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trumanscat @ Mar 24, 2.31pm...

Yes, plenty of people saw that.

The intelligent approach to words delivered with malicious intent, is to give them the attention they deserve.
None.

After all.. words can't be effective weapons if no-one's listening.

Posted by: decoratress at March 25, 2008 9:12 AM

Virgil and Co: I grew up on a sheep property, and attending to flystrike on sheep was a 9-months a year major job. Didn't fancy that for a lifestyle, so became an engineer instead.

With your fastidious first-world citified sensibilities, I hope you're never marooned in the third world - or in an authentic third-world travelogue.

I'd thought that the Maundy Thursday ablutions/ Mother Teresa topic was a really appropriate one for any fair-dinkum muscular Christian at Easter, and was disappointed that no-one addressed it.

Timewarp, I wish I could take the last post back, but that doesnt happen in the real world. I think the things that test us, make us stronger, and hopefully the Maudy Thursday foot washing will fall into that category.
I havent heard the term "muscular Christian" before, and I am sorry I didnt take up the issue of Mother Terasa and foot washing, but felt that part of the anatomy had more than enough exposure at this time.

I suspect I would cope, if thrown into a third world situation, as I also have had many challenging life experiences.

Posted by: virgil at March 25, 2008 9:09 AM

On WICOE.
Warped. Easter has gone for the Christians though I see you are attempting to enliven the smelly dead
Teresa of Calcutta's famous statement that "abortion was the biggest threat to world peace" sums up her hideous Catholic fundamentalism. She denied girls and education and thus the only known cure for poverty.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 9:05 AM

Thank you so much WnW, TW and Amber - all your words resonate positively with me and I thank you so much for your support and wisdom.Amber, I have heard of that book and I think I will go and have a read of it, thanks for the tip! :-) TW, I do worry that my profile is a bit "inyerface" but thank you for your lovely words of encouragement - (I also enjoy your blogs and witticisms too) :-) I think there are some top quality humans on this blogging site too! Speak to you all later today, off to work now, Jac X

Posted by: secretary1 at March 25, 2008 7:51 AM

Secretary1: I really admired the inyerface excellent values explicitly on display throughout your profile. No-one who can read will be in any doubt that you are a top-quality human, and interested only in the same.

A bit like the ancient Chinese approach to advertising a job vacancy - so specific that they'd only have a couple of applicants to sort through.

But I wonder if the lower end of your wanted age range would be able to come anywhere near matching your maturity? You might be lucky.

Virgil and Co: I grew up on a sheep property, and attending to flystrike on sheep was a 9-months a year major job. Didn't fancy that for a lifestyle, so became an engineer instead.

With your fastidious first-world citified sensibilities, I hope you're never marooned in the third world - or in an authentic third-world travelogue.

I'd thought that the Maundy Thursday ablutions/ Mother Teresa topic was a really appropriate one for any fair-dinkum muscular Christian at Easter, and was disappointed that no-one addressed it.

YouareinPerth @ 4.38pm Sunday: Thank you for that delightfully-confronting little piece of Time and Motion Study. Worthy of JenJen or naughtyfish, in more ways than one.

My Ex used to say that you could tell who was a responsible adult by how widely they defined the jobs they were given.

She said that most children and husbands define a given job very narrowly - eg. in your example, using tongs to handle pieces of meat on and off a griddle.

But mature adults like SydneyBob do the whole job on their Pat Malone - the Get, the Do and the Put away. No trades assistant/ mother/ wife required, 'cause they're grown-ups.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 25, 2008 1:34 AM

Hi bloggers,
and Karina of course...hope you all had a Happy/or Pleasant or Not Too Unbearable Easter. Have had difficulty keeping up with the blogs as a "lurker" but I have had the whole Easter holiday off work and uni of course. So the thing is I do not want to be in control of everything in a relationships. I struggle to read maps for example so its best if the guy finds places. Of course one should stop for directions eventually and not drive round in circles. Lots of men seem able to focus on one thing intently, which I admire. Oh and I detest plumbing DIY jobs but I will do them. I do my own painting, gardening, really do not like whippersnipping, but what woman does????? Also digging holes in the garden is a bit of a bore. The policy at my house is, if we can't do it ourselves or afford, or want a tradesman, we leave it - forever, or until we can not stand it any longer. However men have a different sense of humour often, they seem to like blonde jokes. A male friend sends me blonde and lawyer jokes. It is really sweet.
I can not stand shopping and that would never be an issue. Also I have no desire to spend a guys money. I do not need to be right all the time and can concede and yes sometimes compromise.
Keys often go missing in my house, of course they belong to my sons and they ask me where theirs are..........even calling my mobile to ask. I lose our cordless phone and my mobile often. Am bad at parallel parking, it is a joke but good at driving.
I have trouble getting ice out of icecube trays but have no probs filling em. The boys in my house cant fill an icecube tray or the water jug either. We often have an empty milk carton in the fridge, but they complain if we have no milk. they (my sons) are not able to write a shopping list with "we need milk on it"
I am happy to be equal to a man but different. No way do I want to compete with a partner.
G'Nite, from

SSC

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at March 24, 2008 11:53 PM

Ummm I haven't blogged in ages, but the beauty of that is that no one ever really took any notice of when I used to blog anyway, so I will probably be new again! WICOE, well its like that in my household, and as wondrous, organised, awe inspiring and independantly inclined as that is, I would really enjoy a masculine influence from time to time. As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as a typical man or woman, we simply have typical traits that happen to make an appearance in our lives, that require understanding and soft persuasion tactics to help us deal with them. So as for WICOE, no thanks, I prefer to share.....

Posted by: mystiemuse at March 24, 2008 11:01 PM

"...vicious nastiness rears it's head & infiltrates even the most innocous blogs, an energy of itself.

But I suspect some people get off on that, creating mayhem & angst because quite possibly they can't sit at home with their own"

Posted by: trumanscat at March 24, 2008 2:31 PM

Unfortunately, I think you have a valid point there. The only thing I can suggest is to ignore their comments and carry on regardless. Have you noticed that many of the nasty posts come from people with hidden profiles? This, I believe is because some people use this anonymity as a shield against real (as apposed to cyber) repercussions. Would these people say these things to your face? I think not!

It is my own personal belief that it should be a prerequisite to have a visible profile to be able to post on these blogs. Mind you, this probably sounds hypocritical given my own profile is hidden!

Posted by: jovial67 at March 24, 2008 9:43 PM

I just wanted to say 'Hi'. After seeing everyone I know disappear off for long weekends of camping, 5 star and hidden B&B holidays, I was prompted to open up my long hiddend account, and venture forth unot the world of dating.

I also found these blogs. What an interesting place!

I got a good laugh out of iaminperth's and notgodsgift's bbq ettiquette for the weekend. As I have no man to man the bbq, I have to borrow friends' husbands to do the hard stuff! amazing! It is always burnt to a crisp on the outside and raw inside!

Posted by: waterlily58 at March 24, 2008 8:26 PM

And Cautious, I forgot to add, that if I receive an email without a kiss first to check out my possible response, then I always reply to their email and even often meet for a coffee.I have spent many a pleasant time having a cuppa , meeting someone new and exchanging conversation even if they don't fit into my desired criteria. You can't always judge a book by its cover and there might be something special hidden behind a not so well written profile or photo.:)

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 24, 2008 8:12 PM

Sounds like a great BBQ Bob. Can I come?

Posted by: trumanscat at March 24, 2008 8:09 PM

Aliane, you asked a question re women in charge of finances. In my parents case, my father had charge of anything to do with the money and he gave mum her allowance each week, out of which she had to buy the food and clothe the family. She mangaed well but was extremely careful,believed in recycling and repairing and panicked if an unexpected bill came in, such as medicine if we got sick.She used to go without a lot but dad always managed to get a new car when he wanted.
In my case, I managed the bank accounts, bills and weekly spending because I had learnt some of my mum's thrifty ways. But we both purchased new things, neither went without more than the other and when we divorced we had paid off 2 homes so we each got one and neither needed to take on a mortgage.Think you have to agree as to whether one partner manages the money or you manage it together.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 24, 2008 8:01 PM

secretary1, I have been reading the blogs occasionally recently without commenting, as the return to the old days of delayed postings was too frustrating. However, your comments really hit a note with me, as I'm going through exactly the same thing as you mentioned and it really hurts, doesn't it? I was only seeing my ex for six months, but yes, within 3 weeks of us splitting up, he too has moved on to someone else without any kind of "grieving" period. That of course has made me feel like all the time we had together was meaningless and that I am totally disposable. Perhaps that's not the case, but that's how it feels, and I hate it. I hope this passes for you (and me!) as soon as possible :)

Posted by: malsie at March 24, 2008 7:53 PM

I am coming to your next bbq NGGift- Perths description reminded me of how much I did when my ex decided we should entertain with a bbq. And when all the guests had gone home he would fall asleep on the lounge(due to over indulgence of alcohol) and I would be left to clean up.
Cautious-please re read my 1.38 blog re stamp spending. I did say that if one intitiates with a kiss then that person ( the initiator) should spend the stamp with an email. It's what i do and I am always smiling.
:)

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 24, 2008 7:39 PM

Well, BFMat, I did try to post an encouraging blog last night but it hasn't seen the light of day, although it took me eight tries to get it as far as the moderator. So I just sent you an encouragement kiss which I hope you won't misinterpret. Although, who knows whether this message will make it to the blogs either?

What an uncertain world we live in.

Posted by: pommysheila at March 24, 2008 7:22 PM

Lurker - your personas are very two dimensional - reminds me of Dame Edna ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 24, 2008 6:40 PM

I seem to be the WICOE here...actually the ADULT in charge....although finding it easier to delegate chores to the kids...how nice. However, must admit after being married for a decade and then some, I didn't do the cooking or the shopping, lots of house chores were done while I was working two jobs, the joys of a shiftworker in the house who found cooking "therapeutic" (who am I to say don't do it!).

However, those first few ventures to the supermarket once single again were something to behold. It took us eons to get the groceries done, kept missing things off the list. But like riding a bike, you soon pick it up again - but it'd be nice to have someone to share the load occasionally...

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 24, 2008 6:36 PM

"My ex is back "out there already" after only about 3 weeks since our break up from a year long relationship. I knew that it would be an inevitability but it was the brevity of his "grieving period" that really shocked me. I'm still "unravelling" the emotional and spiritual connections to him, which will take quite a tad longer than he has (even though it had only been a year-long relationship). I guess that is the difference again between men and women. We "emotionalise" experiences, men "departmentalise" (for want of better adjectives) - not that there is anything wrong with either way, we are just "wired" differently.I've probably left myself wide open here for a public "spraying" :-) Anyway, must go now, time for a cup of tea! :-) Gee, these blogs are addictive :-), Regards Jacqui. x

Posted by: secretary1 at March 24, 2008 1:19 PM"

Jacqui - he may be "out there" but is he really? He may still be grieving or emotional but just trying his best to get on with things. I once had a bad break up and tried my best to get on with life a few weeks later .... but it didn't work out that way. Sometimes we try our best to be strong but still struggle internally. Good luck to you and maybe just take it slowly .... there are plenty of nice people out there who will be understanding if you are honest with them.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 24, 2008 5:35 PM

RSVP (Karina)
I find it hard to believe that this site is not proffitable enough to the Fairfax group that they could not put a fulltime crew on 24/7 to oversee the conduct of the contents of the blogs. It would be simply a matter of first requiring participants to register if they wish to blog, if they transgress the boundries of good taste, delete them from that topic, do it a set number of times and your out ( that excludes Marcus, he has already established he is to much of a milch cow to exclude LOL). I honestly think it would expand your clientelle. At the moment I am undecided whether to stay or buy stamps, I have kisses sent to me that I have not responded to because of this uncertainty. Just my thoughts on the subject, Maybe a topic to explore for enlightenment.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 24, 2008 5:26 PM

Hi all, back again... Did we all have a lovely easter??? I did and will say no more!!!!!

Hey VDU just as the natives are getting restless we have activity.. Good timing...

TC.. has been a while for you too or did I just miss your comments?? So hard to follow now that it's not in real time.. Damn..

Bill.. What on earth were you thinking?? Maggots?? Best you don't answer that!!

Perth @4.38.. You're spot on there lady.. That's the only kind of BBQ l ever had both over in the west and here in Vic.

Bob, you must be one of the few exceptions to the rule if you do all of the work..I take my hate off to you..
To the rest of you men (I'm sure there are a "few"of you out there who do the same as Bob), please don't go jumping down my throat ok... Just stating my case as it was.. Note... I did say was.. With a bit of luck, maybe the next man I get to spend some time with will be a love and at least share the load.. Said kneeling and palms together so maybe just maybe!!!

That's my lot for today.. Check you all tomorrow...
Have a good one ..."G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 24, 2008 5:02 PM

Timewarp

I wish to apologise for the tone of my 6.47 post of yesterday afternoon, it was most intemperate, and went way over what I should have said, or how I should have said it.

Posted by: virgil at March 24, 2008 4:52 PM

Thanks to Aliane, OG, Virgil for your kind welcomes! :-). Really enjoying your blogs... Yes, I was a tad miffed that the Crows didn't get over the line yesterday Virgil! Never mind.....!! It's the beginning of the season...
Speak soon, Jac.

Posted by: secretary1 at March 24, 2008 4:42 PM

Welcome Jacqui... Glad you're finding the blogs interesting!!! We were posting in real time until recently but unfortunately we are ALL being moderated until the powers that be can find a way to stop some of the "nasties" that have a way of infiltrating the site.. No doubt we'll end up with a workable solution but in the meantime???

Anyway, enjoy and good luck with your search... "G"...

Posted by: amdoingit at March 24, 2008 4:42 PM

The BBQ was received as a joke from a friend and is not a true indication of me at all. I found the ideal way of cooking barbecue style years ago, buy the beer and the meat and seafood and then watch the men 'fight' over who cleans the best, who cooks the best. I have a lovely time wandering around with a glass of wine, patting the occasional back and happily being served wonderfully cooked food. I, of course, in return have glowing compliments for all the men and just 'love their jokes' and even add a few of my own. Not worried about cleaning up the barbecue as I am sure someone 'will show me how' so all's well and we all have a great time.....lol

Posted by: iaminperth at March 24, 2008 4:38 PM

Hi secretary1,
Sorry to hear that you have been through a sad time. I think you are right, in many cases women "read" a lot more into a relationship than a man does. You hear of a lot of cases where a couple have been together for months or (even worse!) years, and the woman views the relationship as something committed and a real partnership, while the man just sees it as a casual relationship that he can he can leave anytime and hardly even look back, even though he may be quite "fond" of the woman.
He uses excuses such as he's "not ready to settle down yet" but then sometimes the next woman he meets, he marries!

I'm not sure how you can get around this, although at a recent bloggers meet, we discussed this issue with the blokes; it seems if he really does want you he will do anything to be with you; if he isn't that keen he really isn't all that interested, no matter what he SAYS. It's actions that count, not words!!
There is a book called "He's just not that into you" by Greg Behrendt & Liz Tuccillo, and I have decided that I may just make that my "bible" for ever!!
On reading it, you'll recognise all the games that blokes play. I realised that even though I was married to my ex-husband for 22 years, with him for 24 years and we had 4 children together, he was really never "that into me" which is why he treated me like crap for most of our years together!! And why he recovered so quickly when we finally separated!
We discussed the idea with the guys at our blogs meet and although they thought maybe it was a bit exaggerated, that basically it was true, if they really loved and cared for a woman they would do ANYTHING for her!
Which to follow the blog subject is why real WICOE's partners and spouses don't need evening classes on how to be a great partner, they just "shape up or ship out" as the saying goes!!

I'm sure this won't make you feel any better secretary, but it may be something to look for in the future (mind you I'm probably not a good advisor, so far no dates on RSVP and only the odd peck or two!! But then I have to confess I never really expected much anyway, I think I might be a little too bossy, outspoken and not good-looking or young enough for most men of my generation!)
I hope you feel better soon.

Iaminperth,
My oldest son sent me those "BBQ Rules", he thought they were hilarious and pretty much had applied in our house! (and usually happened in most of his "attached" friends houses as well!)

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 24, 2008 4:35 PM

Loved your barby post, laminperth, remimds me of how they were some years back.
When my MOTH aka sonnyboy gets to cook, he prepares, cooks and cleans up and usually does a pretty good meal too.
Notgodsgift, sounds like you have the barby biz all sorted......
I must say l am not a barby type, don't mind if someone else does all the legwork and l just indulge, so l guess l am not a WICOE, there l do have some failings..................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 24, 2008 4:33 PM

Cautious8
Good to hear you are progressive about contact here it is a nice contrast with some of the ossified behaviour I encounter.
Re your earlier post response about performance cars. It may not rule me out as a tosser but I have a CAMS competition licence, run and won in a few minor championship races and have been an instructor.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 24, 2008 4:32 PM

WICOE - do we have a choice? I married a man who, until the day he moved in with me, never made his bed, paid a bill, or cooked a meal. His idea of hanging out my hand-knitted jumpers was to drape them over the back fence. His mother dutifully did all those tasks. I really beleive it was to his detriment as he was unable to handle the most basic of tasks, or to organise himself, or to multi-skill, or to appreciate the amount of work generated in a normal household.

Now I'm single and ahem, 'independent', I wonder about the finger-pointing and assumptions that frequently go with such euphemisms. I'm a WICOE because no-one else is around to do it, not because I think no-one else is better qualified to do it. My teenagers are learning the value of helping around the house and my ex recently told our son that he (the son) does far more than his father ever did. I think that's sad.

