RSVP Blog

Thank you so much for your great comments but this blog is now closed.
Cheers,
Karina

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 31, 2008 10:41 AM

WnW @ 7.49am: I agree, but I think that once you get to love her, her looks become more beloved, rather than more beautiful. That's how it's been for me.

I also noticed in my early 20s that when a girl (any of them) fell asleep with her head in my lap, her face, lit by midnightish moonlight through the windscreen of my Mum's Zephyr, actually did become more beautiful. Because it was totally calm and relaxed.

Naughty Officer Krupke at 6.26am Sunday was talking about "the Woodstock 1960s era when NO woman was sexually unattractive."

That was the era when at South Molle Island Resort they had beauty competitions in the evening, in which the contestants wore bags over their heads, so that the young male voters/punters wouldn't be distracted from the bits that really mattered.

Can't remember now from the article in Pix whether they wore togs or wet t-shirts - I think the wet cold t-shirt nipples only came into prominence in the 70s.

Even back then, I for one wasn't looking for something as narrow-spectrum as a mindless f**kbuddy, so I waited till I'd heard a girl talk for a while, before I decided if she was shag-material for me.

JenJen @ 10.16pm: I am very disappointed in you, for the first time ever.

That wasn't funny - it was blatantly and offensively ageist, and I would have chopped it, Karina. Far more inyerface to seniors than our misenthropes are to women.

In 20 years time when I'm 92, and a third of it applies to me and/or to her, we'll still get by, and be glad the neighbours are deaf. For their sake. Jealousy's a curse.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 31, 2008 10:01 AM

Dodgy Roger has asked me to post something for him from his Sunday sermon as he has had difficulties in logging on.

Dodgy wants to say-

‘No need to worry too much about whether to have sex on the first date or twenty months down the track.

It will all be done for you. Just line yourself up a sleaze bag from the males on this site:

“Computer predators lure women into face-to-face danger
Article from:
Paula Doneman
March 29, 2008 11:00pm
News Limited

HOPES of internet romance have turned into nightmares for some Queensland women who have allegedly been raped by men they have met through online dating.
However, police said the crime was under-reported as victims often were embarrassed or blamed themselves.

Detective Inspector Cameron Harsley said police were yet to receive any formal complaints. However, police and sexual assault services had been told of several cases of rape in recent months.

"Anecdotally some women feel they haven't been raped because they have entered into a date and feel they have allowed it to happen," said Det-Insp Harsley of the Sex Crimes Group, State Crime Operations Command.

"Offenders who plan an attack on someone are clever enough to have the circumstances sit in their favour."

He said internet dating was replacing more traditional forms of meeting the opposite sex and often lulled some users into a false sense of security.

"Some people think it is a safer process, but the same dangers exist as if they were meeting for the first time at a bar or hotel," he said.

In many cases, people felt they were more in control because there was no physical contact as they began communicating with potential suitors.

"Many people assume rape is always committed by an unknown offender stalking a woman, but we know that is not the case – most people are raped by people they know or have had contact with," Det-Insp Harsley said.

He urged anyone using online dating to be vigilant about personal safety and to seek help if they were attacked.

"We encourage victims to at least contact sexual assault services and seek medical help and, if they can, get forensically examined," he said.

Police would then be in a better position to proceed rather than if victims waited to make a complaint six months later.

The Brisbane Sexual Assault Service confirmed it had received complaints from women who had been raped by men they met on internet dating sites.

Hannah Schwartz, general manager of internet dating company rsvp.com.au, said the company provided its clients with a safety guide and encouraged them to adopt protective behaviour.

Ms Schwartz said the company would remove a person's profile from the site if there were repeated complaints, and she was not aware of anyone who had been raped as a result of internet dating."

Posted by: richardzkruspe at March 31, 2008 9:58 AM

I like the John Gray books, Mars & Venus, because I had not previously realized the different thinking patterns between men and women.

Different value structures. The claim by Boyd that he is so different from both men and women, so he is from Pluto.

I'm not sure of the correct term so I will use the scientific descriptor of "bits".
I was under the impression that males had 51 male bits and 50 female bits and females had it the other way around. Now if that is right, it would seem we are a lot closer than we may have thought.

But 55% Mars & 45% venus, to me is just that, 0% Pluto?

Posted by: virgil at March 31, 2008 9:47 AM

timewarp, yes, was contemplating the issue of what attracts females or males to a profile, with my conclusion being you really only want to attract the appropriate person who resonates with what you have to write - so if you're a female writing and the majority of men (should that indeed be the case) just don't "get it", they're obviously not the man for you anyway.

Marcus, have absolutely no idea what you have against yoga! It's exceedingly good for the body and soul. It certainly increases flexibility. You'd like that, wouldn't you??

himagain, you asked for thoughts on self help books. I agree that like with all things, there's so many different opinions - with so many contradicting each other - it can be confusing. But I don't take anything I read onboard as an "absolute" truth; just thoughts to ponder, sift through the beliefs I already hold to see if they add anything to them, or indeed consider them as a whole new concept if it's not something I already hold as a belief - in other words be shown a totally different way of approaching something rather than be closed minded.

