yeah, "mule", you can get a foreign one - why you asks? Perhaps something to do with a free ticket to Oz or Permanent Residency? ;)
Of course Australian women feel equal - why shouldn't we - we are! Yeah... men want an "equal" too - so long as she's 15 years younger! ;) get over it guys - dream on!

Posted by: riversong01 at June 21, 2008 10:19 AM

I personally wasn't a fan of Steve Irwin's style but do thank him for two things: Australia Zoo which I am yet to visit is aparrently wonderful.
He got kids out from the mind numbing world of computer games and got them excited about Australia, animals, nature and doing "real" things!
It is a real pitty he passed and in the second area has certainly left a void!

Posted by: creativestuart at June 21, 2008 10:15 AM

Kurli, glad to hear you are reconsidering leaving "the fold".
iaminperth, yes, Steve Irwin sure did a lot for conversation - people talked about him heaps after his death - he also did a fair for conservation too :)

Posted by: malsie at June 21, 2008 9:59 AM

laughsandtalks 20 June 9.35 - I'm (naturally) blonde and with a couple of Degrees (more than you), so can't be that dumb ;)

Posted by: riversong01 at June 21, 2008 9:52 AM

istj54@8.54am:
ok I jumped in...with feet firmly planted in mouth! Lesson learned :-)
If you're waiting to hear from TW..don't hold your collective breaths as his 'puter has temporarily died.
Henry: "when" I get down to the apple isle,it will be solo.....
OG......keep stretching our minds with your well placed stirring commentary on Life.

Posted by: kurli at June 21, 2008 9:38 AM

>>Keeping these points in mind will help any online dater to go from novice to expert in record time..
(wtf ?? you've had 3 dates in 5 years- talk about a classic case of those who can't do, teach)
ohhh, you meant "expert" as in the 'need of 'expert' T-H-E-R-A-P-Y (hmmm- the sooner the better )
Posted by: eatsrootsandleaves at June 20, 2008 11:42 PM
You can insult me all you want and It will be of no consequence. Fallacious argumentation is not a show show of intelligence capability rather the opposite actually
Consider the words you have quoted as showing an ability to separate wheat from chaff as some prefer quality over quantity

Posted by: yaahmulegiddyup at June 21, 2008 9:35 AM

I had to admit I cringed when I read TW's reference to urti, I thought at first I read uti and thought oh no, now he's going to go into detail about his imaginary sex life. As if the maggots in the toenail weren't enough to make anyone puke. At least his maggots weren't spreadable to another human being but his dual urti coupled with his first meeting is just another example of how dumb he is socially. Also adding carting dirty washing across town here and there just about completes the picture for me and it's not one I would wish to look at.

Posted by: iaminperth at June 21, 2008 9:32 AM

I think TW is just playing his punch and judy show, unfortunately being the insensitive person he is, doesn't realize he is dealing with another persons feelings as he is so focussed on his own self importance. If Kurli is indeed the modern day Judy in the Punch show she will not be so forgiving and it will be on our bike boy, you're just a big old bore and I'm far better off without you.

Posted by: iaminperth at June 21, 2008 9:17 AM

Conservation, not conversation, no definitely not that, it was late guys and had a big week, what a stuff up!

Posted by: iaminperth at June 21, 2008 9:13 AM

Warped.
I'm waiting for the next instalment of the John and Yoko files. What about a naked together in bed joint blog contribution? Shouldn't be too hard and might get a few good nature-theme contributions. The entry earlier this year about your flyblown toenail got a few arthropod stories going and gives you form.
Cheers Marcus
Posted by: laughsandtalks at June 20, 2008 10:44 AM
Personally, I found this post very funny, but then I have a contentious history with the old boy. Also, personally, I have recently been appalled by his open blathering of his recent meeting with Kurli. I would have ended it by now, if I was her...am also a very private person and some of the recent posts were cringe material...but, agreeing with WB, he always has to be centre stage and regaling us with the boring minutae of his life and experiences...Kurli seemed to me to jump into the blogs with both feet firmly planted and with great confidence...what happened...oh...went too far.

Posted by: istj54 at June 21, 2008 8:57 AM

I feel moved to join in here - why not just play ((blog)) nicely without throwing wild accusatons of misandry / missogyny around ? We are all guilty of "bloody men ... bloody women" type comments from time to time, it doesnt mean we despise the whole gender does it? It sounds like some of you have picked up new "buzzwords" and now you are worrying on them like bones. The truth is that some people are just nasty, straight out, whatever there gender. Some do it to get a rise out of others, some just cant help it, its there personality. You could ignore them and reply to those who are polite and respectfull, or you could get yourself heated up by bickering very publically with someone youwill probably (hopefully) never meet. I know which I'd choose.

Posted by: mandible60 at June 21, 2008 7:16 AM

Perth & Mule: great stuff, guys. How often I loook at the briefest of CVs / profile-thingies and say, sh.., I've got NO IDEA about how to respond to this person among all the choices which www seems to offer. So the right pinkie itches towards a skip-key; the mouse wriggles its tail down the list.
And then to consider that my particular choice (serious & thorough, I suppose) also means something about my limitations, too.
So that's quite an essay, Mule. Looks like a self-help book is on its way?
cheeers,
Henry.