Secretary1 on the subject of men re-entering the dating field so promptly, I sometimes think that it's because the idea of being alone with one's thoughts is scary and in the end, many choose not to take that much more challenging route of self-work. The path of least resistance is the one that usually provides the fewest lessons. Perhaps that's all you can have to comfort yourself with for now.

Oh and Virgil, I had a very witty response to your concerns about people who change their profile names, but it appears the mods are assessing the suitability of my comments, seeing as I'm a newbie and all. Either that or I stuffed it up. It's been known to happen.

Posted by: guiltypleasure at March 24, 2008 4:29 PM

Warped.
A couple of your recent posts have been a bit concerning. Lack of feeling in your extremities is diagnostic of diabetes. Doctors are cheap old son.
Cheers

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 24, 2008 4:23 PM

God made woman to be in charge of evrything because -
God worried that Adam would be lost in the Garden of Eden because he wouldn't ask for directions.

God knew that someday Adam would need someone to hand him the TV remote. ( men don't want to see what's ON TV; they want to see WHAT ELSE is on.)

God knew that Adam would never make a doctor's appointment.

God knew that when Adam's fig leaf wore out, he would never buy a new one for himself.

God knew that Adam would not remember to take out the rubbish.

God wanted man to be fruitful and multiply, but he knew Adam would never be able to handle labor pains and childbirth.

As "keeper of the garden," Adam would need help in finding his tools.

Adam needed someone to blame for the Apple Incident, and for anything else that was really his fault.

As the Bible says: "It is not good for man to be alone."

And the No. 1 reason of all . . .

God stepped back, looked at Adam, and declared: "I can do better than that."

(from the humour archives)

Posted by: jenjen57 at March 24, 2008 3:51 PM

VDU - I am just hoping we will all soon be allowed to post live once more. The long delays mean it has all become very disjointed and there is no longer any real exchange of ideas or communication any more. Plus its back to the good old days it seems of sign in, not signed in etc.......

Posted by: jenjen57 at March 24, 2008 3:43 PM

If I kiss I email. If they kiss they email. It is an easy protocol to follow.

Well said cautious my sentiments exactly.

Posted by: virgil at March 24, 2008 3:28 PM

Hi Iaminperth,

Read your blog re BBQ's and have to say that maybe in Perth things are very different to Sydney.

When I do a BBQ, I prepare the meat, marinade etc, and do everything associated with that. If the women want salads etc.....fine (normally just go and buy them), but with my BBQs.....usually just meat and seafood (maybe a few roasted veges)...which I prepare. No dishes...plastic plates and utensils....no beer fetching....your mates do that, or esky next to BBQ......really is girls night off!!

Also....every season is BBQ season here...but love Perth......nearly moved there many years ago.

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at March 24, 2008 2:56 PM

Just a quick note to say thank you to those who have offered support and advice lately.

It's encouraging to see that there are some really nice people out there.

cheers

Posted by: boyfriendmaterial at March 24, 2008 2:48 PM

How far along the blogs have come from 8 or 9 months ago.
Remember the active lobbying of RSVP to have the posts put on relatively quickly?
It used to take days before a single post would hit the blogs.
We would be, enmasse, sitting by the computer, salivating, waiting for the next deluge.
United in our desire to communicate, share our experiences.

And now...?
vicious nastiness rears it's head & infiltrates even the most innocous blogs, an energy of itself.

But I suspect some people get off on that, creating mayhem & angst because quite possibly they can't sit at home with their own...

Posted by: trumanscat at March 24, 2008 2:31 PM

It's 2.02pm on the 24th and the last visible post is 5.58pm on the 23rd... looks like I'll have to read my book instead!!!

Posted by: victoriadownunder at March 24, 2008 2:05 PM

Dear Bloggers, I will leave my profile visible for the next 24 hours or so, so as you may have a read (yoicks.... scary.... :-)). I feel it would be very rude and ill-mannered of me not to.:-) I will then go back to being hidden for a while as I am not ready to "get back out there" so to speak. Had a bit of a down night last night :-(. Feeling a bit sad and alone this Easter, but I'll get over my self-wallowing soon Lol!! (ps. another great wallowing song, Thirsty Merc's "Crying in Denial"!). I've just read the previous blog 'Dating after a break up" - very helpful comments and many of which I agree with, Thank you! It's nice to know that there are so many decent and lovely people out there in RSVP bloggersland :-)! Am feeling a tad disillusioned, (or is it just shell-shock) at the moment in regards to relationships, but am so glad to have stumbled onto this blogging section on RSVP. Nevertearusapart and amberlight, I read your previous topic blogs about your experiences on RSVP and felt many pangs of sympathy for you.My ex is back "out there already" after only about 3 weeks since our break up from a year long relationship. I knew that it would be an inevitability but it was the brevity of his "grieving period" that really shocked me. I'm still "unravelling" the emotional and spiritual connections to him, which will take quite a tad longer than he has (even though it had only been a year-long relationship). I guess that is the difference again between men and women. We "emotionalise" experiences, men "departmentalise" (for want of better adjectives) - not that there is anything wrong with either way, we are just "wired" differently.I've probably left myself wide open here for a public "spraying" :-) Anyway, must go now, time for a cup of tea! :-) Gee, these blogs are addictive :-), Regards Jacqui. x

Posted by: secretary1 at March 24, 2008 1:19 PM

Perth,
better move East, you are obviously mixing with the wrong type and/or age group of men over there. The women in my family love it as we men do the lot, including the washing up and garbage disposal in my Clan.

Secretary1 (Jac)
If you dip your toe (Just dont let TW dip his) in the water you will more than likely find it is not cold and at times can get decidedly hot, having said that, come in out of the cold, you have done the hardest thing so far, actually got a post on screen, also deciding to join in. No doubt all the others will extend their welcomes as I do to you.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 24, 2008 1:11 PM

Hi Secretaty1....no worries, you can scrabbles my name as you like cos if you got right that's my real name in life. :)
Happy Easter too....

Posted by: aliane at March 24, 2008 12:35 PM

It looks like our moderator has come in for his/her monday holiday shift, up to 5.58pm yesterday atm, wonder what delights await us from the evenings posts.

Welcome secretary1.

Perth, I would have thought we entered the BBQ season around the day the mighty Eagles got beaten in the finals, as that is traditionally the day WA goes from winter to summer?

At least we beat Brissy this time round.

Poor old Crows, getting beaten by the Bulldogs, a bit hard to take, at least it was in Melbourne.

Posted by: virgil at March 24, 2008 12:27 PM

Hi Secretary1...thank you so much, nice compliment indeed.

I'm so delighted people loved and praise my blogpost, mixture of witty, humorous and real life stories I wrote.

I'm glad I was accepted to contribute although English is only my second language.

Perhaps good enough Not English my main language...otherwise...I am their Worst Nightmare !.....:))

Posted by: aliane at March 24, 2008 12:18 PM

Could we just moved on specific Topics, Women in charge of everything please...

My question does also Women In Charge in Finances?
Does men hold only his payslip? While women got the bank account balances?
This subjected interest only those couples how they managed their incomes and expenditures....
Just opinion..thanks

Posted by: aliane at March 24, 2008 11:56 AM

The best way to deal with maggots, is not to let the blowflies in.
Foresight and prevention are the best remedies/ antidotes/ vaccinations for anything (including dating on RSVP!)

Iaminperth - how to regain attention at BBQs - show up naked & bring drinks! ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 24, 2008 11:41 AM

Will try and catch up on the blogs. Is pretty hard and so disjointed at the moment.
But just wanted to let you know there was an interesting article in the Sunday Magazine with the Herald Sun here in Melb, (Not sure what paper its with in other states).
The article was titled 'Silver Divorce' and is about the rising stats on long term relationship break-ups. (over say 25 years).
Was quite interesting and covered dating again and had references to RSVP.
Hope some of you get the chance to read it.

Posted by: jenniferhi at March 24, 2008 10:02 AM

Virgil, I have a conspiracy theory as to people who blog while maintaining a hidden profile.

They're all Pies supporters Virgil. Traitors in the ranks.

They must be stopped at once. I suggest manning the barricades.

Posted by: guiltypleasure at March 24, 2008 2:18 AM

Q: If you change your profile name does it come up as a new listing?

Posted by: cautious08 at March 24, 2008 1:51 AM

blueeyes1955@1.38pm
If you send a kiss you are initiating contact and i would have thought would be expected to follow up. If you want the old standards to apply wait to be kissed and then they can email you.
If I kiss I email. If they kiss they email. It is an easy protocol to follow. Why should the males on this site be expected to pay for every contact. Sorry but it seems a tad unfair to me.
If you want the contact I would have thought it was a small price to pay. It could be your future happiness. It could be worth it. Take a chance smile, and email.

Posted by: cautious08 at March 24, 2008 1:43 AM

Wishful @ 3.52pm Sunday: Think of it as Show and Tell, or at least Tell, and remember that eating at the computer is unhealthy. Food deserves proper attention during consumption, to increase the flow of digestive enzymes.

I thought it was a bit different from the usual boring old suburban routine. And thanks to Virgil's response, it led on to some more significant stuff about fastidiousness vs. charity.

Mother Teresa was into that in a big way. She has taken saintliness back 1900 years to its muscular roots, and has refocussed some of the Church onto far higher goals for pastoral care. Definitely a Good Egg, all year.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 24, 2008 12:03 AM

G'day Bloggers, I would like to answer a question, about why some people change their profile names.
I decided I should change mine, & all my passwords, because someone was hacking into my account, & changing things, blocking & ignoring people, I changed my password, but it kept happening, so I changed everything, & only let 1 person know about it, I have not had a problem since.

Posted by: crossy45 at March 23, 2008 10:01 PM

Hello.... is anybody in there... nod if you can hear me... is there anyone home...?

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 23, 2008 9:55 PM

I don't understand the name-change thing either. For instance, I sent an email to a member a while ago. He never replied and shortly afterwards he changed his name and profile pic. However, he still has the same preamble, same details etc, so he still shows up on my match list and is very obviously the same person.

There is another man I had to block some time ago for "e-stalking" who changes his name regularly.(For anyone who's never had cause to block somebody, name changes are recorded on your blocked list.) I think he's on his third or fourth identity in as many months.

I don't understand the maggot thing either, and nor do I want to :)

Posted by: pommysheila at March 23, 2008 8:38 PM

Time warp?
I really am disapointed in you. I had thought you had transcended the age barrier. At 72 fitter than me at 56. I dont really understand what could have possibly affected your mind such that you thought sharing at this level is acceptable on RSVP.

I would be embararassed to admit such a monumental neglect of personal hygene to my doctor, yet you feel this is an acceptable topic for a dating site.?

Do you have advanced alsheimers disease?

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 6:47 PM

Why do people change their profile names? I have often wondered about this ... don't people want continuity? Are they perhaps ashamed of things they have said in the past or are they hiding from a previous partner/lover? To me this is a curious thing ... but then again I just had 2 glasses of wine with my Easter lunch so maybe it's just me.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 23, 2008 3:23 PM
WnW tis an affection of loosers, who feel we are idiots, like richardcranium, who mostly want to come on here and slag off on our lovely ladies because they lack the courage to attack the blokes.
This farce has been going on longer than I have been here, and will continue till enough of us say enough.

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 6:11 PM

I'm really confused as to why bloggers are being subjected to tales of maggots? Not something I care to read over my lunch, nor at all relevant.....

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 23, 2008 3:52 PM

TW gross, gross gross

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 5:58 PM

BF Material, your post re girl's profile saying she doesn't want to chase men, yet sends you a "kiss" and then snubs your email! How bizarre and utterly rude and patronizing of her...I truly believe that "what goes around comes around" to those that do disservices to others. Chin up mate... I don't blame you for being angry. Jac
p.s. sorry Aliane, I spelt your namely incorrectly before. Apologies :-)

Posted by: secretary1 at March 23, 2008 5:58 PM

A bit off topic but I would like to wish everyone a Happy Easter and I hope it brought you all happiness and for some love. Keep blogging

Posted by: jaspercat at March 23, 2008 5:45 PM

Hi everyone, just wanted to say hi and am very much enjoying your blogs! I haven't been on RSVP for about a year and this is my first time that I have blogged so please be gentle :-). I am very much enjoying your witty, insightful "tongue in cheek" banter, as well as some very interesting and provocative comments by some members. I have my profile hidden at the moment as not yet ready to "dip my toes" back in the RSVP pool! Onwards and upwards is my current motto ;-) ... I may be brave and just "jump into the deep end" sometime this week and go back on view... just need a bit of time to heal... anyway... Alaine, I love your posts and they crack me up every time, thanks for making it easier to smile again :-). Hello too to WnW, wishfulthinker03, Auntykaz, OG, and all the regulars! Cheers to you all and Happy Easter. Jac.

Posted by: secretary1 at March 23, 2008 5:42 PM

PS to mine to Virgil this arvo: I forgot to mention that before the overuse of penecillin cream on every skin lesion when I was a teenager, impetigo was endemic everywhere - another hazard for foot-washers. (= school sores)

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 23, 2008 5:27 PM

Boyfriendmaterial: some people have bad manners, some play games and some are just plain weird. I wouldn't waste my time wondering which category this one falls into, she ain't worth it! You look great so my advice (for what it's worth) would be keep on keeping on.

Posted by: pommysheila at March 23, 2008 5:17 PM

No Gemini, certainly not directed at anyone specific and I can understand and appreciate that but some people blog forever with their profiles hidden and that's a bit off putting I think and you would have to wonder why. Never mind, I do wish we could just blog though because replies are being heavily manipulated now to turn the whole conversation. Now maggots seem to be the topic and it really is getting very school yard here and I find a bit offensive being treated like this by the management of this site.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 23, 2008 4:52 PM

Hi all, yes I did consider leaving the answers to my 5 questions for a later post but given the current moderator delay in posting I decided it was better to post Q&A all at once. You never know if I had just posted the questions the answers may not have seen light of day in a seperate post!

Really, I did not have an easter egg chocolate induced brain fade that early in the day.

I hope easter has been treating you all well, personally it would be great if the WICOE could visit my house for a few days. Since this is not case it's time to cook a bolar roast for my soon to arrive visitors.

WnW the glasses of wine sounds like an excellent idea, I'll add that to the menu for later tonight.

Posted by: willow1059 at March 23, 2008 4:51 PM

BBQ RULES
We are about to enter the BBQ season. Therefore it is important to refresh your memory on the etiquette of this sublime outdoor cooking activity.
When a man volunteers to do the BBQ the following chain of events are put into motion:

Routine...
(1) The woman buys the food.
(2) The woman makes the salad, prepares the vegetables, and makes dessert.
(3) The woman prepares the meat for cooking, places it on a tray along with the necessary cooking utensils and sauces, and takes it to the man who is lounging beside the grill - beer in hand.

(4) The woman remains outside the compulsory three meter exclusion zone where the exuberance of testosterone and other manly bonding activities can take place without the interference of the woman.
Here comes the important part:
(5) THE MAN PLACES THE MEAT ON THE GRILL.

More routine...
(6) The woman goes inside to organize the plates and cutlery.
(7) The woman comes out to tell the man that the meat is looking great. He thanks her and asks if she will bring another beer while he flips the meat .

Important again:
(8) THE MAN TAKES THE MEAT OFF THE GRILL AND HANDS IT TO THE WOMAN.
More routine...
(9) The woman prepares the plates, salad, bread, utensils, napkins, sauces, and brings them to the table.
(10) After eating, the woman clears the table and does the dishes.

And most important of all:
(11) Everyone PRAISES the MAN and THANKS HIM for his cooking efforts.
(12) The man asks the woman how she enjoyed "her night off." And, upon seeing her annoyed reaction, concludes that there's just no pleasing some women...

I rest my case guys..................lol

Posted by: iaminperth at March 23, 2008 4:38 PM

Virgil @ 12.15am last night: My money says that Justsaying is not Marcus the Mono-profiled, and is definitely not Earl Naughtyfish and his serial aliases either.

Quite different basic underlying psychology and motivations are visible, even before you read between the lines.

To resurrect an old cliche - 3 different kettles of fish, Virgil.

and Virgil @ 2.56pm today: Sorry to have reminded you of your considerable fastidiousness, mate. (and wishful too)

I was very interested in your great awkwardness about Maundy Thursday's ritual of washing strangers' feet, carefully pre-washed at home to avoid offence.

It got me thinking of further back, when the feet were bare or wearing the new roman-type open strap sandals, when home sometimes didn't run even to a basin, let alone a shower - and when powdered horse and/or camel manure was a major constituent of roadside dust.

That was when the foot-washing ritual really sorted out the people whose charity was not up to Jesus' standards for unfastidious unselfishness. I recall a term "muscular Christianity" from somewhere.

Speaking of sandals, I'm really looking forward to tennis tonight, with my enormous hospital toe bandage sticking out the front. Cheers dears.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 23, 2008 4:38 PM

Dear Virgil, Many thanks for your kind comments. I hear what you say...I love Brissy, so even though I'm sure (and have heard) Adelaide is lovely....all the best.I hope we can both find someone nice, genuine, HONEST and down to earth on here. I'm very big on honesty and sometimes do wonder why others are not? Take care. :-)

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 23, 2008 4:34 PM

Sorry timewarp but waaaay too much information regarding your toe.....
Ewwwwwwww.............K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 23, 2008 4:33 PM

Hi Woody,

I dont see anything strange in changing a profile name - did it myself a while back. Reason was that when joining RSVP, I just put something in without thinking too much about it. After a while got to thinking about that a bit and appealed to me that I was "not gods gift" to women (though I think sometimes we try to be) - and there you have it, a message conveyed at the very start to try to downplay the stuff I have to write in the profile.....pretty damn clever of me I thought!!!