Then the things I've found of value, stay with me, and the rest drift off into the ether quite happily....

Posted by: malsie at March 31, 2008 9:01 AM

Virgil - I'm sure I've said this before, but just in case I haven't - I like your profile. :-)

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 30, 2008 5:29 PM
I feel very honoured for you to say that Deborah, and I find your profile and what you write here really imaginitive and well thought out and stated. Thank you
Doug

Posted by: virgil at March 31, 2008 8:57 AM

What makes a person attractive (to you)? I think it's an interesting question and it's certainly more than just looks. I also believe, as I hinted below, that if you really click with someone they actually become more attractive to you (physically). Is this because you forgive them their inadequacies (which we all have) or that we actually learn to like them and find them cute? I've had this ... where a person actually looks different once you start to click and think the phenominon is very interesting.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 31, 2008 7:49 AM

himagain - I have read a few relationship books that people have recommended and they can give some good tips just so long as you don't try to live your life by them .... after all, each person is different.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 31, 2008 7:44 AM

guiltypleasure @ 5.50pm: After demolishing the High Panjandrum so deliciously, you gave us golden advice. Please do stay and grace the sandpit!

oohlala1 @ 12.48pm posted:

"...the blog hogs get annoyed about new people and be rude all the time. Look how Richard has been rude to me and women in their fifties.
These men and women think they own the blogs and rate peoples posts and tell them what they should say or patting on the back all the time."

1) Yes - Naughty Officer Krupke can sound quite nasty sometimes. That's how he amuses himself. Don't take it to heart.

He used to be very clever and funny too, in between, but I suspect he's had something bad happen to him since Christmas, because his light seems to have gone out when he stopped fishing.

2) And yes - you can tell us frequent posters what to do and what not to do, as you did in the next part of that post. But be warned that I for one am going to disobey you.

When someone posts something that really delights me, 20 lalas in concert won't stop me from thanking them for enriching my life.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 31, 2008 1:05 AM

Geminipom @ 2.19pm: What made you thing I was talking about you, ma'am?

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 31, 2008 12:36 AM

Malsie @ 12.27pm re guiltypleasure's profile: Yess!

I reckon Marcus is rubbishing it because she writes even better than he does, but he is certainly right about one thing: it will warn off men who are not up to her requirements - without giving offence. I specially liked that. Stops them wasting one another's time.

sunrize @ 6.11pm on mine at 2.48pm: No, not quite the way you took it. You think if she's a real babe or he's a real hunk, that's a real bonus, although it can make blokes a bit self-centred.

Talking about good-looking babes, I'd go a mile further than saying that.

I've sent out most of 300 carefully-targeted kisses over 2 and a bit years. A third invited my email, a third said No Thanks, and a third didn't even have the manners to reply "get lost."

What I found extremely interesting was that nearly all the bad-mannered ones had profiles with very little to recommend them - except unusually good looks.

Reminded me of my mother's advice when I started dating at 20: "Look for a girl with a body that delights you, and a face that's plain enough to keep her humble." Onyer, Mum!

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 31, 2008 12:32 AM

There has been mention of a few realtionship books and guides.

I have a female friend who seems to reading a new book, on the subject, every week.

One week she believes this, the other that and the next she has different beliefs all together.

She's so confused.

Do we really need books to teach us about how to relate to the opposite sex?

If we do, and we follow the advice, suggestions or plans such books offer; are we really being honest and, more importantly, being ourselves?

Any thoughts?

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 31, 2008 12:06 AM

Femalepersuasion March 30 2:02.
Re profile tips. The first one I'll offer you is to reveal the one you have. And FFS don't mention yoga. Haha.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 31, 2008 12:06 AM

Seniors sex guide.............

Put on your glasses. Double check that your partner is actually in bed with you.

Set timer for 10 minutes, in case you doze off in the middle.

Set the mood with lighting. Turn them ALL OFF!

Make sure you put 000 on your speed dial before you begin.

Write partner's name on your hand in case you can't remember.

Keep extra Polygrip close by so your teeth don't end up under the bed.

Make all the noise you want. The neighbours are deaf too.

If it works, call everyone you know with the good news.

Don't even think about trying it twice.

Posted by: jenjen57 at March 30, 2008 10:16 PM

woodnwine - sorry what I actually meant was let's say you meet someone new and you really hit it off and there is an attraction - should they be attractive/good looking that's a huge bonus. Sometimes people that you first look at and think hmm I don't know turn out to be completely different than you first thought. I guess that old adage "don't judge a book by it's cover" can be true. However, having said that some guys who are good looking have a huge ego and that's not a good thing. If you're with me you're with me... not looking at the next best thing that may come along... I hope that makes sense? :) Deborah

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 30, 2008 10:13 PM

sunrisesiesta - I think I understand what you are saying .... if you meet someone and really hit it off with them they suddenly become gorgeous in your eyes ... suddenly they look different. Aaah!