Posted by: henri1959 at June 21, 2008 4:58 AM

NW: thanks for your story about the big commitment to the new man, the neat little take-home first-night HP lap-man lap-top. Gave me a good laugh.
TW: thanks for news of you & kurli. Kurli, it sure would be great to meet you down here. With Tw?
Henry

Posted by: henri1959 at June 21, 2008 4:48 AM

Kaz,@ 10.28 pm
for goodness sake give a reffernce on what you are commenting on, I spend a lot of time trying to find your point. You are one of my respected lady commentators, always fair and just, maybe one time no,
I watched Irwin on TV for maybe for 20 minutes over the years and having hunted the animals be made his reputation on, I had the different aspect of them.
Kaz, Greer cared for no one but Greer, she found her rostrum and exploited it for her own benefit. as have so many other people through the ages, without a care about what their action caused or the detriment to Society or their adherents. I have copped a server for being too serious lately, but if we do not get serious soon we are going to lose the plot in a big way.
We have been through this equality thing in past blogs. I still maintain it is not understood by a lot of people (mainly women) There is no such thing and most men understand this among themselves. What it would probably translate to women is "equal opportunity": then the worry for women is "what field do we compete on". In the man's world it is a free for all no holds barred, few women are mentally unprepared for that, those that can are rare. Just a biological fact, ( sit still Marcus). Your observation of this as you said as probably generaly widespread and accepted, I do not find as true.
Un natural, probally the only one silly enough to talk to you "is you".
Kurli.@ 10.45.pm
Mam, might you not have over stepped it a bit in your post, and gone a bit past the boundaries of a "Cancerian lady" like the one I was married to for 30 years.
Then maybe you have a right to be upset with the recent events and comments of your counterparts. Belatedly I welcome you to the Bitchy world of the Blogs.
Sorry Bill, I wished the red did not get me forthright and direct, blame it on the "red debil".
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at June 21, 2008 12:14 AM

Posted by: yaahmulegiddyup at June 20, 2008 8:34 PM
>>Keeping these points in mind will help any online dater to go from novice to expert in record time..
(wtf ?? you've had 3 dates in 5 years- talk about a classic case of those who can't do, teach)
ohhh, you meant "expert" as in the 'need of 'expert' T-H-E-R-A-P-Y (hmmm- the sooner the better )

Posted by: eatsrootsandleaves at June 20, 2008 11:42 PM

NW@7.14pm........
Like you,I'm hoping that EEis too busy for her own birthday bash.
I've always got a spare bed if you wanna party in Redcliffe.......I make aMEAN curry (amongst other deelights) so come on up.........I have a significant natal day very shortly :-)

Posted by: kurli at June 20, 2008 11:27 PM

I agree Kaz, but Germaine certainly had her place in the fight for women's equality.
In the same way the suffragettes absolutely scandalised society by demonstrating loudly to get the vote for women, she (and others, of course) did the same for modern day women.
You need those who are deemed by society to be a bit "over the top", to build a pathway for more "moderate" and "acceptable" changes to occur.
Thanks Waterbombe for your advice, I think I will try your suggestion.
However, if yaahmulegiddyup is correct, I may well be just wasting my time!
However, nothing ventured, nothing gained, I suppose.
Once again thanks.
BTW Stuart, I said I found the use of adjectives such as "tactile" and "sensual" in men's profiles a wee bit off-putting.
Malsie said although she knows that just because NOT putting "tactile" in a profile doesn't mean someone isn't, she actually quite likes men saying they are.
Not criticising you at all.
Kurli,
I have really liked your comments. It would be good if you could continue to offer your wise and funny observations.
Just make sure TW lets you "vet" any of his contributions before he posts them, if they mention you!

Posted by: amberlight58 at June 20, 2008 11:17 PM

Perth..I think it was this....
laughsandtalks at June 20, 2008 10:44 AM
My thanks to NW and WB. for humour and sensitivity.......
Kurli..thank you..I enjoyed yours as well...
(big hug) nw

Posted by: naturalwoman08 at June 20, 2008 11:12 PM

Nw I have my almost perfect little bed mate with me again tonight, my beautiful little burmese Willow snugged up beside me, doesn't kick me in the night or snore, well just a little, but that's okay and loves me absolutely no matter how I look or how much of the bed I take up. Even though she has hairy ears and legs, she's still so beautiful to me. Sounds like a bit of Joe Cocker coming on.. You are so beautiful to me.........

Posted by: iaminperth at June 20, 2008 11:07 PM

nw@10.31pm........
I am Sooooooooo Glad (VBG) that your new playmate is providing such joy! (VBG) Isnt it great when pushing the right buttons produces the correct response!(evil grin)
Hon there is NO WAY I'd miss a Curry tiffin....am still considering whether to change alias or not..........and I think I will be back to counter the outrageous slings of fortune aimed by Giggles n Waffles,etc.........WHY should I change my profile because of a few poisonous males.......I'm content being Me!

Posted by: kurli at June 20, 2008 10:58 PM

I agree with you Kaz, and no doubt Steve Irvwin did do a lot for conversation. I just think his methods were very questionable at times, but maybe critics would argue that. I find Germaine Greer fascinating because of her courage to say as she pleases I suppose. She doesn't seem to fear anyone and says it as she sees it. I think that alone is rather refreshing in this politically correct world

Posted by: iaminperth at June 20, 2008 10:58 PM

Yikes, whatever did Marcus say? I have looked thru and can't find it, was he really that