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at March 23, 2008 4:22 PM

wishfulthinker - I agree, not at all interesting, sorry Bill.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 23, 2008 4:18 PM

I'm really confused as to why bloggers are being subjected to tales of maggots? Not something I care to read over my lunch, nor at all relevant.....

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 23, 2008 3:52 PM

Why do people change their profile names? I have often wondered about this ... don't people want continuity? Are they perhaps ashamed of things they have said in the past or are they hiding from a previous partner/lover? To me this is a curious thing ... but then again I just had 2 glasses of wine with my Easter lunch so maybe it's just me.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 23, 2008 3:23 PM

Cautious08 @ 9.38pm: That was real wit - AND many a true word spoken in jest. Thank you thank you.

And good on you for using a passport photo in your profile - how honest can a person get? I was really impressed, because even mine is softened with a smile.

Amber @ 12.04am: One of the most useful pieces I've seen on the blogs. Worth keeping and rereading.

Justsaying @ midday, Mexican time: Thanks for all the useful info. Will have got blown in between dressings - while air-drying the toe for about 15 mins after daily showering. I had noticed a viviparous brown blowfly in the kitchen a few days ago. (They lay already-hatched maggots.)

Must get my landlord to patch the hole in the gauze, now that the Bunny has been. (Lindt 70% dark egg + egglets - my favourite, thank you daughter dear.) The nail's off now, so no damp refuge. Seeyez all.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 23, 2008 1:54 PM

I wouldn't be too pleased either BFmaterial.But don't let that deter you from checking out the majority of people who are hopefully better mannered.I do think though that the person who sends the initial kiss should be the one who sends the stamp.
Marcus, thanks for the offer of the trimmer but already bought one-and no it is not a use and throw away type. Now I am in the market to buy a blower-have too large a patio for sweeping. As in the words of S.siesta "I am also a woman in charge of everything at my place" and would be happy to hand over the reigns sometimes.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 23, 2008 1:38 PM

TW I wonder what ever made you share that information in this blog.

What about topical, Maudy Thursday (the day before good friday) incorporates a service where parishoners was each others feet. Needless to say we all have a good wash before going to church that night.

That is the most confronting to me of all the things that are part of easter, I feel washing a strangers feet is to use a term my children use, really gross.

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 12:56 PM

Re timewarp1 at March 22, 2008 6:53 PM.

Fly strike (maggot infestation of flesh) occurs when flies are "attracted to sick/dirty/dying or slow (too slow to avoid the flies) animals".

Also, "There is the potential for the maggots to enter the body and travel along the spine under the skin - causing paralysis/death."

Powdered pesticides can be used to treat the maggot infested site; antibiotics if the body needs to fight off a secondary systematic infection.

The old-fashioned economical treatment was firstly removing obvious fouling from the infected site and then washing the area with diesel or petrol. Vinegar tends to kill a lot of little beasties too.

But best of all is like iaminperth said at March 23, 2008 9:59 AM, " Maggots under your toenail, why don't you just try washing........,"

Along those lines of keeping susceptible areas "clean", good old-fashioned water sluicing does work wonders.
If not, it's a good idea to keep open wounds completely covered, when you're unable to swat flies away.

Another wonderful old-fashioned deterent for those pesky flies besides cleanliness, is to have flyscreens fitted to your abode.

After all, I'm sure the Easter Bunny would have been and gone by now and not fussed by such barriers, holy or not.

Posted by: justsaying at March 23, 2008 12:00 PM

iaminperth: your comments about hidden profiles were not directed at me specifically, but I would like to respond.

The reason I (recently) hid my profile is because I kept getting kisses after I had responded to someone. I don't like sending rejections, so I figured it would be better to hide my profile.

I will unhide my profile for one week for anyone who wants to have a look.

I have only ever had one profile name in the two years I have been on RSVP.

And for the record, I do buy stamps, plus RSViP. I have two unused stamps at the moment. Would you like me to send you an email?

Virgil: I looked at your profile a few weeks ago, as I have many fellow bloggers. If you have RSViP you would have seen my name in your sidebar.

Aliane: Thank you for your comments. Yes, a lot of my fridge magnets are mementos of places I have been, and a friend brought me one from Hong Kong Disneyland when she recently visited there. Some are fun ones, like my frog. I have several with teddy bears on them. One says, "If no one else loves you, your teddy bear always will". I gave one to my Mum once. It said, "Sometimes I wake up grumpy, and sometimes I let him sleep". My Dad can be a bit grumpy sometimes! But then so can we all!

Posted by: geminipom at March 23, 2008 11:33 AM

boyfriendmaterial - totally understand - looks like women are not the only ones on the recieving end of all the shennanigans! But on the bright side, nice to see there ARE some nice people around (even if different age/state!)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 23, 2008 10:30 AM

Ladies - take care - what some men "want" might not be what you are looking for on RSVP.

Posted by: riversong1 at March 23, 2008 10:18 AM

'Middle eastern appearance' in inverted commas is the familiar police euphemism for somebody who may look semitic; perhaps olive skin and a particular hair color and facial features. It was an attempt at humour.
Religions are enemies of logic and rationality.

Marcus....it's generalisations like this that can cause conflict...using Middle Eastern and semitic in the same sentence is just going to confuse many...

If it was indeed an "attempt at humour" it was a poor one.....cant we leave this sort of thing that is easily open to misinterpretation out of the blogs?

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 23, 2008 10:09 AM

Maggots under your toenail, why don't you just try washing........YuuuuuuK!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: iaminperth at March 23, 2008 9:59 AM

There is one woman here who appreciates a high performance car; although I am more concerned with how it corners than flat line speed. Anyone can drive in a straight line! I evaluate the car and driver separately. Some cars deserve homage even though the drivers are tossers.

Posted by: cautious08 at March 22, 2008 9:38 PM
There is a saying, there are people who make things happen, others who watch things happen, still others who wonder what happened.

I am sure we all alternate between the various states, though many people of the "alpha" persuasion would disagree.

When I read the above piece, I felt firmly in the third place.

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 9:46 AM

Happy Easter to ALL...

Posted by: aliane at March 23, 2008 9:43 AM

Thanks riverslong. 6.07PM
Would you buy groceries from the same place for years if you weren't getting what you wanted?
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 23, 2008 3:47 AM

Larfsandbarfs to see a skate board as an extension of the penis is quite a stretch...
Possibly would rather see some sort of appendage that may actually mean penile extention as a skeatboard is more a kids toy, is it not????

But hey, whatever gets you through the night......................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 23, 2008 2:51 AM

laughsandtalks – it’s not hard to see why 2000 emails have got you no-where :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 6:07 PM
Riversong, please do not presume anything like that.

The first and main assumption we can make about Marcus, is that he is highly intelligent, this is clearly evident to all but the thickest visitors to this blog.

From that, can we assume he has invested nearly $5000 for no return?

Marcus has shown us his committment to RSVP.

Marcus does not brag about his success rate, as it is usually only unsuccessful people who tell you how good they are.

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 12:51 AM

Welcome to the blogs SunrizeSiesta your profile is excellent, and I am a visual person who usually likes to see a photo, so was very impressed by your profile that i would have sent a "kiss" but as I dont want to leave Adelaide, I will admire from afar.

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 12:35 AM

Marcus, i enjoy your slants but I for one, do not want to see aunty chainyankers body, the slouch is enough for me.

Posted by: roy57 at March 22, 2008 6:49 PM
ahh another of the lurker variety, who attempts humour by slaging off at one of the lovely women here.

Roy, let me tell you a secret, whilst new to the blogs, dont try to copy the style of our regulars, at first, please just post polite comments.

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 12:25 AM

Justsaying aka necroticflesh?
hmm yeah Marcus, and altersheiber & Richardcranium or whatever. I acknowledge I am wrong, your writing style is quite likely copied by several wannabes.

I will accept pastor or again whatever, but would prefer Eagle, as that is my main footy team, Crows, second WCE member 20 years Crows member 2 months.

Easter is a very spiritual time for me, with time for reflection, particularly at 2 to 3 am good friday morning, look at what is working in my life and what is not.

I feel my core beliefs would be more in line with your own, than they would be with a born again Christian, or a Roman Catholic.

Posted by: virgil at March 23, 2008 12:15 AM

Hi Willow,
Hope you are enjoying being the Easter Bunny for your little ones.
Yes, I agree you should have left the answers for a later post, but then mind you (sadly) I actually wouldn't have "got" any of the answers anyway!
Although I obviously saw immediately once I read them!
(Well I never said I was particularly "clever"!)

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 23, 2008 12:11 AM

Hello Eveyone,
Hope you are having a lovely Easter, and are sharing fellowship with friends and/or family.
I consider my self very lucky that my 2 older sons still live close by and call in, although I know that may not be for too much longer!!
I read a thought-provoking article in a Women's Weekly I borrowed from work (dated February 2008: Women's Weekly; I know, sorry guys!!) about children leaving home. It by Gretel Killeen and I have to say I had to agree with a lot of her sentiments!
Yes, it is our role to raise our children to be strong and independent enough to leave us when the right time comes for them.
I think it may be a little harder for those of us on our own when that time comes, men and women, (unless of course, they have stayed so long we are desperate for them to leave!! In that case, maybe we didn't do such a good job?!) and we owe to to our kids to at least have an independent life, whether we are with or without a partner to share our future years with.
We give so much of our lives to our kids; yet it is only right/natural that they should feel good about moving on with their own lives and not feeling in anyway responsible for our happiness.

My own mother seems never to have learned that lesson, and I have a brother in his mid 40s who "ran back home to mum" when his marriage broke up in his late 20s/early 30s and he has never left!
Why he has stayed so long, I have no idea. My mother idolised my brother when he was growing up, he could do no wrong.
My mother seems to think that this is okay; I can see the "pay-off" for her, she has never had to take responsibility for her own life since he moved in with her. I guess for him it is the same really. But he has no contact with his children (he couldn't be bothered; he was too hurt!) and it seems a rather sad and wasted life to me.

Yes, I want my children to care, but not to feel obliged to keep me company for ever!!

I guess that is another reason to look for long-term partner, (but not to grab on to the first person who comes along: unless they are really the kind of person we are looking for, of course!) not because we are scared of being alone and desperate, but to make sure we won't ever be tempted to turn into a negative WICOE, the mother (and/or Mother-in-law) from hell!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 23, 2008 12:04 AM

There is one woman here who appreciates a high performance car; although I am more concerned with how it corners than flat line speed. Anyone can drive in a straight line! I evaluate the car and driver separately. Some cars deserve homage even though the drivers are tossers.

Posted by: cautious08 at March 22, 2008 9:38 PM

Blueeyes and the Rude Fellow at Bunnings.

Reading between the lines and as a bloke who has for a time worked on garden care equipment I can say that Bunnings el cheapo Chinese electric line trimmers are without exception toys. As soon as you ask them to do a bit of hard work they struggle.
Soon after they struggle they die and you then suffer the annoyance of finding that they are generally unfixable; no parts availability or sealed design.
There may now be good 240 volt units available from the power tool makers like Bosch and Makita- probably not through Bunnings as they cater for bottom end stuff. though to get the grunt a proper tool needs for this job means a decent high speed motor akin to a medium sized angle grinder and thus lots of girly unfriendly noise, vibration and torque reaction.
I removed all lawn from my place and mulched and groundcovered a few years ago. I still have my big Stihl trimmer for sale if you are interested. ;-]
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 22, 2008 8:58 PM

Changing the top from the fridge magnets. Quite Maybe it is time that women should be more in charge of their lives and forget whether they pick up their sox or not - there are far far more important things in life, i.e, maybe truth could be one and very importantly your own health. I do think a lot of women get involved and stressed out with the small stuff and have no real idea of what is really going on in their lives. And by the way I don't have a Bambino I can park a lwb four wheel drive very successfully.......Love the Yay moment !! and have had many a laugh with a sceptical audience.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 22, 2008 8:21 PM

I wish i had some connections at Bunnings Riversong. Went there to buy a new lawn edger 2 months ago and the fellow was quite rude. I wanted one suitable for a petite woman to use,with electric cord and not petrol driven. The assistant pulled down what he would use and walked off. He obviously doesn't realise that there are a lot of single women who do their own lawns. I should go into business selling boy's tools for women.And yes my garden shed is tidy too,Timewarp.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 22, 2008 7:20 PM

I remember reading some blogs here somewhere about who should spend the stamps and email who depending on whether you were male or female and who sent the first kiss etc.

So yesterday I get a kiss from this girl and I note that she says in her profile that she doesn't want to chase men and would like them to send the email. A traditional value akin to the guy phoning a potential date and not the other way around. I can live with that and she seemed pretty nice, so I spent the stamp and sent her a nice long email. complemented her on some of the things she said in her profile etc just a normal, nice email.

Her reponse?

Dear BoyfriendMaterial,

(insert name here) thanks you for your email. She is flattered that you are interested, but does not wish to correspond any further and wishes you well in your search.

Regards,
RSVP

huh?

On the positive side, it is clear to me that she was in no way the nice person I thought she was. Glad to have found out quickly :D

Thanks for reading my little rant. It's not often that I get angry.

cheers

Posted by: boyfriendmaterial at March 22, 2008 7:08 PM

Hmm well just my two cents - being a "woman who has had to do everything, I guess I am a woman in charge of everything?" Raising 3 young kids alone has not been easy. Been divorced for 10 years. Guess that's why I'm on here.... so won't have to be a woman in charge of everything.... :-)

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 22, 2008 6:56 PM

Marcus @ 3.46pm: I had been glad that you'd mentioned the persons of middle-eastern appearance who were branding themselves so very obviously as non-Jewish and non-Islamic.

It reminded me that I hope Australia will remain a country where they dare to do that.

Justsaying @ 1.21pm: Have the last word, mate. Be my guest. I've been trying to give them up for the last 40 years or so.

And while you're at it, have the last word in every exchange you ever have, with every person you ever meet. I guess you need that to feel secure.

My book-keeper has just found some maggots under my lifting toenail while she was changing the dressing. So that's why the wound had suddenly started to throb this morning, after 2 weeks of relative peace.

I've run out of sheep-dip, so I'll take myself up to Cas. and see what they hit them with these days. Seeyezall later.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 22, 2008 6:53 PM

Marcus, i enjoy your slants but I for one, do not want to see aunty chainyankers body, the slouch is enough for me.

Posted by: roy57 at March 22, 2008 6:49 PM

laughsandtalks – it’s not hard to see why 2000 emails have got you no-where :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 6:07 PM

Laughs and talks at others do you not have anything else to do with your time other than to be here all day long going on and on about religion and whatever comes to mind?
You say on one hand that you have been here for nine years and have met many women but on the other that you do not take it serious. You contradict yourself.
I think you have maybe a bad experience with the church when you are a young boy or teen to be so bitter.
You are rude to riversong about her compliment to a young man. I think you should go for an older woman and you might find the success you have been looking for all these long years. Older women have so much going for them. They have wisdom and beauty and experience. They are no more intimidated by men and are comfortable in their own skin. They lack the inhibitions of youth and make wonderful playmates and companions. Riversong could well be what cordy is looking for but she is sensible because she does not look for the younger man as fill in.
In my experinece those toyboys are not so good looking but I think your saying grab a granny is so rude. Imagine if I say to younger woman to grab a grandpa. Is horrible saying and mean to all people of older years who should be respected for what they have given to us. They should not be rudely put on shelf. You are very rude man who shows a lack of compassion and intelligence.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 22, 2008 5:50 PM

Timewarp- from the 'teach -'that's much better wording for your thoughts. I promise not to check your work for spelling errors.The use of the word "everyone" always amuses me. My kids used to try and persuade me to buy them things by saying everyone has the item, or everyone is going to the function etc.And I would say "No, not everyone.You're not."
Well this not so boring keeper of an immaculate home must get ready to depart again. Have been for a lovely day out driving and a luncheon and am heading off to dance tonight.Maybe that is why the house is immaculate- I am out most of the time having fun.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 22, 2008 5:43 PM

Alaine – ha ha ha!! Yep, we should go to Bunnings and buy the things we need – maybe Blueeyes55 could help with her connections - and build that “shed of de-clutter lesser pollution”.
I suggested “outhouse”, not “cubbyhouse” – another aussie slang – something that keeps smelly business at a good distance, and with half or full flush to wash it away ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 5:36 PM

Riverschlong.
I'm sure Cordy is extremely relieved you are not into toyboys or him into grab a granny.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 22, 2008 4:22 PM

Pastor.
Your maths are pretty good though the rate of second dates is quite a bit lower. If there is a second date a third and subsequent follow more easily. Haven't been pushing it along much this year. Have caught up with 3 or 4 girls who I met here years ago for some reminsicence and to hear stories about subsequent partnering and relationships.
Our posts crossed and I also wondered about 'justsaying' and gave my thoughts.
It is not me. One profile, I use my real name and say what I think. No need or time for subterfuge.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 22, 2008 3:59 PM

Wishful.
I didn't bring religion into the discussion, someone wished me a happy easter.
'Middle eastern appearance' in inverted commas is the familiar police euphemism for somebody who may look semitic; perhaps olive skin and a particular hair color and facial features. It was an attempt at humour.
Religions are enemies of logic and rationality. They preach that you will not lie but cannot offer a shred of evidence for their most fundamental assertion the existence of the Great Controller among many. The three monotheistic Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the sky god ones. Their god and heaven or paradise is up there just beyond the clouds apparently.
Auntykaz. I'm not depressed, quite good humored really. It is just that this dating and mating stuff is not a matter of life or death for me. The skateboard is a piss take too, of a particular sort of penis extension motorcar pretentiousness that women howl at. As it happens I have a couple of flash performance cars but know the derision some engineeringly uninformed females are apt to react with so hence the deck and trucks.
Cheers Marcarse

Justsaying aka necroticflesh?