Posted by: woodnwine at March 30, 2008 9:10 PM

timewarp1 - I concur with your comment re looks. To me if you meet someone and hit it off and they just happen to go georgous/hot then that is a huge bonus. Beauty can only be skin deep, and most good looking guys I've met know it and have the ego to match - ie. their egos cash cheques their bodies can't cash. So yes, good looking/hot people are a bonus - a rarity but a bonus nonetheless.

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 30, 2008 6:11 PM

Laughsandtalks, too much gynoid? Is that the opposite of testoid? I can't change who I am, and don't really want to - I'm genetically inclined to XX chromosomes and so in person that translates to Every Inch A Woman. As for the wording of my profile, if it puts you off, tough. I actually do walk along a beach each evening, bag of freshly deposited dog poop in hand, and found myself looking at each man who walked by, hence the wording. As a veteran of 900 first dates, or kisses, or whatever, no doubt you can regale me with your insights as to what men want. I await with heaving breasts...

Now, to the topic at hand: Sex. Yes, yes, yes. The hows, or wheres or whens are irrelevant. The only thing to remember regardless of age, or experiences is to do what feels right to you. Don't do it if you think he'll/she'll like you more. Don't do it because it was last century the last time you did it. Don't do it because it make you feel loved - a trap for female players quite often - and don't do it as revenge.

In my experience I have done it five hours after meeting someone - it was the start of a relationship that lasted 15 years - and done it six months after meeting someone and when the sexual tension was so great I practically jumped his bones. It lasted two more weeks. The stud unfortunately was a dud. Nothing could have improved his technique and I was unwilling to tell him and deflate his ego. He's still a friend, and now with another girlfriend. Evidently it works better for them.

Trust your intuition. No matter your age or your experiences, you should never lose touch with what feels right for you. Take all the time you want, or play and have fun. The person and the relationship I am looking for will come my way sooner or later, and in the meantime, I'll keep tuned in to the games people play.

Posted by: guiltypleasure at March 30, 2008 5:50 PM

Virgil - I'm sure I've said this before, but just in case I haven't - I like your profile. :-)

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 30, 2008 5:29 PM

Marcus - thanks for clearing that up for me then. That's about as clear as mud. Love your work. :P

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 30, 2008 5:25 PM

Oohlala.
I'd like your recipe for the Minestrone, I had a Florintine Grandmother and use her's but would be interested in seeing how you make yours. Seeing I have spent most of the day making my change of season Stocks, I would have made the Jus but unfortunately I had to see if the Red was good enough, It was a bit too good, so I will have to get another one not so good. I would consider it an honour to be a friend and have the stamp to prove it, let me know if you approve. I hope you do not consider me as one of those in the last paragraph of your post @ 3.48. but maybe I am if so sorry.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 30, 2008 4:38 PM

Richard I google your name and think I see the pics you use for Roger. No I am not that bored but the name interested me a little.
I dont know who you think I am but I am not Iron chef, sugarbabe, slimey or getreal. I can cook and give you recipes. Is my job to cater to visiting celebrities. Last week I make minestrone for Sinnead Oconnor. You want the recipe. Very tasty but she didnt have any. Is in my fridge as we speak.
I am not a bad speller. English is my second language and so I am more accurate than many Aussies. Is that a crime here too? I joined here in January and met soemone in February and as I have said is going okay so far. Who knows?
Lookingforlove2008 I dont know how long to wait because I've been seeing this man for six weeks now and it is starting to be a bit awkward waiting. We will probably end up now just good friends. Guess we need to have the right moment for it to happen naturally now. I am now nervous about it.
I dont think it matters as long as you take the precautions. If he is a player you will still be safe from catching anything.
Firelightlady I thought it was a good thing for the blogs to be dalayed because more people started to post and there was some interesting readin finally but no the blog hogs get annoyed about new people and be rude all the time. Look how Richard has been rude to me and women in their fifties.
These men and women think they own the blogs and rate peoples posts and tell them what they should say or patting on the back all the time. Who cares. Just say something interesting for a change or be helpful not mean and suspicious.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 30, 2008 3:48 PM

Marcus @ 6.47pm last night - it's early autunm - I'm guessing a blow-job machine for leaves. (Later - yup.)

Naughty Officer Krupke @6.26am: I see you still get up at fishfart (that's just before spadgefart, newbies.)

Mate, I gotta try to put you straight on this. You're putting your words into my mouth, and without CPR even! (client permission request)

What I really said was that a large majority of the post-menopausal women that I meet in RSVP (and in Dabblers and elsewhere) do not turn me on.

That doesn't mean I find them unattractive, or unattractive-looking. Or unsuitable to become dear friends. I just have absolutely no wish to check what brand of undies they wear, let alone whether they're from Brazil.