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 22, 2008 3:46 PM

Virgil....they love to make Fun on Crazy Clarks...nothing wrong on fridge magnet. Unless Crazy Bargain...!!

I got collection international Duty Free Fridge Magnet...nothings funny I guess....just for fridge magnet bills reminders...
:)

Posted by: aliane at March 22, 2008 3:44 PM

I personally find it difficult to blog with someone who doesn't have a visible profile after all you can have a password protected profile photo if you wish. Also I find it a little hard to reconcile that these people use all the facilities of the site and contribute nothing financially to it. After all, no-one is going to spend money on stamps to contact them and they are not going to do it if their profile is hidden. Just my reasoning, bit disappointing really.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 22, 2008 3:41 PM

Riversong....likes you said to OG those plastic, disposable/replaceable stuff how we live today...makes my day laughs. We used to have Tupperware durable, usesable, dependable...
Wish could gather all those bad boys players, plastic, cluttered stuff-toys in ..exclusive secluded Island, and build a "Cubby-House"...with barbwire fence for lesser pollutions...

Posted by: aliane at March 22, 2008 3:31 PM

alaine - you seemingly have no idea what I was referring to (nor did justsaying .... funnily) so let's just file that one under lost causes?

riversong ... maybe you should read that post I made to alaine and I meant that in the kindest way because apparently I have also been guilty of the same thing (apparently) ..... (apparently).

Posted by: woodnwine at March 22, 2008 3:28 PM

Hi geminipom....loved to share your collection on Fridge Magnet...
I'm do collecting fridge magnet too, every-time I travelled overseas I bought one fridge magnet for remembrance I've seen the famous city in that country, brings back those overseas memories I went through....love see international magnet, per reminders clips bills on my fridge as well....

Posted by: aliane at March 22, 2008 2:42 PM

geminipom another hidden profile.

justsaying another hidden profile
(you have a writing style somewhat similar to Marcus) any connection?

Posted by: virgil at March 22, 2008 2:39 PM

~~ Happy Easter ~~

Posted by: sunkissedqldr at March 22, 2008 2:37 PM

justsaying....oK accepted not directed to me...

Hey guys...justsaying & timewarp1, cool head Ok ...

Two fingered what tha? sorry guys..i'm off, off now.... I might be kick-out here better watch DVD...c ya..

Posted by: aliane at March 22, 2008 2:22 PM

I know this is way off topic, but the mention of fridge magnets caught my attention.

I collect fridge magnets - I can hardly see my fridge for them!

One of my favourites is one I bought in Crazy Clarks a few years ago. I was in a bad mood that day (can't remember why) and this frog magnet caught my eye. He has his arms folded over his chest, and on his belly are the words "Frog Off!" It so exactly matched how I felt, I couldn't help laughing. My mood immediately lifted, and of course I had to buy it. It still makes me smile every time I go to my fridge.

Maybe we could have a blog about interesting fridge magnets we own or have seen. Nothing to do with dating or relationships, but it could be fun!

Posted by: geminipom at March 22, 2008 2:05 PM

Cordy1969, hope you didn’t misinterpret my “hello” and last post – it means: lucky 30ish ladies in NSW – great pic, profile, and good to see a man with his priorities straight.

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 1:53 PM

timewarp at March 21, 2008 6:09 PM,
really misses filing females in his "shrunken business" and has to do at least 12 hour's filing over Easter just for starters.
All because he's too busy "2-finger"ing in here.

Like he says, "all comes ultimately back to our priorities."

Our? Surely he means his own "all comes ultimately back"?

Two-fingered, of course.

That's another point to Women In Charge of Everything.
They certainly wouldn't have someone fiddling around wasting time, while there's work to be done.

Posted by: justsaying at March 22, 2008 1:21 PM

Missy decoratress at March 21, 2008 3:15 PM,
at no time did I say,

>"he has no sense of humour". -They are your words.

If you're going to spit the dummy dearest, do try to get the facts right and not "imagine" so much.

It does nothing to help the rest of womenkind being further labelled as emotional, irrational and inefFACTual.

Or, is this decoratress at March 21, 2008 3:15 PM not the real decoratress?

Her(?) customary peace-be-with-you-style of sign off, was noticeably absent.

Will the real decoratress stand up?

Or at least, who/whatever's pulling her strings.

While we're on the subject of misaprehensions:
aliane at March 22, 2008 5:57 AM, I have never directed that phrase at you.

Posted by: justsaying at March 22, 2008 1:16 PM

Hi Riversong1...."Two heads is better than One"... I mean to say is... Two people brain mutual mental-connection very satisfying and works for the best in making decision than single brain....of course there is always exception " One head is better than two Heads... if both brain having opposite direction ..yeah.. of course "bad hair day "...appears !.... as old folks said better to be single than to be sorry?....
as my friends said also...."live in Sin"
OMG it's black Saturday :)

Thanks for the interpretation (brown nosing)...this is, i like in blogs learning Aussie Slang....
These is also benefits in me not Aussie Born...What i don't know won't hurt me....it's good to be ignorant sometimes... :)))

Lala xxx

Posted by: aliane at March 22, 2008 1:02 PM

WoodnWine....

Cool-down Woodnwine, I understand your jokes doesn't mean anything to me at all, I know what you refering...of course I won't interfere nor touched Men's belongings to chucked-away without their permission.,.vice versa, on womens girly stuff as well and I know it would cause argument in relationship can do big negative impact minding someones personal belongings.....In other-Hand discussion which I am talking about this stuff-things being living alone by myself because I don't want messy place and if not useful in 2 years I ring charity to give it away or threw in the garbage bin.

I'm also with " Justsaying"... , on his remarks explanation, which is he got a good points in dealing relationship.....why? need to sacrifice and spend the rest of our lives was bad living in big Hole-Roof Relationship? very obvious to say... love, respect & support is dead, no-life to looked forward, wouldn't do any better isn't it?....then, its time to have both space, go and moved-on.... in my part, tried my best to work-out to resolved the differences of couples problem may occurred ...but I also have time-limit to give-up if helpless to reconcile, to solved and fix problem....I won't sacrifice for the rest of my life knowing it's useless and doesn't do any good relationship at all....otherwise health, income, life, in-expense others peoples selfishness whilst others are suffering...
Isn't that's the reflection being us in RSVP?....means we are all here moving -on, for good reason looking for another promising new life with someone prettier than previous relationship we have had before.....

Posted by: aliane at March 22, 2008 12:05 PM

2eyes @ 11.32pm: You are sooo right. And so honest to say it. But how do you pick which kind they are, in advance?

Oohlala1 @ 9.01am: Thank you for that excellent recipe for domestic harmony and equity. Now all we need to do is find someone who'll agree to pair off with us, and follow the recipe. Good luck, youall.

Blueeyes @ 9.42pm: Saying that "Boring women have immaculate homes" does not infer that you're saying that ALL women with immaculate homes are boring. That's an example of a famous logical fallacy (called "undistributed middle," from memory of a 1954 high school Logic subject.)

The correct corollary is "Some women with immaculate homes are boring." OK teach?

Gotta hand over computer to my book-keeper. Seeyezall later.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 22, 2008 11:26 AM

hhhhmmm virgil and laughsandtalks - I prefer quality over quantity myself - one well targeted bullseye to thousands of ill-fated hit and misses.

alaine - your posts make me laugh so much - "mhwah" to you too. Yes, the mysterious shed - what DO they do in there with all that stuff they buy from Bunnings? Don't think we could shoo all the bad boys out there tho - would get mightily cluttered! Might need to build some more outhouses! ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 11:05 AM

ukelelelady - found it - check out the blog "Dating Through the Ages" in the May 2007 Archive - it's all been mulled over in there - so much of both widom and controversy with over 1500 enties (from lots of different people, not just the "regulars")!

While you're at it, check out "Dealmakers and Dealbreakers" one - that was another gem - a real classic - great read :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 9:27 AM

Marcus
700 coffees with women over 9 years is 3 every 2 weeks. That is just the initial meeting of new women.

How many of the 700 warranted a second meeting? My guess would be in the range of 1/3 to 1/2?, say about 250, and how many third meetings? say half of that again.

Total meetings 1075 over 9 years, so about 9 meetings with different women in a month.

Assuming a first date strike rate of 5%, second would be a bit better but say 5%, and third might be 25%, factor in some repeat partners, say success rate is 100 over 9 years, roughly equalling 11 a year, maybe some FWB and aveage rises to about 20 per year.

Doing OK there, mate

Posted by: virgil at March 22, 2008 9:14 AM

Shucks, Cordy1969, if I WAS into toyboys (sorry, not) you would be on my hit list! ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 9:03 AM

If any of you should ever get a partner again to live with and I include me here too I tell you what to do. Work out who likes to do what and who does what best. Then you share out the roles fairly and try to stick with it till you are sick of doing some things. Then you go back to negotiating table and work it out again.
Dont trot out the old jokes and get to feel put upon because you feel you are doing it all. Communication with your partner or lacking of it is where it is most important in a relationship. If you cant communicate and say that you feel you are doing too much then you have a problem. Things should be fair from the very start. Some women do too much to start and then get sick of it. This surprises the man when she becomes resentful. Start as you mean to go on and then you wont have the problems. If you cant be open and honest with your partner from the start then you are sure to have breakdown later.
Mt Timewarp I have two very funny fridge magnets. One says That I do not repeat gossip, so listen very carefully. The other says that when I married Mr Right I didn't know that his first name was Always. That one could go for both sexes too.
If we take it all too serious and can't have a laugh at human foibles like a dose of Kath and Kim then we are just a group of boring petty bitter loosers.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 22, 2008 9:01 AM

Justsaying...I know now the meaning of "brown nosing"....(someone explained to me)...I wish you don't referred that bad words to me...I'm sure you Not...

Thank you my " Guardian Angel " for interpretation of (brown nosing) here's my hugs and kisses to you mwah...

Posted by: aliane at March 22, 2008 5:57 AM

Oldergent......I'm with you, I'm part of Aussie lifestyle now and adapted many good habits, I still remained those customary habits in expense of closed circle unit unbreakable bond.

Too many disappointment and frustration carried-away being cluttered, moving one after another... without thinking wisely if things actually suited their taste.
But how we can prevent being carelessly assembled? some others done purposely interest or misleads.

Panic buying when strike, all we see is red flashing, troubleshooters foe many of us goes flat battery.

It would be wise, to differentiate between ..Needs and Necessity.....or Wants and Likes....
Indulgence most of us Curiosity.

Yes, Shed is designed for Men kept those less likely unwanted stuff, Storeroom somehow they called retreat. Women too using it. In my case I'm understandable, as long as No string-a-touch...otherwise I'll moved all his belonging in said Shed....:)))

Timewarp1...thanks for compliment. it's bit late said but better to say than not saying at all...

Posted by: aliane at March 22, 2008 5:24 AM

ukelelelady, I have a rule of thumb - I ask the guy whether he would go out with a lady who was the same number of years older than him, as he is of me. If the answer is "lol", "unthinkable", "way out of my age range", then I won't go out with him.

By the way, I've noticed (from people I've seen in here), that those guys who are looking for much younger women tend to have some sort of age/ midlife/ ego/ self worth/ committment issues, so give them a big miss - probably not worth going out with anyway if you're looking for a proper relationship:)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 1:10 AM

Oldergent - agree with you - everything is so ceap, easy, plastic, too easily disposable/ replaceable these days. I'm with you - prefer the old fashioned more enduring things.

Laughsandtalks - yep, had my fair share of boys teasing... gee, thanks - you must like me a lot then!!

alaine - not sure I want two heads - imagine bad hair days ;)
"brown nosing" - well - women call it "mutual support" ie paying compliments, but because men stir each other for fun, if they actually pay each other a compliment it means they are "smooching up behind" so to speak (I'll email you to explain without censorship!)

Auntykaz - thanks for the compliment (that's mutual support, not as above)!

magellan2 - you see it kind of looks like we're fighting, but we all actually like each other in here, you see. We're having fun - aren't we Woodnwine?

ukelalelady - there's been a whole blog topic written on the age issue - look in archives (or ask woodnwine!) (just jesting!)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 22, 2008 12:49 AM

just always remember that some men can multitask, some can be nice and please their families, and some will never be able to do anything more than make trouble and bring disappointment to all

Posted by: twoeyes at March 21, 2008 11:32 PM

CousinKaz @ 7.24pm: I disagree with you. I think we CAN blame the mothers who've put their own need to be needed, and/or their reputation for tidyness among their female peers, ahead of their duty to equip their children to fly, by the time they jump off the edge of the nest.

My mother was that generation - born 1902. But she told me in my teens that she'd seen too many unhappy couples who had paired off, only because each one had only half the skill-set needed for independent living.

She couldn't earn a decent living, and he couldn't do anything useful around the house. But together they were a viable team economically, if not emotionally.

Some men have gone on to develop domestic uselessness into a fine art. FD98 told me about a man she'd invited home for afternoom tea.

He walked in, settled on the sofa and grabbed the remote. "The man controls the TV" he said.

As she headed for the kitchen to put on the kettle, he called after her "Don't ask me to help with anything - I've got two left hands."

She delegates door-matting to one of her rugs, so he didn't last long.

Back to my Mum. She said she wanted to prepare me to avoid marriage, till I'd found love, so for the meantime she taught me how to cook, sweep, sew and darn.

Backfired on me - fell in love with a girl without any domestic skills, other than being able to wash up quickly and safely, even when half-drunk - she'd been a naughty girl at boarding school, and had been on washing-up duty for most of the 4 years.

I'm glad you can be proud of your kids' domestic performance, Kaz - good on you for making that happen.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 21, 2008 11:02 PM

Marcus I'm curious as to what "middle eastern appearance" means.....and just why you have managed to bring religion back into the blogs? I guess I've never heard of Allah being referred to as a Sky God...Ranginui yes...Jupiter on occasion but not Allah. Seems you really do have a "thing" for those who choose to believe, an no, I'm not one of them...but your comments will no doubt be offensive to others.

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 21, 2008 10:23 PM

On my fridge, 13 of the magnets carry short inspirational messages. The relevant one here is
"Boring women have immaculate homes."
I list untidyness in my profile, to protect me from those women whose world stops at their carefully-painted front gate.
Posted by: timewarp1 at March 21, 2008 5:29 PM
Timewarp-I hope that is not a sweeping statement that you think fits all women who keep a neat and tidy home.I for one am definitely not boring but am organised enough to keep home fairly tip-top and still have plenty of time to play as well as work fulltime.Us women are good at multi tasking and can do both and am sure men can do the same.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 21, 2008 9:42 PM

Hi Justsaying. Glad to see you also had a useful youth, long ago. Are you over 80, or just a young bloke like OG and me?

Explaining something about collecting the kindling wood when I was 5, back between Dunkirk and the Battle of Britain:

Our stove was lit at 6am to cook breakfast porridge and chops (on a sheep station the mutton is free, and we ate it 20 meals a week) and to heat water for tea and the breakfast washup. It was allowed to die down between meals to save wood, and was let die completely after the adults' suppercuppa about 9.45pm, and then filling hottie bags in winter.

We only had kettles to mix with cold in the shower bucket, but a richer neighbour did have the hot water tank on the side ot the firebox opposite the oven, that you were talking about.

Our 30.000 acres was mainly grassland. Every few months we'd take the truck maybe 2-3 miles to collect a fallen dead hollow tree.

One of the men chopped the wood (me, once I was 14, till I got polio the next year.) Mainly big chunks, but half a dozen progressive-sized skinny pieces to bridge between the kindling sticks and the first big chunk of the day.

Our house was on grassland and the nearest clump of trees was 1/4 of a mile away, hence the travel distance for me to go find kindling - yes - Including bits of bark - thank you for reminding me.

Better than sticks to take over from the single sheet of newspaper. (We only got one paper on the weekly mail and groceries delivery, because we had the 7pm radio War News.)

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 21, 2008 9:23 PM

justsaying 7.47pm ... what on earth was all that about? Sorry but too hard to follow ... mallee scrub and all that other stuff. Some of these blogs really do get quite obtuse at times ... why, I don't know.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 21, 2008 9:09 PM

Hey larfsandbarfs, you try Latin dancing for 3 hours and see how "perky" you are....
Slouching on the couch indeed.......
Better to stand with a skateboard is it???
And as for showing you guys more of my body forget it pal........
That is of course unless you would like to reciprocate and flash us a bit more of yours......
As for accusing Decoratress of broadmindedness,...what the???
Putting words in my mouth now larfsandbarfs, but then again that is one of your forms of attack.......next you will get your rotty out.

Oh and by the way do you enjoy being Mr Negative or are you afflicted with some form of depression that you may need help with .....just wondering as it must be draining being you....
and cheers right back at ya...................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 21, 2008 8:27 PM

>"Hey that's perfect response to WnW, same explanation of mine,...at 20/3 - 9:47pm. thanks..."

-Post by: aliane at March 21, 2008 7:22 PM.

Hey aliane, thanks for understanding my response leading from your post.
Some thought otherwise, so it is nice to know I preserved your original intention.

It certainly brought out not only some peoples' genuine misunderstanding but also, other peoples' wilful misuse of words and intentions.

Posted by: justsaying at March 21, 2008 8:10 PM

hello every one good luck in meeting your partners i am getting out of rsvp altoghther in the next week maybe i should head to qld look for work and then travel after that overseas

Posted by: stonecold3 at March 21, 2008 7:57 PM

Posted by: ukelelelady at March 21, 2008 2:20 PM-
Nahhhh, you're not being oversensitive.
Just understanding the demanding specifications.