And I challenge any man reading this to admit that he's not the same - some of them you happen to fancy, whether or not they fancy you (which takes at least 4 seconds to find out, if that's the first question you ask them...)

And some you don't fancy. If they were handing it out on the street, you'd walk past along the opposite footpath, looking earnestly into the shop windows.

I'm guessing the real difference between different men is the percentage of women of eligible age that would cause you to think "Pass."

Which mainly depends on which of your 2 heads is doing the choosing. I got married 40-odd years ago becase the little chap was in the driving seat.

Once bitten, twice shy. Now I'm choosing with the head that has 2 eyes and 2 ears, and in my perfect partner profile, her physical beauty gets a very small mention at the end - nice, but an optional extra. So many other factors are more important to me at 72 going on 62.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 30, 2008 2:48 PM

I haven't read the blogs for a few days, so apologies if my comments are a bit behind the eight ball!

Timewarp: I'm not exactly a "newbie", having posted on previous blogs, "Dating Over 40", and "Deal Makers and Breakers". Until the nest of vipers came out and spoiled the fun and friendship of the blogs. It seems to be safe to venture back now, so here I am.

Amdoingit Mar 27, 2.01pm: Bellydancing is a fun way to keep fit. You will find it is sensual, not sexual like a lot of people seem to think. It's all about celebrating being a woman. It's good for the self-esteem, too.

Himagain: I like the way you think. And good on you for keeping a cool head and not rising to the bait of those who seem to be trying to provoke you.

OK, now for the topic. I don't believe in sex on the first date or meeting, unless I was just looking for a casual sexual relationship.

I feel if he shows interest, but is willing to wait, it is a sign that he respects me. The longer he is prepared to wait, the more I will respect him, and more likely to respond to his advances sooner rather than later. But it has to feel "right", not just sex for the sake of sex. I need to feel something in my heart for him before I will consider sharing my body with him. And to feel that he feels something for me, too, besides lust.

I did engage in a brief casual sexual fling last year. He told me up front that he was not offering me a relationship, only sex. I accepted that, or thought I did. The trouble is, he constantly talked about the other woman he was "bonking" (his term), and this really upset me.

Was it selfish of me to expect him to focus on ME when we were together?

I guess I'm just not cut out for casual sex...

Posted by: geminipom at March 30, 2008 2:19 PM

Laughs&talks @ 12.53 pm today-so what is it that blokes go for ? Are you meaning the way females write their RSVP profiles?
Could you elaborate what attracts you to a profile and what turns you off ? I am referring to the written word in particular.

Posted by: femalepersuasion at March 30, 2008 2:02 PM

Marcus, that's interesting - great if you're attempting to attract another woman, but not much use if you're not! I won't plagiarise it then! (don't worry, GP, I wouldn't dream of it...)

Posted by: malsie at March 30, 2008 2:01 PM

Lookin4love2008 - don't take comments from MS personally, the underlying subject got lost a while ago amidst the regulars bloggerbashing... he said, she said, he's single, no he's not... time for a change maybe.

Posted by: firelightlady at March 30, 2008 1:06 PM

Malsie.March 30 12:27
I read guiltypleasures profile after she had a dig at me.

I thought the opposite to you. Well written and creative but much too gynoid for most men. The "were you the man" device was a nice try but overworked.
There seems to be a female profile genre that women bloggers relate strongly to. It attracts them but is quite different to what blokes go for.
MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 30, 2008 12:53 PM

guiltypleasure March 30 10:56AM

Thanks for your concern about my life; did you also have something to say about the topic?
I had a good night out last. Nice restaurant meal with a female friend then fun at the pub 'til 3am. Some live music and dancing and nice socialising and people watching.
Read the Sunday Age at a Lygon St cafe and home to blog a bit.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 30, 2008 12:41 PM

guiltypleaure - fantastic profile. If I was a bloke, I'd fall in love with you, for sure :)
(no, not having a sapphic moment, just the best profile I've read in ages, and damn shame it happens to be a woman's!!)

Posted by: malsie at March 30, 2008 12:27 PM

lookin4love2008.
Your question has been covered ad nauseum. Suggest you scroll down and read the posts in this topic.
MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 30, 2008 12:25 PM

Richieboy, I think both men and women have double standards.Know some of each gender.As to your comments on appearances, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we each have our own preferences on what we see as good looking. On both sides of the fence I have seen the most unlikely couples in matching looks.There are good looking men with unattractive women and vice versa. obviously those people can look beyond the outer layer and see a person for their true worth.
Laughsand talks- yes have played with new boy toy-it could have blown me away. (it is a Vikin 600 garden blower).
Timewarp-dancing was great. More men than women for a change-i was in my element.Didn't get home till well after midnight.And the teasing is fine-I enjoy a little bantering etc.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 30, 2008 12:06 PM

laughsandtalks, NINE posts since 6.30 last night. Do you sleep? Do you have a life? Do you have any other interests away from being a very large fish in this very small blogging pond?