Some of the old boys get worse as they get older, looking for the naive and therefore, usually much younger females to care for them in their dotage.

But then again, take a look at some of the female profiles and their demands for toyboys.

Posted by: riversong1 at March 21, 2008
1:40 PM,
>"Boys/men tend to rib each other in jest."

I agree riversong1.

With some exceptions of course and glaringly apparent with some on these blogs.

Posted by: cordy1969 at March 21, 2008 12:36 AM -you're complaining about women and your best friend is a 13 year old boy?
Why are you hanging out on RSVP?
Maybe PWP would be more your style and then you can broaden your friendship circle with their young children.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, post by magellan2 at March 21, 2008 12:19 AM:

>"Is there a woman down there who can change my life ?
>You know pick me,drive me around, put me in a wheel chair,take me out to St Kilda for photos and then to South Bank for lunch?
>You could even get the opportunity to abandon the wheel chair with me in on a tram line on Flinders St. if things don't work out.
>On the other hand I need a full time nurse for 2 days to wash and feed me and I pay pretty well."

Surely we're not "asking", are we magellan2 old boy??
No, can't be. Payment is definitely being offered for services rendered.

Definitely seems to have passed the stage of wanting a purse and now onto needing a nurse.
What's the going rate magellan2 and how much extra, are you willing to pay? Seeing as you probably wouldn't want to descend to the level of begging and not just, "asking".

decoratress at March 21, 2008 3:15 PM, thought you (besides not being judgemental of others,) of all people would understand a rhetorical question.
Perhaps not being allowed to peek at my profile, is upsetting your little applecart (made from all natural, pesticide free trees, with handsawn wooden wheel and a hot smithy-beaten forged axle, to satisfy your sensibilities -both smithy and cart)?
Again, that is a rhetorical question and no need for an answer.

Maybe magellan2 has a point at March 21, 2008 12:19 AM with,
>"Oh if women were in charge of everything work would degenerate into cat fights..."

Which reminds me of that old saying for our non-rhetorical one, who's dignity is beginning to slip somewhat,
"Curiosity killed the cat."

Never mind, we can only wonder at others who have such trouble lighting fires.
Like haze-ridden recollections from the ashes of timewarp1's memory posted at March 21, 2008 5:29 PM?

>"No 4 was something else - to walk alone 400 yards up the bush, and gather more than enough fallen dead sticks and twigs to light the wood stove next morning."

Hmmmm. Dead sticks and twigs do not a fire make. Especially a wood fire that not only has to keep the cooking stove and oven going from the afternoon when the evening meal was being prepared but also, for the fireplace in the lounge room as well as, the wood-fired hot-water system.
-You know, for when everyone (particularly the man of the house came home all dirty and stinking from his manly work every night) had to have a shower or bath?
Even if there was no wood fired hot water system and he was cleaned from the tin tub in front of the fireplace; the water firstly had to be heated on top of a wood fire.

Dead sticks and twigs, besides bark, were used to start the fire and gathered at the time of loading up the wheelbarrow with decent sized, long-lasting lumps of wood.

Didn't anyone in those times have malley roots or logs that could be chopped up for the fire?
I used an axe on them and then wheelbarrowed the load home for mother.

Nothing like "Women In Charge Of Everything" to straighten us all out.

Especially if she could wield a decent sized lump of wood.

Posted by: justsaying at March 21, 2008 7:47 PM

Warped.
Crikey mate. Fridge magnet philosophy now makes it's appearance. My observation is that religious icons in a house are prima facie evidence of minor madness and an extremely narrow mind.
Auntykaz. You are slouching on the couch and under 60. You need to display your body to the blokes to give us a proper appraisal.
You have accused the Decoraddress of broadmindedness in your's of 5.07. I notice she excludes members of the worlds largest sky god religion (Islam) from being her friend. Next you will compliment her on good taste even though she admits to owning a telly hutch with carved doors.
In the northern suburbs of Melbourne I see some of 'middle eastern appearance' so anxious to proclaim their non Islamic beliefs that they have Christian crosses large enough to knock them out on a left turn hanging from the mirror.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 21, 2008 7:28 PM

Timewarp, an interesting post to go with the others of today.....

My two bucks worth on the tidyman point.
When l married my former husband, he had never made a bed, cooked a meal, ironed a shirt or any of the relatively easy domestic chores /jobs essential to normal day to day living. His mum did it all, that's just how it was.

And l might add that l was not trained in the art of how to cook a good meal, and in our house my dad was the main cook, not my mum.

Many meals of chops or steak and salad later, l learnt to cook nice meals, largely by accident and a few cookbooks than anything else.

My former husband became a reasonable maker of spaghetti bolognese and not much else, always leaving behind a mess in the kitchen which l would clean, cos he sure wasn't.
As for the other domestic chores, suffice to say that he never managed them.
Blaming his mother for spoiling him is too easy, but she did not equip him with necessary skills in the home.

Both my children can rustle up some pretty tasty meals, clean up after themselves, wash, hang up and iron their clothes, use a vacuum, etc. etc,and without complaint.

I believe that arming them with the capability to manage their own household an important part of their growing up and eventually departing the nest.
I came home from work today (no public holiday for me) to find my son had thoroughly cleaned the kitchen, vacced and mopped the floors and cleaned out the pantry, as he did have the public holiday and thought it would be a good idea.
Now that is great for me, but also, importantly, shows he uses his initiative in helping out unasked, and l was very happy that he did.

My daughter will often drop into the shops on her way home from work for ingredients for dinner and make something yummy.

It sure makes my life a little easier having them help me with things aroung the home,
but one important thing that l always tell them is that it isn't my house it is our home, for us all to live in.................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 21, 2008 7:24 PM

Justsaying...."two heads is better than one" must be good if two were alike, isn't one of a kind or could be too perfect partners in crime?... but of course there's always exception why need two heads if one's is opposite, negative, never goes right whatever hard-effort to give...otherwise always expect downfall more trouble, heartache and headache...
Can you please enlighten me of "if one was - brown nosing"? that's new to me>. what does it mean? are refering of complexion?
Hey that's perfect response to WnW, same explanation of mine,...at 20/3 - 9:47pm. thanks...

Posted by: aliane at March 21, 2008 7:22 PM

Is everyone having fun?

Posted by: woodnwine at March 21, 2008 7:20 PM

Decoratress ... that is exactly what I meant.

"I may be wrong, but I was under the impression the "...." meant the statement was left unfinished, & people would be able to finish it correctly themselves.

In context, my understanding was, that he was asking people not to judge current partners on their experiences with those who had gone before, not to hold grudges, & to retain an open mind.

Something some people have tremendous difficulty with.

Posted by: decoratress at March 21, 2008 3:15 PM "

Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone .... or maybe just to those who don't jump to conclusions.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 21, 2008 7:17 PM

PS to mine just then, about why men leave a trail of clutter and lose things:

Don't only blame their mothers, who saw their official occupation of "home duties" as including picking up after the rest of the family. And the more they picked up, the more heroic they were! A viscious circle.

Has anyone read "Women who need to be needed"?

Also blame businesses that used the traditional tradesman/offsider work team: The less-well-paid trades assistant (now often female) gets the tools to the job, holds things, passes things and afterwards puts everything away. The tradesman only does the technical bit: the DO, not the MAKE READY, or the PUT AWAY.

A schoolmate who became a dentist told me in the late 1970s why he had 3 dental nurses circling him as he worked, instead of one:

The first nurse increases your income by 60%, compared with working alone, like the travelling dentist did when I was a kid in the bush.

The second one adds a further 45% to your income, and the third only another 10% to 15%, but he had a lot of kids in private schools, and was doing that for ten years.

By age 60 he was down to a 4-day week with one nurse, and retired soon after.

Not just tradesmen - the business executive had a private secretary to buy gifts for his wife AND remind him when to give them, as well as getting out each file when it needed looking at, taking dictation and attending to the spelling and grammar when typing it, and collecting and filing the papers on each project between visits to it. And reminding him of committee meetings. Just like mummy.

That's what I really miss in my shrunken business - someone there every day to collect each sheet of paper from me and file it promptly and correctly for instant future access, and bring me a dozen files a day in turn. I'll do 12 hours' less-urgent filing over Easter, and still not catch up since Christmas.

If I spent less time on 2-finger blog-posting, I'd have time to file as I work, but it all comes ultimately back to our priorities.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 21, 2008 6:09 PM

I think we've misunderstood the significant real topic of this blog, and I felt it's worth slowly typing this long post to explain.

Sure. the examples are things that a lot of women criticise a lot of men for, so at a glance it does look like an open invitation for a male-bashing spree.

But they're faults that some of us (of either sex) can validly pick on our children of either sex for doing/not doing, and some daughters more than their brothers. I think I recall both WnW and Virgil mentioning that.

The flash came to me today while I was finally putting the last of last weekend's clean folded washing away in the wardrobe, to empty the basket so I could transfer this week's dirties from their neat small pile in the far corner of the bedroom floor, ready to take them to the laundromat tomorrow.

This blog is really about different people's different priorities, and about the resultant (traditional) carve-up of domestic duties.

I like the handbasin to be clean, but my Ex didn't even notice it, because she approached it with her strong specs off. What to do?

Tell her it's women's work, though she's working the same 70-hour week that I am - and better paid for it? Tell her she's a disgusting slatternly failure as a housewife, and Look! Here's more evidence?

Or just clean it myself , if and whenever it offended me, to improve my own personal quality of life, and with no comment before or after, to people who weren't involved with my personal aesthetics?

I went for Number 3, but if you're insecure enough to need to bully your beloved, you'd behave differently.

So I ask the question - why in the over-40s is it usually the man who drops everything where he finished using it, and then asks other people where the wretched thing got to?

I believe that it's because that's exactly what he was trained to do, from a small child.

I had a toy cupboard - an under-bench upper shelf in Dad's large flyscreened bedroom. (Mum snored loudly under a mozzie net on the open verandah, at the furthest end of the house.)

I'd drag all my toys out, play with some, then wander off to see my dog, gather the eggs or whatever. Later, Mum would tidy everything away, just before Dad got home.

When I was 8, Mum went to Brisbane to await a caesarean, and her friend came to keep house. Late arvo the first day she said "Bill, put your toys away, now that you've finished with them." I thought she was off her head. That's the housekeeper's job, whoever she is!

An hour later she said "Bill, you've got a choice: you put your toys away right now, or I'll put them on the rubbish fire in the yard, that I'm just about to light."

Then I knew she was off her head, and I ran to rescue them from cremation. 15 years later, she confided to me that she'd been seriously terrified that I'd call her bluff.

My grandson is 3 this August. Staying with them at the beach at Christmas before he was even 2.1/2, I was gob-smacked to see him taking his empty drink glass or snack plate back to the sink, and packing up and tidying each game away, before moving on to another. Without ever needing to be reminded.

His mother had him at 38, and when she stopped work at 34 to have his big sister 10 days later, she'd been managing 37 staff in 2 departments.

She's now a full-time mother with less to do than my mother had (4 men on the family sheep-station and 3 kids to cook for, etc).

But she is expecting more sooner from her kids, and getting it with no dramatics.

Not that I got it completely easy. On my 5th birthday I was given 4 daily jobs - at 3pm let the chooks out of their enclosure and collect the eggs, later feed them some grain inside and quickly lock them in away from foxes just before sunset. I was happy to do all that - I'd helped with those jobs for the past year or so.

No 4 was something else - to walk alone 400 yards up the bush, and gather more than enough fallen dead sticks and twigs to light the wood stove next morning.

No job, no dinner. The first 2 nights I was up the paddock with a lantern at 8pm, but the 3rd night I had all my work finished in time to eat with the family.

I was very fond of my mother-in-law. When her difficult husband would yell out "Fizzie, where's my whatever?" she'd take the fag out of her mouth, look up from the Womens Weekly for a moment and reply very sweetly "Whereever you left it, dear." Then take another drag and get back to her reading.

I blame men's traditional failure to tidy up after themselves mainly on those women back then who had no work outside the home (neither jobs nor charity work like staffing Vinnies etc.)

They made a full-time job for themselves (and collected some self-esteem) out of keeping the house very clean, including picking up after the other family members.

All of whom had the advantage of being able to get their self-esteem from achievements outside the home, so the house was just somewhere to come back to and relax and recharge, not a showpiece that competitive other women would judge THEM on.

The messier their families, the more heroic those women were, for keeping their homes spotless all the same.

On my fridge, 13 of the magnets carry short inspirational messages. The relevant one here is

"Boring women have immaculate homes."

I list untidyness in my profile, to protect me from those women whose world stops at their carefully-painted front gate.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 21, 2008 5:29 PM

Lots of very interesting observations here today Riversong, as always, wise words from you, wish l could think of things that come out like yours, and as for Germaine Greer, l am with you there 100%.
Marcus you came up in my matches a few days ago, but having already seen your profile and after having a few stoushes along the way thought it would be prudent to not go there again. We would only argue more, l am sure of that !!!
Decoratress, yes some do have difficulty with having an open mind, some also have difficulty with the phrase "do no harm", as well
And of course that goes for men and women, as l usually say when comparing the sexes and their differences......

And laminperth, also think your post last night at about 10pm was .great, what we all would like to think l would say, and done so well.

Cordy, gee how to win friends and influence people...........NOT......
Amazes me how some are so willing to completely bag the opposite sex,( and if so what the hell are they doing here?), without acknowledging that both sexes have their good and bad attributes.....as we all know, but at times fail to accept...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 21, 2008 5:07 PM

Pastor Vigil.
I am of the opinion that gambling advertising could be banned.
Smoking was once promoted as a legitimate social and recreational activity.
I am waiting for the penis enlarging/vagina tightening patent remedies to make their banner add appearances here.
Riverlong.
Try telling the Indian cricket that ribbing is part of mateship and humour.
You might add that when boys/men tease girls/women it is usually because they like them.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 21, 2008 4:22 PM

Riverlong. Goodgrief, that Cupid match would have been frightening for you.
A 'mocko' is a mockumentary; a taking the piss, half serious sort of thing. Not that I'm a Michael Moore fan but Bowling for Columbine springs to mind.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 21, 2008 4:14 PM

justsaying @ 12.05pm...

woodnwine made a comment, re Aliane's on disposing of useless objects after 2yrs, lightheartedly & with humour.

You queried it. He advised you his comment was made laughingly.

You responded, saying you were being humorous too & that he has no sense of humour (with a snide remark about multi-tasking thrown in).

Huh?

You'll notice his comment was "Don't judge others......" leaving the sentence unfinished?
I would imagine if he had finished the sentence it would have run
.... on your experiences of previous partners/relationships"
or perhaps
.... being judgemental is generally not considered a positive trait..in that none of us are perfect"

Or something along those lines.

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression the "...." meant the statement was left unfinished, & people would be able to finish it correctly themselves.

In context, my understanding was, that he was asking people not to judge current partners on their experiences with those who had gone before, not to hold grudges, & to retain an open mind.

Something some people have tremendous difficulty with.

Posted by: decoratress at March 21, 2008 3:15 PM

Pommysheila 7:33
RSVP is full of male gynaecologists too; amatuer ones...haha
I'manenigma. Glad I'm keeping you amused mate. I work on the non contiguous composite wife theory. And don't worry I'm not sexist. There are a number of girls bobbing up who have been on for longer than me.
Riverlong. Mum was a member of the WEL back when it started and I have been appraised of girly/dyke politics from an early age. My point about the male initiated IR (and religion; name a female cardinal or bishop) is that it signalled social change in many ways. Increasing leisure time, health and longevity allowed for many social improvements. Womens movements came after these. I think you are missing the point about your own interest in the 'femme' in feminism. It is pussy power these days, Maureen Dowd style, and many young women understand it implicitly.
As for casual sexual encounters bleeding my male soul dry- come again? It's not for nothing men produce 3000 sperm a second and you may ovulate once a month.
Keep researching that book...
Cheers Marquis

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 21, 2008 2:50 PM

justsaying ... once again you have misunderstood the jist of my post ... could it be that you are not as intuitive as you may think? Justsaying .... that's all.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 21, 2008 2:28 PM

Previewing your Comment
Sorry folks this isn't on the topic of male undomesticity, but as I'm new to RSVP I am dying to get your opinions. When I browse the sites of guys my age a large % are only looking for women younger than them by a significant amount of time ! I think it's reasonable to go a few years each side of your age but so many I see are not prepared to consider their own age. Am I being oversensitive here ?

Posted by: ukelelelady at March 21, 2008 2:20 PM

Thank you Timewarp and Riversong, Viva le Difference !!!!! What a boring old world this would be if we were all the same

Posted by: iaminperth at March 21, 2008 1:58 PM

Riversong @10.30pm, me too.

Aliane,
That is why sheds are such a part of Oz mens culture, I agree the house should be unclutered, and the only time I have ever thrown anything out was the day before I needed it. lol. As to the throw away society, why do you think we are facing (partly) such a crisis with climate change, too many people throwing too much away to buy something else to throw away etc ad infinitum. Not profitable to make something that can be repaired time and time again.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 21, 2008 1:53 PM

laughtsandtalks - you came up in my cupid match!!!!!?????
What's a "mocko"?

Posted by: riversong1 at March 21, 2008 1:47 PM

Thanks WnW, a happy easter to you and everyone else as well.

Yep, virgil, eveything's closed, weather's bad, gives us time to reflect...

justsaying - funny thing about humour - I was just talking to my teenage son about it last night. Boys/men tend to rib each other in jest. Women would find that offensive if they did that to each other - we tend to laugh more at mishaps that we can relate to outselves. Another one of those differences I guess, that can lead to misunderstands and war between the sexes!