Some perspective man - you need to get out more.

Posted by: guiltypleasure at March 30, 2008 10:56 AM

hey richard time to don your vestments and alter ego, for sermon? or the fact your double identity was sprung takes away from the fun?

By the way, that one of my fav footy teams belted the other yesterday, in no way lessens my respect for the 2006 Premiers.

Posted by: virgil at March 30, 2008 10:23 AM

met a guy here online, talked for two weeks, and then met (he came down from where he lives to meet me as i was on holiday and he needed a break from work). normallly i wait until i know the guy a little better before we sleep together but this guy was different we seemed to click even before we met, we got on well etc. anyway as there was only one bed, he had to share it with me and we ended up having sex (he respected me enought to wear a condom as i wanted him to, new partner etc) and after that well it just happened between us. we talked about our sexual history before we met. friends sleeping together destroys the friendship (found that out the hardway but keep making that mistake. we then waited six months before we slept together but he left me saying that i wanted more (of course i wanted more and he didn't want a long distance relationship), phone sex doesn't cut and personal photos only do so much. anyway i still want him, miss him, worry about hom and this all happened 18 months ago. his profile has been hidden for about the same amount of time and he occasionally wants to have fun with me even though he's married. so i think that he want the best of both worlds.

Posted by: whitelilly75 at March 30, 2008 10:08 AM

Some say, we should wait....What if we wait and the wait is not worth the wait.

How long should we wait? I think its an individual thing, or if the moment is right.

I am interested in hearing what others think.

Posted by: lookin4love2008 at March 30, 2008 9:42 AM

sunrisesiesta.
Am I single. Am I a player?
I'm a bit of a leg puller.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 30, 2008 9:22 AM

Laughsandtalksandtalksandtalkssomeomoreendlesslyinfact

If you are not single, you should state so on your profile.

You must state on your profile that you are only looking for friends and pen pals, and in my case, travelling companions and activity partners, and other harmless innocuous pursuits (no bedroom antics on the side, which is what the suspicious women think you are banging on about)

It’s The Rules.

And The Rules are set by all the women on here.

I know, Mate, there is a credibility gap involved. The women on here don’t believe that someone so ugly might actually be “Not Single”, but it is a credibility gap we all have to face in life. So get used to it. You may rest assured that there are women on here who are “not single” also but just pretend to be, but The Rules don’t apply to them. They are allowed to get away with anything including, in some cases, side salads and desserts in addition to their main man, but always remember, in the Post Feminist Post Rationalist era we live in, Double Standards apply ONLY to women

Posted by: richardzkruspe at March 30, 2008 6:46 AM

OohLaLa

What makes you think that women over 50 run from me.

I am quite happy with the ones I know in that age group and who fall into the range of friends I have been seeking.

But methinks you might be someone who has been on these blogs before under a different guise, and who used to give me great lectures privately. Are you sure you are not going to suddenly break out into cooking lessons as a born again Iron Chef. Slimey was more fun, especially her grammar and deliberate spelling mistakes.

I have just as much right to express my opinions about women on here as the SugarBabe did- bearing in mind that her physical needs were at all relevant times being met by a long term lover, and she was basically on here to blog away.

I am just annoyed that a 72 year old very ordinary looking male could come out with such crap that 90% of the women he dates he finds sexually unattractive.

Now that IS a timewarp and it is NOT from the Rocky Horror Show either. Maybe some of the current generation of Dr Phil Born Again Relationship Devotees don’t remember the Woodstock 1960s era when NO woman was sexually unattractive.

Are people so consumed with the regurgitated vomit that women come out with on this site, about The One, which the limpwrists adopt as if it is going to get them somewhere with these feminist Nazis (as if), that they actually can digest nonsense that denigrates women like that and let it pass. Get Real 000000 lala

Posted by: richardzkruspe at March 30, 2008 6:26 AM

Lads. There is a book being mentioned here, and read by girls mainly, called How To Catch Him and Keep Him. It is quite subversive to some male interests. Check it out and find out if she has seen it to avoid being outflanked.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 30, 2008 5:28 AM

Justy30
Noted your comment on date rape.
I''ve been asked about safety by non RSVP ing girls a few times, and over the years have heard my fair share of date incident stories.
I always rationalise it that a person with a profile is going to be readily identifiable and stand more chance of being caught, which is the major crime deterrent, so logically less likely to do something. Just a small part of it I know from the female safety point of view.
From the blokes point of view the chances of meeting Poison Ivy are remote. I do know of men who have been chatted up and then attracted by the pink lure only to find their place had been robbed while they were out doing the deed.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 30, 2008 4:38 AM

Oldergent, when you have people like Richardcranium dissing women every time he posts in a most disgusting manner, it is a bit difficult to not take the bait as Jewels did....

Sure you can ignore what he attempts to say, but at times it is hard to.......