Posted by: riversong1 at March 21, 2008 1:40 PM

Yeah TW good observation

Posted by: virgil at March 21, 2008 1:29 PM

Timewarp1 - ditto re iaminperths post!

Posted by: riversong1 at March 21, 2008 12:51 PM

At the top of this page is a frame where they have various advertisements, todays features gambling, where you can learn how to lose your money for free. I dont gamble on football, as I recall acquantances I used to go to the football with, who when the Eagles were winning big, would wish the opposition team to kick goals to keep the winning score under 61 points as it paid more.

This attitude cured any desire I might have had to bet on football.

Furthermore, if my team has a secret, that might help it to win, when expected to lose, I would want this to not become common knowledge, to allow the punters and the opposition to know, thereby diminishing the value of the secret to my team.

Posted by: virgil at March 21, 2008 12:38 PM

Good Friday.

The shops are closed.
Christmas Day
The shops are closed.

There is space for reflection, particularly among the non-partnered among us.

Reflection on what was given up on this day many years ago, and what it means to us individually.

Sometimes, these days can be the worst for single people, without the family network, and the many things to do.

For me, reflecting on years where I was a husband, father of small children, part of a large extended family. I had no concept that this would all change, that my marriage would go, my children would grow up.

To think of what was given so many years ago, but most importantly, that it was given fearlessly.

Posted by: virgil at March 21, 2008 12:25 PM

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 21, 2008 10:54 AM,

>"Justsaying-can I assume that was a compliment?"

-Yep.

Woodnwine at March 21, 2008 10:53 AM.

What about thinking of a new subject in addition to the above list of classes (providing there is an ability to multi-task,) such as:

*How to accept HUMOUR, especially when directed at oneself*.

I also like another universal old-fashioned style of good manners, where it isn't done to preach at others.

Saying "Don't judge others", is just as judgemental as the sentiment expressed.

Posted by: justsaying at March 21, 2008 12:14 PM

Well riversong ... just when I thought this blog was turning into a boring men vs women fest, you come out with a nice post at 10.03am. Have a good Easter.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 21, 2008 12:05 PM

Willow,
you should have waited a while and posted the answers after everyone had a go at them. I did get number 3 correct without having to think too hard.Happy Easter to you too.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 21, 2008 12:03 PM

IaminPerth @ 10.30pm: My favourite post for some time back! Thank you for those sentiments - they're as beautiful as you are.

To borrow from Harry's Sally's faking-one audience, "I'd like to have what you'd like to have!"

And now on Annual Unselfish Day, I wish you and us all, more of joy and sharing, and less of misery and backbiting, for today and all the year.

May the kicked sand never rise above our ankles, or be intended to!

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 21, 2008 11:52 AM

Please let's not turn this into a men vs women blog. In dating (which is what this site is about) we are all equal and supposedly looking for the same outcome ... happiness. Let's look for the positives not the negatives. We've all had bad experiences with members of the opposite sex but that only told us about that particular person, not all men or women. Don't judge others .....

Posted by: woodnwine at March 21, 2008 11:02 AM

Justsaying-can I assume that was a compliment? Maybe Karina can offer us some stastistics on how many join this site.Eg, is there an age bracket which exceeds others in numbers, or more males than females or vice versa,more smokers than non-smokers?

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 21, 2008 10:54 AM

justsaying ... no, you misunderstood ... I was laughingly relating alaine's post to spouses (male or female) who become useless in one form or another ... and that is how divorces start. I thought my comment was pretty straightforward and easy to follow ... my bad.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 21, 2008 10:53 AM

Someone Rubbishes....Others Treasures.
To costly to repair the damages misused and reckless by others sense of purpose....Doesn't suit to my decors taste, Can give muzzy insecurities mixing items...not good ...

I prefer Perishable easy to dispose after expiry-date if not consumed....

Posted by: aliane at March 21, 2008 10:08 AM

Cordy...I am guilty of checking out your profile....nothing wrong with the way you look!! (can't say the same thing about about the suite in the background tho! :) ). You are not ugly....obviously you haven't trolled through many RSVP pages....smile a bit....you'll do just fine!

Happy Easter...hope the bunny brings lots of chocolates....and perhaps a date along the way!

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 21, 2008 10:05 AM

Pommieshiela - I could write a whole book about these issues (in fact I am!)

The problem with women - they are ahead academically and the young ones don't even realise that there is any such thing as "discrimination" - that's all hairy armit lesbian dyke stuff like Germaine (YUK!!! She gave it all such a bad name!!!!!) But what happens, when it's time to have children, things change. Dropping out or in & out of the workforce for several years does nothing to enhance one's career! Of course not. But who is supposed to look after the babies? The lesser well paid women in child care??

I'm a big advocate for acnowledging and valuing the DIFFERENCES between men and women, and valuing both (including motherhood). Kinda like "multiculturalism" for the sexes.

More work/life balance for eveyone, I say. Treat as "worthy" the feminine, nurturing, creative, "yin" things in life - for men as well as women. Not just $=worth. Not just women climbing the corporate ladder and trying to be like men in order to prove they are "equal". That's "masculinism", not "feminism".

Respect for women, I say. Regain the "femme" in feminism... rescue the baby that we tipped out with the bathwater... be woman and proud of it!

Liberation for both sexes from narrowly prescribed roles. It's ok for men to cry. It's ok for them to acnowledge their lost shadow feminine side. They don't have to be so big and strong and tough and always win all the time, it's ok to feel vulnerable and want and need and feel love... not be so scared they only experience the tip of it in empty casual sexual encounters that bleed their souls dry....

I won't blab on... too much to say....

Posted by: riversong1 at March 21, 2008 10:03 AM

Willow wishes everyone a HAPPY EASTER. I hope you have someone special to share at least some of the time with.

Just in case you need some mental exercise answer the following. Q2 is on topic about WICOE (just).

5 Tricky questions - How Many Can You Get?

1. A murderer is condemned to death. He has to choose between three rooms.
The first is full of raging fires, the second is full of assassins with loaded guns, and the third is full of lions that haven't eaten in 3 years.
Which room is safest for him?

2. A woman shoots her husband. Then she holds him under water for over 5 minutes. Finally, she hangs him. But 5 minutes later they both go out together and enjoy a wonderful dinner together. How can this be?

3. What is black when you buy it, red when you use it, and grey when you throw it away ?

4. Can you name three consecutive days without using the words Wednesday,
Friday, or Sunday?

5. This is an unusual paragraph. I'm curious as to just how quickly you can find out what is so unusual about it. It looks so ordinary and plain that you would think nothing was wrong with it. In fact, nothing is wrong with it! It is highly unusual though. Study it and think about it, but you still may not find anything odd. But if you work at it a bit, you might find out.
Try to do so without any coaching!

THE ANSWERS TO ALL FIVE RIDDLES ARE BELOW:

Answers:
1. The third room. Lions that haven't eaten in three years are dead. That one was easy, right?

2. The woman was a photographer. She shot a picture of her husband, developed it, and hung it up to dry (shot; held under water; and hung).

3. Charcoal, as it is used in barbecuing.

4. Sure you can name three consecutive days, yesterday, today, and tomorrow!

5. The letter e, which is the most common letter used in the English language, does not appear even once in the paragraph.

Posted by: willow1059 at March 21, 2008 9:59 AM

cordy 1969 - think you need to come to my course, too - Day 2, lesson 3: "Bagging women won't get them to like you" Cheers :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 21, 2008 9:44 AM

girls out-excell boys in most subject areas today - yes - even maths! Yes Riversong this is a matter of great concern in the WA Education system, where special efforts are being made to bring the boys up to speed. Seems like its not a WA phenomenon. Various methods have been attempted, including single sex classrooms. Seems this issue has gone long past "bragging rights"

Posted by: virgil at March 21, 2008 9:39 AM

re Aliane at 20/3-1220pm.. if I don't used in 2 years, dial charity or chuck in the bin...

re WnW at 20/3 -1:!8 pm...I think this may be how a lots of divorces start..

WnW....I'm modernized, liberated in others sense of practicality mixed with old-fashion and traditional values. Before I've purchased signing the contract, I'll make sure very useful particles, benefited my expectation & lifetime guarantee. I have very long patience, plenty time to give, sacrifices, less- low anger ...Each items has warranty and expiry date....I am not Martyrs for the sake of neediest....I am Minimalist, looking for simple, good quality, unique design to treasured while time-ageing - adoring ....I am not clutter person to waste my time for nonsense rubbished quantity, decreased worth-values unable to sustained in a long run. Stuffed items are not organized is a big messy - people surrounded those negatively are more prone to vulnerable personal defeat, are unstable, more damage than happiness may bring to it....

Posted by: aliane at March 21, 2008 9:38 AM

laughsandtalks - "the conditions that allowed women to ascend" came about as a result of women's own efforts, starting with the "first wave" of the women's liberation suffrogate movement that won women the fundamental right to vote in the early 1900's (except aboriginal women, who didn't get this right until 1967!) (followed by Switzerland 1971 and Jordan not until 1982!)

The "second wave" of the liberation movement, with the establishment of the Women's Electoral Lobby (WEL) in Melbourne didn't start until 1972.

All fairly recent stuff. Not much related to religion nor the industion revolution, tho it had some connection to WW2 when they were recruited into the workforce to take the place of men to keep things affloat while the men were out fighting, then didn't take too kindly to being recalled back to rattle the pots 'n pans again.

The journey towards gaining respect and freedom from discrimination is still continuing :)

Yes, the river is long - but the river wouldn't be a river if not for the journey...

Posted by: riversong1 at March 21, 2008 9:32 AM

9 Years and 48 books of stamps!!!! Man you have got to be kidding!!! Thats SAD!!! Maybe its time to join a monastery or jump the fence and "bat for the other side", the girls say Willow is pretty cute,eh? ..... c'mon now,have we been living in denial? If nothing else you made Bob feel good and havn't done my ego any harm either! 9YEARS, now that is funny!! lol !!!

Posted by: imanenigma at March 21, 2008 9:28 AM

Me: Two stamps led to two dates in the past two months, one lunch, one dinner. First time I was paid for, second time I paid for us both. The first "relationship" lasted three weeks, the second flared briefly but burned out after five days (moth and candle!). I've just spent a third stamp and will be going on date no. 3 next week.

As the mythical headmaster said to his kids, "I have three pieces of advice for you: Never give up ... never give up... never give up."

In that time nobody has spent a stamp on me - I have had a flurry of kisses from unsuitable types in far-flung places who haven't read my profile or are just chancers.

Riversong, you're so right (8.02pm 20 March). Women are now achieving so much academically that they can no longer be held back in the employment market - although men are still trying to hang onto the most lucrative areas for themselves, one interesting example being gynaecology! Well, this is the case in the UK anyway - Australia might be more progressive. I hope so.

Another example of a formerly mainly male profession: female junior solicitors are now outnumbering males, although partners of their firms are still overwhelmingly male. This surely has to change at some stage due to sheer weight of numbers.

Next step: equal pay!

Posted by: pommysheila at March 21, 2008 7:33 AM

Riverslong.
Fair points but I don't think they have much to do with female inventors and the hard sciences. These are areas where 'toolmaking' men tend to congregate.
It is also possible to argue that the conditions now allowing women to ascend came about because of the male innovations (and lack of a state enforced religion in England) that started the industrial revolution.
Wishfulinker. I'll still be hear at the RSVP resource at 10 years; the 50 books ought to come up around mid year. I've eased up on the meetings and dates; blog contributions have consumed a bit of the time.
Warped.
I measure my strike rate slightly differently
but have probably met about 60% of the women I emailed and a higher percentage of women who have emailed me. As a rule I pay unless the objections are particularly strenuous. I cannot remember spending less than half an hour with anyone and plenty of times the rest of the day or evening. I reckon I have been jumped first date by about 10%. In 2004 I once had 3 coffee dates an hour or so apart at the Retro in Brunswick St then had to get up and go to another at Joes Garage.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 21, 2008 1:54 AM

The male shopping companion? I offered you some whimsical rhyme very late last night, now a bit of factual prose.

As young marrieds, we went together to the CBD for her to shop for clothes - at least one Saturday morning a month when we could afford it. Just us two, then with a stroller, and later with a walking 2-year-old as well as his little sister in his stroller.

We'd search different racks simultaneously to save time, and anything that we both liked got tried on. Maybe a dozen outfits in 4 shops. Any outfit that the little chap pointed to got a third vote (no - I didn't mean the son...) and we hoped to bring something home most times.

Afterwards we'd go to the Milano coffee lounge where Gino Merlo (now coffee entrepreneur) was then head waiter, and after "Dad" then "Mum", our son's next words were "Mozzarella toast" - our shared CBD hot lunch.

I remember once when herself tried on something especially beguiling, the little chap and I were so focussed that I didn't notice that he 3 and she 1.1/2 had strayed, till childish squeals suggested a finger caught in escalator, but it was only a squeal of delight at a monstrous teddy bear that they'd found just round the corner.

Very happy memories of shopping together, back when the love was young ....

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 21, 2008 12:42 AM

as a formerly old mbr who has recently returned it is good to see thats the site is alive and well with soooooo many stuck up women who are content on bringing men down a level or two...i was wondering when a blog will start up about why soooo many women on the site are so determined that they must have a trophy/male model to date..... ladies time to wake and say omg im nearly 40 still single and no kids and i spend every waking day on rsvp being rude or just down right impolite to the guys that arent male models etc etc...ladies if we atleast take the time to kiss/message you and you arent interested say so dont come with the crap like i am seeing some1 else or not replying at all........the funny thing is i havent been on here for about 4 years or so and i can still see 12 or so women doing the same crap they were pulling 4 years ago.........

anyways thats my dummy spit for the night

ugly and proud........kind, honest and romantic but alas something the rsvp trophy hunters will never see...........

Posted by: cordy1969 at March 21, 2008 12:36 AM

Oh if women were in charge of everything work would degenerate into cat fights and fighting over men only the good lookers or the willing would get a job.

Posted by: magellan2 at March 21, 2008 12:22 AM

Can't believe it I was going to melbourne next week , now I can hardly walk,it could be a fracture but I won't know till next week.
Is there a woman down there who can change my life ?
You know pick me,drive me around, put me in a wheel chair,take me out to St Kilda for photos and then to South Bank for lunch?
You could even get the opportunity to abandon the wheel chair with me in on a tram line on Flinders St. if things don't work out.
On the other hand I need a full time nurse for 2 days to wash and feed me and I pay pretty well.

Posted by: magellan2 at March 21, 2008 12:19 AM

Try this search on Google "She Invented". The first thing that you will see is a question that says "Did you mean 'He Invented'" Type in the opposite search "He Invented" and strangely you don't get asked "Did you mean 'She Invented'"

Programming glitch?

Posted by: boyfriendmaterial at March 20, 2008 11:53 PM

Why don't be just all admit that we are bored shitless and it would be lovely to meet someone who cares about us and laughs and is open and honest and makes us smile. We are all human beings and by nature we need each other, so play nice, don't judge and find out who the other person is, just let them be, don't look for bad stuff, everyone has so much beauty just let it shine and embrace it and if it works for you go with it and if it doesn't you have a good friend. It's all good enjoy the ride we are all a long time dead.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 20, 2008 10:30 PM

Just popped in to wish you all a very Happy Easter. Sorry, not bothering to post of late as not posting in real time has taken the fun out of it..Will still do the popping in bit and the quick browse but that's about it for the time being..

By the way, loved your post woodnwine.

Bob, I've seen you face to face sweetheart and nothing ugly about you ok..

Play nice ok!!! Cheers... "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 20, 2008 9:56 PM

Posted by: woodnwine at March 20, 2008 1:18 PM

("Posted by: aliane at March 20, 2008 12:20 PM, if I don't used in 2 years, dial charity or chuck in the bin.")

>"Alaine .... I think this may be how a lot of divorces start."

So Woodnwine mate, you're saying that if a man(?) doesn't do anything useful for TWO YEARS, he should still be looked after, waited upon and paid for, at the expense of his spouse's health, income and life?

At least Aliane has the good heart to consider gifting to charity, before dumping an unused object.

Posted by: justsaying at March 20, 2008 9:47 PM

Re post by: blueeyes1955 at March 20, 2008 4:09 PM.

How interesting that it is a female breaking down an assertion(?) with facts.

Posted by: justsaying at March 20, 2008 9:36 PM

>"As old saying...Two Heads is better than One."
Posted by: aliane at March 19, 2008 6:08 PM.

Couldn't say it better myself, aliane.

Except, if one was "brown nosing".

Posted by: justsaying at March 20, 2008 9:30 PM

Marcus,

Glad to see you agree with me.....I'd start to seriously worry about you otherwise!!!

I have to give you serious credit for tenacity and stamina....700 first dates alone.......that has to be some sort of commitment in itself!!

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at March 20, 2008 8:35 PM

"Because, once you've found it ... you stop looking." posted by: woodnwine at March 20, 2008 10:28 AM
.......gee..... I wish that concept applied to men on RSVP!! seems they keep on looking, no matter what they find!

blueeyes1955 (20 March 4pm) - well if there are, someone's not doing too well! Maybe I could entice him to sign up for my course, (day 2, lesson 3):
Bagging women doesn't get them to like you :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 20, 2008 8:20 PM

Awww Bob, now that's being a bit harsh on yourself,........
Nothing like a smooth head to get some ladies going...........that and a nice goatee and a few tatts..................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 20, 2008 8:19 PM

Marquis de Sade (19 March pm): re men’s achievements historically, that's hardly surprising, given that women did not gain admission to study at universities until 1871 in the US, and the United Nations Convention against Discrimination in Education was not introduced until 1958!