Giving people like that the time of day is not worth it in my opinion, maybe he will disappear and become reborn into one of his other guises....though many here will spot the identity change fairly quickly......................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 30, 2008 12:50 AM

Hmm ok Marcus I'll bite. Why does your profile say single then? Are you a player?

Oh and also thanks for appreciating the fact that yes I do indeed like Air Supply. :-)

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 29, 2008 11:39 PM

Hmmm...................last post 6.20..........where is the moderator :( ........oh to go live again !!!!!

Posted by: jenjen57 at March 29, 2008 10:51 PM

Hi everyone, been reading through the varying comments, I always like to work out who the person is eg: trustworthy, makes me laugh, compatibility etc.
There have been far too many date rape reports etc, that we all have to be on guard. Sad yes, but rather a bit of sadness than being injured :D

Posted by: justy30 at March 29, 2008 9:26 PM

BlueEyes @ 6.08pm about mine at 4.15pm: Just teasing you a bit, Teach. Suddenly found myself in a desk in the back row, and remembered what to do.

Enjoy your dance. I'd planned to do that tonight with my social club Dabblers at an RSL 15km away, but my 1991 alternator's died, so she's leg-roped onto the charger night and day, to get me 30km to tennis tomorrow night - and maybe back, if I'm lucky. Life's an adventure.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 29, 2008 8:29 PM

Agreed.
Excellent post, Jewels

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 29, 2008 7:56 PM

Junebebby.
I am a 72 y/o and you have just destroyed my lifes ambition,I have dreamed of meeting a fiesty, proud,younger achieving woman of great means such as you and that mongrel mysandrist of a Richard has gone and spoiled it for us old farts.
LOL
cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 29, 2008 7:34 PM

sunrisesiesta.
OK. Thanks. I see where you are headed.
As it happens I am not single.
Hopefully you will meet an Air Supply fan.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 29, 2008 7:14 PM

Blueeyes 6.08
You "played with the new boy toy in your arsenal"
Raises eyebrows a tad. That is sailing pretty close to the wind.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 29, 2008 6:58 PM

Get out into the real world of TODAY, and experience just how sexy, gorgeous, intelligent and fabulous women of 50 really are!!!

Have a lovely arvo all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 29, 2008 5:26 PM

That could be the problem junebaby. the women are not so blind when they see him and run very fast in the opposite direction.

Richard all your awful comments about older ladies is why the older ladies like the younger men. Or the same age men. You come from the generation before things got hip as do some other men here and it is so obvious from your comments that you have not moved into the new century and give women the respect they deserve.
I look forward greatly to tomorrows sermon. Is it coming from Canberra or the Gold Coast?

After reading everyones comments on sooner or later I am now going for sooner because it could spoil things later if it is not good. Someone asked if you could maintain friendship after it being awful. I think not.
Are others here a bit scared of having intimate relationships again after a long time not? I know I am but others here seem more confident in their skills.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 29, 2008 6:50 PM

woodnwine@4:58 Passion and Quality experience in sex?
I dont disagree with you about those elements as being important, but what if you have those feelings to start off with and just end up with a boring dud anyway.
If there is a strong attaction it is very hard to resist fulfilling them with the excitement of sex, (aka) Passion!
However, passion can fade in time, and for most of us we have had that experience happen to us at some stage in our life. Whether the fading happened because of other issues in our life or due to the expectations of our partner not being what we expected.
OUTCOME, make it or break it.
Which way do we want it to be?
Faded passion with someone who is worth being with or the dud.
Whatever, mistakes arnt made, nor regrets if time is taken to see if the person we sit before is right for us as a companion, not based on attraction.
Passion isnt the reason why old couples are together, its about mateship etc.
I have seen many people work for along time in a relationship based on passion and unfortunately when the passion has faded they begin to loose interest in trying with each other and tend to start growing roaming eyes, missing that old feeling, drawn to the excitement.
This is a sad senario, reason being, is because someone in that relationship thinks they dont love their partner as much anymore.
Problem created because they have mistaken the feeling of passion for their reason to be together.
Anyhow, if they act on it, they will end up going through the same old cycle with someone else.
Love grows from interaction with the one loved, and is kept alive by sharing each ones lifes activities, or just being interested in each ones growth.
Passion is kept alive without too much thought, blurrs the mind and lives on idealism of the partner being someone that suits their own imagination of who they want them to be.
Fact is no one is perfect and another fact is everyone ends up really finding out that the person whom you've been so consumed by is someone different because they never gave themselves the time to see through the mist, due to passion taking over.
Im not saying that people should necessarily wait for months and months or years to get intimate, but I do think people should know if that someone is going to suit them, and the only way to find out, is by waiting.
Whether that be weeks or months it is up to how well you get on and how much they communicate or spend time together, they should know by that time.
Everyone is different!
However, from my own experiences, I had the passion a few times, went with it too quick and ended up with disappointments way too late. Im not the only one here that could tell you that.
Later is safer in so many ways, and if each person is right for each other, believe me, the passion will still be there and even greater because there is love and respect, and trust and comfort of knowing each one took the time to do the right thing by each other.
What a great experience!

Posted by: lonelyheart44 at March 29, 2008 6:48 PM

woodnwine@4:58 Passion and Quality experience in sex?
I dont disagree with you about those elements as being important, but what if you have those feelings to start off with and just end up with a boring dud anyway.
If there is a strong attaction it is very hard to resist fulfilling them with the excitement of sex, (aka) Passion!
However, passion can fade in time, and for most of us we have had that experience happen to us at some stage in our life. Whether the fading happened because of other issues in our life or due to the expectations of our partner not being what we expected.
OUTCOME, make it or break it.
Which way do we want it to be?
Faded passion with someone who is worth being with or the dud.
Whatever, mistakes arnt made, nor regrets if time is taken to see if the person we sit before is right for us as a companion, not based on attraction.
Passion isnt the reason why old couples are together, its about mateship etc.
I have seen many people work for along time in a relationship based on passion and unfortunately when the passion has faded they begin to loose interest in trying with each other and tend to start growing roaming eyes, missing that old feeling, drawn to the excitement.
This is a sad senario, reason being, is because someone in that relationship thinks they dont love their partner as much anymore.
Problem created because they have mistaken the feeling of passion for their reason to be together.
Anyhow, if they act on it, they will end up going through the same old cycle with someone else.
Love grows from interaction with the one loved, and is kept alive by sharing each ones lifes activities, or just being interested in each ones growth.
Passion is kept alive without too much thought, blurrs the mind and lives on idealism of the partner being someone that suits their own imagination of who they want them to be.
Fact is no one is perfect and another fact is everyone ends up really finding out that the person whom you've been so consumed by is someone different because they never gave themselves the time to see through the mist, due to passion taking over.
Im not saying that people should necessarily wait for months and months or years to get intimate, but I do think people should know if that someone is going to suit them, and the only way to find out, is by waiting.
Whether that be weeks or months it is up to how well you get on and how much they communicate or spend time together, they should know by that time.
Everyone is different!
However, from my own experiences, I had the passion a few times, went with it too quick and ended up with disappointments way too late. Im not the only one here that could tell you that.
Later is safer in so many ways, and if each person is right for each other, believe me, the passion will still be there and even greater because there is love and respect, and trust and comfort of knowing each one took the time to do the right thing by each other.
What a great experience!

Posted by: lonelyheart44 at March 29, 2008 6:37 PM

Jewels @ 5.43....Beautifully said.. "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 29, 2008 6:20 PM

Timewarp, probably have put wrong label on. By the time I scroll backwards and forwards between the posts and answer both you gentlemen. not to mention check in at the other blog, a gal as old as me could get a simple thing mixed up. But then again I have been very busy today. Housework inside and out,washing and ironing,lawns and edges done, groceries, and played with new boy toy in my arsenal (for the garden) and prepared dinner for s friends and get ready to dance tonight, its a wonder I can even organise my thoughts. Will look more carefully tomorrow as have to go back to the kitchen where no doubt some not new age men believe we should be.
Have fun.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 29, 2008 6:08 PM

Marcus what I was referring to was your ego, I thought I stated that rather obviously in my original post below. I have my reasons for having my photo hidden. If I wanted you to see it I would send you a kiss with my photo password. No thanks. You can keep your opinionated rants to yourself. If you had read all the posts I had put on here recently you would see that I have chosen to be single and only started looking for a partner a few months ago. My choice mate.

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 29, 2008 6:01 PM

amdoingit - you are right, we are not being fussy, we are being careful as I for one, have experienced married men who lied, guys just wanting sex, one night stand type thing....and we, as in me and other female bloggers want, a genuine man who is over his past, as in, has his life organised in respect to the ex and his children...there is nothing worse than men who put out that they want a relationship, but they have not tied up thier previous loose ends.

If you have not closed the last phase in your life, you are not ready for any new adventures.
Nobody wants to be put in to the middle of domestics, I don't do it to men I meet and I expect the same in return!!

Have a lovely day all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 29, 2008 5:43 PM

""Surely the only lesson to be learned is:

1. women over 50 are desperate;
2. women over 50 are dateless;
3. women over 50 have no taste;
4. women over 50 will go out with anything at all;
5. women over 50 have poor eyesight.

So notwithstanding all the self serving protestations by older women on this site, like OohLaLa et al, it just goes to show that older women should confine themselves to crocheting and church social guilds and charitable good works, rather than submit themselves to being humiliated. Where has their personal dignity gone?Posted by: richardzkruspe at March 29, 2008 10:20 AM ""

Well Richard, you obviously don't know any 50 year old women!!! I for one would not go out with a 72 year old, as that is almost the same age as my Dad and my mum is actually younger than that!
I, and the other girls I hang around with do not crochet!!! In fact I don't sew or knit either as I have a full time career in the telco/IT field.....busy competing in a male dominated field and doing very well!! Don't have time for sewng and knitting or charitable good works, and the people that do, good on them to have the time to. And what is a church social guild??? My mum doesn't even do this stuff, she is too busy travelling and doing other stuff with my dad!