Prior to that, women could only succeed if taking on a man's persona (eg George Elliot). Since those repressed times, they have now been making up for lost ground, and girls out-excell boys in most subject areas today - yes - even maths! If you google successful women, you will see that the numbers have been increasing exponentially in the modern era. Welcome to the 21st century, my friend!

Posted by: riversong1 at March 20, 2008 8:02 PM

Cheers Vigil, Blueeyes, Bob, I agree mate you are one ugly SOB ;-}
The email count is a lot higher given ensuing correspondance.
Some of the stamps I've spent have been for amusement or to take issue. After all if somebody says something annoying or contentious in their profile, why miss the chance to humorously denigrate or have a lovely argument?
The initial date and catch up count is well over 700. I kept notes for a while and was going to write a tongue in cheek account of various experiences.
I've met and am friends with some interesting and fine women but being a commitment phobe and not really wanting to inflict myself on anyone means I've been circumspect about long relationships.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 20, 2008 8:01 PM

9 years and 48 books of stamps...surely that must be some kind of record? And Marcus...you still can't find anyone willing to stick out the hard yards with?

Maybe the 50th book will be the lucky one - or the 10 year anniversary.....Wow..can't imagine being here in a years time let alone another 8......

Happy Easter!

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 20, 2008 7:59 PM

Marcus I am seriously impressed - using up 11 stamps a month for 9 years is over double my batting average of 5 a month, for a bit over 2 years.

And what really impresses me is that you've kept it up for 4 times as long. That's a whole lot of effort in anyone's language.

Moving on from input measurements to output measurements ie. results, what dividends have you been getting from all that expenditure of stamps and typing time?

I've been getting about four first dates from every 5 stamps, and 96% of those first dates have then chosen to spend 3 hours plus on our first meeting, even though 90% of them were buying their own meal.

How does this compare with other people? Anyone else want to share some statistics with us all, so I can see how I'm doing?

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 20, 2008 7:00 PM

Hey Bob ... loved your comment.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 20, 2008 4:17 PM

In the land of equal opportunities here, I would like to think that if everyone buys and sends 6 stamps then they should also receive 6 stamps spent on them. So using your calculations, Virgil, that should double the amount of email contacts that Marcus has had to approximately 2304.Am curious to know whether there have been over 2000 women between the ages of 42 and 54 within the required radius of Melbourne on this site. Go Marcus.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 20, 2008 4:09 PM

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 19, 2008 11:16 PM

This was a very excellent posting:)

We will have true equality when we look at other people as just that, other people. We might come from different places and have different bits and pieces but we are all just people with all our individual ideosyncracies and foible, talents and lackings. I never read these sorts of jokes when people send them to me as they perpetuate competition and derision between the sexes.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 20, 2008 4:05 PM

Hi Marcus,

Has Virgil got it right - 9 years, 48 books of 24 stamps? Man, if thats true you have brightened up my day.....I thought that I was one ordinary, ugly SOB, but you got me cold......I bow to you!!!

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at March 20, 2008 2:58 PM

I doubt many males could rouse themselves even to mild annoyance over the list of course topics and the slights to masculinity they supposedly represent.
The divisions of labor sort of stuff highlighted are pretty well accepted.
Shopping is a carryover from the easy and repetitive task of carbohydrate food gathering which is/was womens work. Blokes had to sharpen their spears and go looking for the much more valuable and difficult to obtain protein. After running all day to bag a gazelle the man's eyes were apt to glaze when he was asked to admire/search for tuberous roots.
Same with mothers/wives/ girlfriends. I don't have sex with mum and (allowing for the 25 year age gap) but apart from that there is not much difference. Female parking is a metaphor for mechanical abilities (and a poor one); the female stress counterpart is often blokes handling youngsters. I was banned from niece handling by the sister in law for a year when I threw a 14 month old one up in the air face to face a couple of times as you do.
Yawn. Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 20, 2008 1:55 PM

"if I don't used in 2 years, dial charity or chuck in the bin.

Posted by: aliane at March 20, 2008 12:20 PM"

Alaine .... I think this may be how a lot of divorces start.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 20, 2008 1:18 PM

Turning the house upside-down looking for one piece?....oh well, wish I could find a man, house-trained, I adored well organized and tidy sanctuary home, everything should be in right place, easy to locate and stayed where they are and returned where suppose to be.
I like Minimalist Decoration, simple with good quality....don't like Clutters stuff decos...if I don't used in 2 years, dial charity or chuck in the bin.

Posted by: aliane at March 20, 2008 12:20 PM

Remember this is a bad time of the year to hang around, so get out and enjoy life.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 20, 2008 10:30 AM

LEARNING HOW TO FIND THINGS
Starting with looking in the right place
instead of turning the house upside down while screaming -

Why is it that when you lose something it's always in the last place you look? Because, once you've found it ... you stop looking.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 20, 2008 10:28 AM

Greetings all.
Well I must admit at first being a bit shirty at the topic, what I call male bashing. But the success of this blog in its pulling participation from the bloggers and the quality of the content, deserves an apology from me.

Marcus I agree with Willow, you put some of the most enlightening posts, sometimes glorious riposts, then seem obliged to lapse into crudity that does you (and us men) no credit.

Virgil you beat me to it, just on the law of averages, he must have cracked it at times. Wasn't there a blog a bit back on serial daters. Howsomever in future I will have to bow to his superior experience, maybe he could resort to my experience with long time relationships.

The input from the other women to many to mention has been a joy and an education, and if anyone comes back and calls that brown nosing, show you face and I will bite your nose off (virtually) .
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 20, 2008 10:25 AM

Its early Marcus, you are right, on Fiona Stanley.

9 years and 48 books of stamps, more than 5 books of stamps a year? 1152 Emails.

Have you actually found and met someone that you would like to have a relationship with?

That is perseverence way beyond what most people would be prepared to go. I hope you find success soon.

Keep posting, as you bring a different perspective here very witty, cutting and mostly accurate.

Posted by: virgil at March 20, 2008 9:46 AM

Marcus 20 Mar 8:39AM,

Your point is the one I and others are trying to make to you. You do have much to contribute both in time and content. Far more than I could ever find the time to contribute. In fact, without people such as yourself the blogs would be a lesser place.

Your right of reply is a given as it is for all.

But the way you express your thoughts is in part perceived by readers by your tone and the invective of your words.

All that I and from memory OG have said is your posts would be far richer and less likely to cause offence if you choose to combine your talent for content with respect for the individual. This can be easily done while presenting a different perspective as you again did in the 8:39AM post.

Do you realise how much you have to offer if you could channel just a small part of your energy into considering how your interactions could be more positive, I wonder?

I have no intention to be here for 9 years nor purchase 48 books of stamps so commercially you beat me hands down. However, I do hope some of the friendships and contacts I have made from here will persist that long and longer.

BTW as you have alluded to several times now I have off-blog contact with many males and females from here and I value every one of them so when the "mutual admiration" stuff is going on it is genuine and heartfelt. There are so many wonderful people who contribute to the blogs and I have no trouble saying this to them on-line and in private, they brighten my day as I hope I do theirs.

Enough said now, hopefully you will take this as intended as a positive response. I do regret I have found it necessary to defend myself again in the previous post, such a waste of words.

Posted by: willow1059 at March 20, 2008 9:27 AM

Karina.
Why can't you appear as moderators on other Fairfax blogs do with a photo and a little bio?
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 20, 2008 9:23 AM

Virgil champ.
I think Fiona Stanley won Australian of the Year rather than a Nobel. It would be fantastic if she were even nominated.

Seeing it is Easter, the time of the year when credulity needs to be suspended as we are treated like bunnies perhaps the Vatican will announce that Mary McKillop has won their version of a Nobel and been beattified.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 20, 2008 9:21 AM

hey riversong1 . I am a girl, just using one of our test accounts to post my comments.
Cheers,
Karina

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 20, 2008 9:21 AM

Karina rsvproductest - funny name for a 27 yo male!!

Posted by: riversong1 at March 20, 2008 9:12 AM

LEARNING HOW TO FIND THINGS
Starting with looking in the right place
instead of turning the house upside down while screaming - Good point on a winner with that one.

DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LAUNDRY BASKET & FLOOR
Practising with hamper (Pictures and graphics)
I dont think this point is gender specific, and if it was I think my son finds the laundry basket more frequently than my daughter used to.
GETTING OVER IT;
LEARNING HOW TO LIVE WITH BEING WRONG ALL THE TIME
This point took a long time to realise

Posted by: virgil at March 20, 2008 9:08 AM

You have a good point Marcus, however there is one woman doctor who has won a Nobel prize recently, a doctor Fiona Stanley I think her name is and she invented some kind of skin, or a new patent of it, as a treatment for victims of the Bail bombings.

Posted by: virgil at March 20, 2008 9:02 AM

Hey, I thought this was all a bit of a joke .... including the list I posted. People shouldn't get agrieved or angry unless some of the points in either list really strike a raw nerve and then they should ask why and do something about it (presuming that's possible).

Riversong ... in the sense of replying rather than arguing, your following points also apply to some women. These problems are not gender specific.

"3) Bagging women does not get them to like you.
4) No, there is no prize Competition for “who can bed down the most women on RSVP”.
5) Yes, you too can learn the polite art of exit without leaving her wondering whether you have died (advanced option – especially if you have dated/ slept together)."

Posted by: riversong1 at March 19, 2008 10:19 PM

Enjoy your Easter everyone.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 20, 2008 8:54 AM

Cheers Willow.
I wanted to find your thoughts on community standards and how you think blog censorship ought to work. It seems anything you are uncomfortable with is OK to bin. I've made mention of a couple of my standards and will add that right of reply is another. You and others were bleating about my tone; perhaps you could look at content?
This place is an internet dating site and I try to make fair contribution to any serious discussion. It is also a public forum adjunct to a business not a mutual admiration society or fan club.
Perhaps the moderators look at censorship commercially. They might decide that someone who has been here for 9 years and is on his 48th book of 24 stamps is worth a hearing?
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 20, 2008 8:39 AM

Hi guys, just to answer some of your questions.

1- I was not trying to cause a gender fight. I simply received this topic on an email and thought it was funny

2- Unfortunately I can't give a photo password but I might be able to tell you a few things about myself soon

3- I am a real person and my name is really Karina

4- I can talk to you guys from time to time but I also have work to do so I can't chat all day

5- Currently I am posting 2 blogs a week and this shall continue

Cheers,

Karina

P.S - Have a nice Easter everyone!!!!!!

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 20, 2008 8:39 AM

Amber
I am serious. And it is not me being a masculinist.
Can you name a pioneering female metallurgist, electronics engineer, combustion engine designer, architect or medical scientist apart from Curie?
There have only been 10 female Nobel Prize winners in physics, chemistry, physiology or medicine since 1901 and some of those were joint awards.There have been over 700 awards made.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 20, 2008 8:01 AM

Alianne @ 6.08pm: Yes! And very well put. Thank you for that good sense.

geminigirl# this morning: They say love is blind. So is Cupid - only looks for the age range you specified, and living within the radius you specified. Your job to check all the other parameters.

There's another way to do it - you design a more-exact search with more of the variables tied down, launch it, and then go through all the very few people that it finds, to sort out the smaller number of remaining variables.

On topic: a stanza from my 13-minute radio play for 2 voices (M and F), all in rhyme:

Femme: And we think it's heaven to shop till we're dropping,
but men won't come with us, to carry the shopping!

Male: Women go shopping for things they won't buy!
They fantasise purchase to get on a high.
That's not a game to appeal to a guy!
Leave us outside, where the talent walks by....

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 20, 2008 2:38 AM

L&T 19 Mar 1:20PM Your response to my post at 9:40PM in the now closed blog "if you disagree with something I say come out and nail it."
AND
"The school sandpit I remember had boys with hard elbows and girls with sharp tongues."

Lets see, I do a post congratulating you on your considered response indicating your disagreement to my post about moderation to get the above from you and more.

I shall follow your advice to come out and just say it.

Marcus at your age you should not still be in the school sandpit, it appears you need to justify your current behaviour by what you did a child. I say how about justifying your behaviour as an adult.

I stopped name calling and started to learn about positive social interactions around age 6, how old are you or do I need to start playing in the sandpit with you to find out .... would you like to throw the sand first, you can if you must?

Posted by: willow1059 at March 19, 2008 11:52 PM

Marcus @ 1:00 PM,
Are you really telling us that you believe that only MEN are responsible for improvements in medicine, nutrition, sanitation, housing, clothing, transport, recreation and culture "designed by men"?

A saying I heard in my childhood, Marcus: Pull the other one, it plays Jingle Bells!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 19, 2008 11:43 PM

WnW....at 19/3- 3:46pm

Domestic elective...that's environmentally friendly father's figure image eh....still OK...

Coiffure elective.... Couture, fashion designer, make-up artist, this are good for social butterflies...".let aim go...shopping time women "....

Relationship elective....nice and fair enough, a pleasing receptionist-hostess will filled the gap....I agree...

Sex elective......honeymooner's newly-wed experimental foreplay !!....how often it can be? how long it would last?... with kids, working fulltime, household chores, at this stage of age...well, well, well...spirit is willing... But....Body is deteriorating....c'mon be realistic !!...

Life elective.....Question 1.....Women are worst drivers but less damage car bills..
Q 2...I agree should be well keeper..
Q 3...be attentive...
Q 4...majority it's a Men's Job....why do I need a man in the house if he is helpless car's care-kit ...No Way...

Environmental elective.... Question 1...yeah right, blockage prevention, I agree..
Q 2....need a motor mechanics...i suppose..
Q 3...hmnn save energy and ozone-layers lesser impact of global warming....
Q 4...oh, water restriction impose...love to have bath spa, longer shower and scrubbing dead skin, more water consume... :)

Posted by: aliane at March 19, 2008 11:36 PM

Abckenny from the last blog. I also completely missed that you were the shop assistant waiting to be flirted with!!
I've never really thought about it. There are some really nice retail assistants out there, but for some reason I always think of the older males as already being attached!
I'm not sure why I would even think that, as it certainly has nothing to do with the "snob" factor, as the type of job a person does is no great issue for me. So thank you, I will look at retail assistants in a new light from now on!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 19, 2008 11:29 PM

Karina, you are a very brave woman!! I can hear the knives being sharpened and the teeth grinding.... Are you actually trying to 'bait' the women-despising men on this site?

It is good to see that some men on here can see the funny side in something that admittedly is a bit disrespectful to men, but I think every bloke can see a bit of himself in there! (and it doesn't necessarly spare us women either; we do like to be right and my kids hate grocery shopping with me!!)
I can also identify with the parking issue as well: sometimes I can parallel park brilliantly and sometimes I am hopeless!! (I can never tell which day is going to be a good day and which day is a spatial-free zone!)

As in most things including woodnwine's contribution some of it could apply to all of us! (I can remember a couple of boyfriends from my late teens/early twenties who spent far more time on their hair than I did! And ask any woman, most would have experienced more than once, the sudden exhaustion that overcomes some men once they have satisfied their initial appetite for sex)

It is really good to see that there are some men out there who don't easily take offence. This type of email was probably written to reply to all the "dumb blonde" (and the "little woman") jokes (and even TV shows) that have been circulating for decades!! The demeaning to men stuff is a relatively new phenomenon; I know the blokes don't like it but looking at past decades they do deserve some payback!!

The WICOE title is quite interesting because the fact that men need to be shown/taught any of this stuff actually shows how not "in charge" we women actually are!!
A real "Woman in Charge" never has ANY of the above problems; their partners and children just do it! (I have known one or two women like this and have always been amazed at how much they are adored and spoilt by their partners and how successful their children are!)
A real "Woman in Charge" just expects to be treated well and not taken for granted and it happens!
Maybe it's those of us women who aren't "in charge", that actually need the evening classes!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 19, 2008 11:16 PM

WnW....at 19/3- 3:46pm

Domestic elective...that's environmentally friendly father's figure image eh....still OK...

Coiffure elective.... Couture, fashion designer, make-up artist, this are good for social butterflies...".let aim go...shopping time women "....

Relationship elective....nice and fair enough, a pleasing receptionist-hostess will filled the gap....I agree...

Sex elective......honeymooner's newly-wed experimental foreplay !!....how often it can be? how long it would last?... with kids, working fulltime, household chores, at this stage of age...well, well, well...spirit is willing... But....Body is deteriorating....c'mon be realistic !!...
Life elective.....Question 1.....Women are worst drivers but less damage car bills..
Q 2...I agree should be well keeper..
Q 3...be attentive...
Q 4...majority it's a Men's Job....why do I need a man in the house if he is helpless car's care-kit ...No Way...

Environmental elective.... Question 1...yeah right, blockage prevention, I agree..
Q 2....need a motor mechanics...i suppose..
Q 3...hmnn save energy and ozone-layers lesser impact of global warming....
Q 4...oh, water restriction impose...love to have bath spa, longer shower and scrubbing dead skin, more water consume... :)

Posted by: aliane at March 19, 2008 11:06 PM

Also, a special course for women:

DAY 1
1) It’s not “elitist” for a brain surgeon not to date the orderly.

2) There’s no such thing as perfect – you or him.

3) It’s OK to say “NO” (ooops – I think there’s already a course on this one).

4) It doesn’t mean you’re unworthy, just because he’s a jerk (maybe this one too.)

DAY 2
1) Would you buy a house without looking inside?

2) Players can’t play without someone to play with.

3) Controversial debate: if you try to look/be sexy, don’t blame him for wanting sex.

4) Food for thought: do you really want to wash all those dirty socks?

Posted by: riversong1 at March 19, 2008 11:00 PM

Oh Marcus,where you find loo paper bits-thats gross.
All I can say is that I was too good a wife- I mowed the lawns,put out the garbage,cooked all the meals,cleaned everything,did all the shopping,painted the house as well as rearing the kids and working part time etc etc all because the hubbie reckoned that as my teaching day finished at 3.30pm then I had plenty of time before he got home to do all those things. And stupid me obliged.
I already do your version Woodwine so when my last partner happily wanted to cook I let him and happpily watched and kept him company,and topped up his wine glass.Would still rather mow the lawn then cook.If any of you guys want to paint my guttering in the near holidays then I will happily keep your ice cube trays filled up and drinks on hand.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 19, 2008 10:57 PM

I’d like to propose an alternative course (special two-for-one-discount) for men on RSVP:

DAY 1:
1) Why women might think you are not “honest” when they find out your real age/ marital status.

2) “Don’t smoke” means at any time, not just in between cigarettes.

3) Remote pressing is not a "sport".

4) Dead fish/ bare chests/ convertibles do not enhance your photo.

5) If you couldn’t imagine going out with someone 10 years older, why do you expect her too?

DAY 2:
1) No, women on RSVP are not related to the SIMS (virtual reality).

2) Just because she can’t reverse park doesn’t mean she is not intelligent.

3) Bagging women does not get them to like you.

4) No, there is no prize Competition for “who can bed down the most women on RSVP”.

5) Yes, you too can learn the polite art of exit without leaving her wondering whether you have died (advanced option – especially if you have dated/ slept together).

Posted by: riversong1 at March 19, 2008 10:19 PM

Nothing like a good "generalisation" to stir the pot....and to get both sexes to come out fighting. WnW, that's some list you put together, thankfully I don't need to attend your course...as i'm sure you don't need to take part in the one Karina may be suggesting.

What is it with toilet paper and men's peceptions? A roll in this house (2 females and the dude) lasts quite well, seats are down where they should be, can't recall flushing wrappers down the loo, can reverse park very nicely without the aid of sensors and/or gutters to remind me, never bother with make up, can be up, showered and out the house in under 10 minutes (feeding dog on the way), don't use hairspray (unless it is to freeze spiders on the wall until help arrives), and I even fill ice trays.

I can only imagine the hornets nest WnW's post will stir up,

Oh...I appreciate flowers and gifts, however, would prefer a handwritten note....do my own washing up, use a laundry basket and WnW..as for sex...obviously you've been practising with the wrong people :)

The moderation sucks but at least Karina is swapping topics more often than I have hot dinners.....even if they are crap !

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 19, 2008 9:59 PM

laughsandtalks - laughed out loud at the boxing glove analogy .... can relate to that one! Go the guys. HBTM!

Posted by: woodnwine at March 19, 2008 9:54 PM

Gee Karina - if men are so useless, what are we doing here in RSVP land trying to find one? (or vice versa for Woodnwine!)

Makes us all want to rush out and buy more stamps :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 19, 2008 9:23 PM

WoodnWine...that's so funny... " put-put " that's rapid intermittent sounds of small engine...

There must be a rally of Women's Delegates Committee, with all those pickets and placards...saying, "Women Rights'' basic principles of fundamentalist Union Wives.

Your prerequisite of passing Marks is too stiff...then...I am scratching my head Now?

As you describe of Simplicity is base on Perfectionism, Feminism, Commercialism, Socialism, and Sexism.

Can you little bit flexible and considerate...just plea of my case....

Posted by: aliane at March 19, 2008 9:00 PM

iaminperth

you buy the new Fiat Bambino or a Smart car ???

Posted by: hermanhesse at March 19, 2008 8:17 PM

On WICOE.
There is nothing round the home a bloke cannot do...
Friends of mine had their first kid when they where in their early 40's. She suffered terribly from PN depression and had difficulty feeding junior.
As an exemplar male he underwent a course of estrogen treatment, grew breasts and suckled the baby. Seriously.
Cheers Marquis

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 19, 2008 7:03 PM

Wow Karina you really do want to P the guys off!!!!!

Some, as in notgodsgift, will take this in the manner possibly intended, others not so.

And Oldergent l think you are right, if this blog topic was aimed at women and written by a man, it would be labelled sexist and derogatory,but guys, and l mean men, don't use this topic to simply slag off at all women.
Hey l readily admit that reverse parking is NOT in my vocabulary, that when my car needs more than an oil and tyre check its time to visit my mechanic, and that the RACV is there for me if l run out of petrol or get a flat tyre. That's why l pay my subscription.

And l see that Woodnwine has addressed the imbalance already in a funny way....see l do have a sense of humor and found that quite witty :-)
Can't wait until he with numerous names gets a hold of this topic..........

Oh, and my other silly trait??? I don't have one......................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 19, 2008 6:42 PM

Thank you "Justsaying"...you resemble one of blog malefriend here, he is so honest, likeable engaging good natured winsome. I was once said to him " can you imagine marrying the whole family clan" how it sounds like WICOE ..

I am not in-favourable that women in charge of everything. Men physically stronger than women, doesn't matter if women knows all best household chores.... In my case being independent, so many times I'm still wishing and hoping a man inside the house,...there are things cannot ignored the importance of a man presence...a protection for safety reason, mechanical/ electrical housework, heavy workload job, car maintenance, decision making, supportive, caring....both has own responsibilities, should be mutual respect, appreciation to give and take designated tasks then would run smoothly far from disagreement and misunderstanding....Teamwork & Unity....is all the matters...
As old saying...Two Heads is better than One.

Posted by: aliane at March 19, 2008 6:08 PM

Woodnwine
The toilet paper elective is worth a unit by itself. I've seen it with my own eyes; a women on the throne with what looks like a boxing glove on; at least half a roll wrapped around her hand.
The other one that gets me is finding forgotten or lost little toilet paper balls in her intimate crevices. Haha.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 19, 2008 5:48 PM

Woodnwine
The toilet paper elective is worth a unit by itself. I've seen it with my own eyes; a women on the throne with what looks like a boxing glove on; at least half a roll wrapped around her hand.
The other one that gets me is finding forgotten or lost little toilet paper balls in her intimate crevices. Haha.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 19, 2008 5:48 PM

WnW, damn. I was not going to post anymore on this blog, but then comes your riposte to this blog, congratulations, better one than the blog topic., Katrina post this one as the next blog topic. Then expect a few more additions to the excellence of WnW's effort.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 19, 2008 5:45 PM

Bob, soooo true. It is a joke that did the rounds at my work, the same as the one with the courses for women!!!! So have a laugh.

But I remember my ex always lost his car keys and accued me of moving them, don't know why as I had my own car, so I would make up suggestions about where he could look!!! But he never saw the funny side to it.....and my two sons bloody loses thier keys and wallets tooo, it must be in the male genes!!!!! have a lovely evening all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 19, 2008 5:30 PM

Karina,
I am still waiting for the photo password. lol
Cheers OG.

Posted by: oldergent at March 19, 2008 3:57 PM

Guys (and I mean the men),

Get over it...this is a joke....but with more than a modicum of truth attached. We all know these guys.....some only have to look in the mirror!!

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at March 19, 2008 3:50 PM

Course designed for women:

Domestic elective
1. Toilet paper - how to make a roll of paper last for more than 2 days and help save the planet in the process.
2. Toilet lids - how to close them.
3. Tampon wrappers - correct disposal techniques as they, contrary to popular belief, do not flush properly and even when they do they can not be processed at the waste treatment plant. This also gains credits for your environmental elective.
4. How to fill up ice cube trays - simple instructions including video.
5. How women too can take out the trash.

Coiffure elective
1. How to select the correct outfit the FIRST time when going out.
2. How to exit the house without spending 30 minutes applying makeup - unbelieveable but achievable.
3. How to dress correctly for simple occassions.
4. How to make hair look good without using half a can of hairspray.
5. How to understand that most men don't like a lot of makeup.

Relationship elective
1. How to talk to your partner while he is washing the dishes. Optional add on - how not to fall asleep while your partner is washing the dishes.
2. How not to fall asleep immediately after dinner.
3. Correct appreciation of flowers and other gifts.
4. How to not hold a grudge .... for ever.

Sex elective
1. Women can participate in foreplay too.
2. How to stay awake during sex and why it is important to your partner.
3. How to give your partner verbal and physical directions during sex.
4. How to understand there are some things your partner wants too.

Life elective
1. How to reverse park.
2. Correct storeage of car keys so you don't spend 15 minutes looking for them every time you leave the house.
3. How to avoid locking your keys in the car.
4. How to check oil and tyre pressure so you don't get HUGE maintenance bills.

Environmental elective
1. Not everything can be flushed down the toilet. Credits can be earned through completion of domestic elective.
2. How tyre pressure directly affects fuel consumption.
3. How to turn lights off when you leave a room.
4. How to keep shower times under 10 minutes.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 19, 2008 3:46 PM

My one and only blog on this subject.
If a man said it, it would be sexist and demeaning, So you women want equality? I have no need to go to the classes, pretty old hat to men that have been single for a while,
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 19, 2008 2:41 PM

yay, go Marcus, totally boring school yard stuff. By the way I can park, I can actually park really well and enjoy the challenge, also like to have a laugh when a man tells me I can't...bit competitive I suppose and it's funny. Have no sense of direction though, regularly travel the scenic route to get to the destination, however, always get there. Does it really matter who can park and who can't though, isn't getting to where you want to go far more important.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 19, 2008 1:39 PM

On WICOE
Well, not on WICOE.
Willow 9:40 am, you mention 'community standards' as a reference for blogging etiquette, yet when pressed make no real suggestions. In fact, as usual your post is verbose, bland and non specific.
A community standard I have grown up with is the naming of people who you are singling out or making allegations of bad behaviour against. Instead of sooking to your coterie, if you disagree with something I say come out and nail it.
The school sandpit I remember had boys with hard elbows and girls with sharp tongues. Often though the most unpleasant aspect of it was discovering buried cat's crap, sorta like finding the obseqious entreaties to censorship authority here.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 19, 2008 1:20 PM

virgil - I think with a lot of people, not just men, their first "live-in" relationship was marriage ... for many it was their first "living away from home" experience. This can lead to problems of adjustment and can also lead to more problems of adjustment after that marriage ends, probably more so for men than for women ... but also for women.

Many men went from living with their parents to being married to suddenly living on their own for the frist time in their lives ... yikes! Clean? Cook? Shop? What the?

I think this is what leads to these jokes and compartmentalisation of the sexes. But then there are women who had to cook and do all the household chores while the husband worked and now suddenly they are living alone for the first time or the first time in ages. Their attitude is often ... I did all that for years and got no thanks, now I'm on my own I can't be bothered.

All this can make re-partnering a new challenge ... hopefully one we can all rise to, given the right opportunity with the right person.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 19, 2008 1:11 PM

On WICOE.
What about:

HUMANS LIVING SATISFYING LIVES TWICE AS LONG AS WE ONCE DID.
Improvements in medicine, nutrition, sanitation, housing, clothing, transport, recreation and culture designed by men.

Cheers Marcus.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 19, 2008 1:00 PM

justsaying @ 11.50 ...

Thanks.
Your post answered my question anyway.

Posted by: decoratress at March 19, 2008 12:29 PM

ok the bit about women not being able to park is true :P

Posted by: boyfriendmaterial at March 19, 2008 10:55 AM

maybe its a bit of multi tasking? the eyes scanning shop windows for specials, so parking using "feel the bump" and sound.

Posted by: virgil at March 19, 2008 12:29 PM

I as I suspect, most blokes my age, had the first major live in relationship was my marriage.

I also think that if I had lived by myself for about 2 years before my marriage, I would have had a better idea of the complexity of tasks.

I thinki i saw a lot of the domestic duties as something better left till the afternoon/evening where I would have less time stress to get the earnng money stuff out of the way. The problem there being that jobs seem to expand to fill the available time, and things didnt get done in the afternoon/evening as I was tired.

Posted by: virgil at March 19, 2008 12:22 PM

Sorry, this is off topics here, I want to clear something making a big headlines,

Re- I have seen the body language of Postie, very nice, open and honest..OG.

I given password to peeked my profile and my photos to OG. I understand his comments and sense of humour seeing me only in my pictures, Not in real meeting face to face talks. I honestly declared haven't meet any Bloggers in person. Now I understand why people picking on me, reason they thought, I am a serial players/daters...No No No..I am Not.
I am genuine and honest, decent woman outside blogs parameters. All my blogpost are my cheekiness, funny-twistiest sense of humour and honest opinion taken from all local & overseas facts-findings experiences.... Thanks..

Posted by: aliane at March 19, 2008 12:07 PM

Leftover from the previous topic -aliane at March 18, 2008 9:31 PM,
you are so clever with your different routes of communication.
(My server also has completely different humans using it and everyone cannot be held liable for all that passes through it.)

However, although males are not always gifted at seeing the detail, being more the big picture types, the timing of that 9:31pm post was quite illuminating.

I do have to admit at times, a female brain can be too convoluted (or even too curious, such as our Decorative one) for a poor old male brain.

But males do have their purposes. They're pretty good at focussing on one thing, putting aside irrelevant emotions (I don't mean emotions are irrelevant all the time) and getting a job finished.

(Even if there are some males who can't get past their primitiveness, descend to cavemen level and just keep on and on, OCDing, spinning their wheels -or should I say pawing the ground- until they're bogged even deeper in a mire of their own making.)

But I say, "vive la difference!"

A good man, like a good woman, is worth their weight in gold.

-Also, the positive and constructive types such as yourself Aliane.
Peace to you. :)

Posted by: justsaying at March 19, 2008 11:50 AM

boyfriendmaterial ... well said. Men have changed and many are more domesticated than we are given credit for. Anyway, have to presume it's all tongue in cheek .... or is it? Ummm ....

Posted by: woodnwine at March 19, 2008 11:37 AM

The usual over generalisations about the differences between the sexes. I think that most of those comments above relate more to my 3 young daughters.

Men not domestic huh? Times are changing. Not all guys are the same. I''m constantly amazed at women's perceptions about us men.

ok the bit about women not being able to park is true :P

Posted by: boyfriendmaterial at March 19, 2008 10:55 AM

and before the equality screamers start, relationships, i.e., same sex included, there is usually a stronger and a weaker, by choice or maybe that's just the way it is. I still believe communication and respect is the key and how to attain that is the elusive question I'm afraid and liking and loving that person just the way they are.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 19, 2008 10:52 AM

Ladies just keep moving the blokes stuff around and then finding it for him and they'll love you forever. As for going shoping with a guy no way, however are you going to spend all his money and then tell him what a bargain you got !!! Only joking, like it or not it all goes back to the Hunters and Gatherers theory, Men make the living and we make the living easy, a little convulated today but I believe the basics are still there.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 19, 2008 10:48 AM

Should we comment or not? That is the question.

When I was married ...
I always filled the ice trays ... aargh!
The 2 women in the house used about 200 times as much toliet paper as I did
Daughter had no idea how to use a laundry basket
Daughter used to watch TV with remote permanently in hand
Flowers were often bought but rarely appreciated
Wife couldn't read a map to save herself ... thank heavens for the GPS
I did nearly all the grocery shopping

Remember ... not all men are the same ... nor all women. But hey, we can take a joke.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 19, 2008 10:24 AM

justsaying @ Mar18, 9.28pm (on TheDigitalWorld topic, now closed)...

You referred to my question Mar18, 1.44pm, &
gave the reason you hide your profile, adding "as much as I would like to satisfy your curiosity".
My curiosity was due to thinking you are, perhaps, someone I know... your posts have a remarkable resemblance to theirs, in their style, word skills & content. I merely wished to confirm or dispel the notion- perhaps you will do so for me?

Posted by: decoratress at March 19, 2008 10:05 AM

WOW....

Another topic playing on gender traits (taken to the extreme) in a derogatory way, in a 'humorous' format.

Hmmmm.

I'm sure Marcus will have something to say about it..

Perhaps the topic after this, will be something along the same lines, but offering up the women's traits for trashing, instead of the men's?

What happened to all the suggestions for topics on their 'suggest a topic' blog?
Did rsvp never read them?

'Karina'.... helloooooo.......?

Posted by: decoratress at March 19, 2008 9:51 AM

I laughed and laughed at this one. Last night I spent ten minutes looking for my sons keys he blamed me for loosing.
I said where did you put them. He said on the bench so I moved the couch. There they were.
He doesn't live at home now and not my other children but all those things are so true of when they did.
I am very happy now. I have my very own remote and know where it is all the time.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 19, 2008 9:48 AM

Well Karina I have seen this before several times but of course there are also female versions.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 19, 2008 9:34 AM

Good Morning everyone - firstly let me apologise as I do feel the need to vent but could not find anywhere else to write this. Of course if this site had like a forum set up rather than a blog we'd all be right - then subjects and comments would stay more in line. ANYWAYS have no doubt that my debut comment into the blogs very well may be deleted before going to air - but like I said I feel the need to vent.
Once again I have received my regular email with my LATEST MATCHES FROM CUPID! and once again its all shite! My profile clearly states that I am a little overweight but still I constantly get only matches from cupid asking for slim or athletic girls. If HIS profile states he's looking for a slim or athletic girl why the hell would he be part of my cupid matches? I've double checked my Ideal Partner stats and they are all correct - and not to mention the ones that say they want more kids when my clearly states no more.
OK thanks for the typing space - and again sorry for this being off subject (and yes I do plan on going back and reading your Blog starter for today thanks Karina). hopefully, this doe "go to air" so other members can comment too.
and please dont let my comments cloud the fact that I have suggested that RSVP set up a forum area not just have these blogs that go off subject. Ta! GeminiGirl4510

Posted by: geminigirl4510 at March 19, 2008 9:31 AM