I am a bit pissed about the sexest drivel you wrote. Get out into the real world of TODAY, and experience just how sexy, gorgeous, intelligent and fabulous women of 50 really are!!!

Have a lovely arvo all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 29, 2008 5:26 PM

sunrizesiesta March 29 3:50PM
You wrote that you find it very easy to believe that I am single, but did not give your reason. So why?

You might want to reveal your photo so I can see if it has anything to do with why you are still single. ;-}
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 29, 2008 5:12 PM

lonelyheart - I hear your sentiments loud and clear but what if you date someone for months and months before becoming intimate and when you do it just doesn't work. Do you then stay friends?

And believe me sometimes it just doesn't work .... not unless you are prepared to settle for very ordinary. When two people really connect there is a quality and passion about the sex that once experienced is what you always hope for. Two people that can connect like that in bed should be able to achieve great things together in life.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 29, 2008 4:58 PM

Don’t forget everyone – Earth Hour tonight. Turn everything off (including computer!) 8 to 9pm! http://earth-hour.blogspot.com.

Posted by: riversong1 at March 29, 2008 4:51 PM

Riversong @ 12.43pm yesterday: (still trying catch up) One picture tells a thousand words. That concept is a true true classic. (= 2 truths, or too true)

But yours 2 minutes later: So what? The wedding photos for the 'paper are selected to be UNrepresentative. Gotta fit the image that will maximise the paper's possible revenue, both from selling copies and from advertising :

* Promote good looks, spread across the specified economic and racial parameters of the advertisers' target markets. No plain Janes, or scrawny sheilas that don't need low-fat or lipo.

* Sex after 40 is dirty, so no uncosmetic wrinkies, thank you very much.

* And especially none of those nasty creepy July-December couplings (his money buying a trophy wife)

Marcus @ 2.30am 28th: Nice shoo-off try mate, but it won't cut the must-heard. (Later - And it didn't.)

FemalePers @ 2.29pm Friday: Nice to see you back, and good stuff too.

AbcKenny @ 3.09pm Friday: Always glad to see your name, because I know you'll be right on the ball. And you were. BTW, any news yet of your many-some with the hinter, somewhere near Twintowns?

Siesta time. Seeyez.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 29, 2008 4:48 PM

"G",
I must admit that even today I heard one Lothario tell of his conquest on a local social group, of the 20 or so and one lady there, there was much skeptisism, rapidly turning into laughter when the lady said "Strange I was out with her last night and you definately did not come into my house and spend the night".

I did have the experience between my first wife and meeting my second of going on a dinner meeting with a Lady and she actually said, "at some time tonight sex is going to raise its ugly head so I will tell you now the answer is No" She paid for her dinner I paid for mine, we had a wonderfull time got to have drinks with the staff after closing and never seen each other again. But hell it was the quickest I have found for some one to gain your attention and respect.

Someone in a past post told of a man taking his divorce papers for a coffee meet, I thought hmmm at the time, maybe he was not so silly.

G, can't imagine men being that fussy or stupid either, unless its a generational thing. Age I am finding is a cruel thing.
As always
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 29, 2008 4:48 PM

amdoingit - re how many dinners - aw, gee, he was probably just trying to figure out which was they cheaper way!

Posted by: riversong1 at March 29, 2008 4:30 PM

OG.. re the waiting game.. Yep, that's what I call it... Used to wait patiently for responses but soon came to realise that there are loads of serial kissers out there. Methinks perhaps they (both M & F of course) are trying to make it to the top 100 or something.. Who knows..
Know where you're coming from when you say you feel deceitful emailing more than one at a time. I'm not comfortable with it either but it does seem to be the norm..
Actually had a funny incident only recently where both myself and a friend who is also on the site found out we were both emailing the same person. Rather funny when we compared emails. Word for word bar the introductory paragraph. Lost it's personal touch for me I'm afraid.Had thought of both turning up on the same coffee meet but I couldn't do it. Just bowed out yet he thought it was ok..
You know, I guess it comes down to each individual. Until you actually meet there's nothing to say you will even like each other so in reality no harm in emailing more than one. Just do what you feel is right..
As for the time frame to wait.. If the emails don't flow on regularly and nicely then I take it that the person isn't too keen. That being the case move on to the next and take it as it comes. Your gut is usually your best indicator..
Good luck.. "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 29, 2008 4:28 PM

BlueEyes you have got me really wondering. Some background to my problem:

Oldergent (Robert) aged 72 is a retiree FROM the Hunter. He is short of stature but long of wind. On top of his head is the solar panel for his pistol-shooting aim-computer.

His name was oldcodger72, till I suggested to him off-blog that his current one would be better marketing. OG for short.

I am Bill THE hunter FROM Brisbane, also 72, but still with lots of hair on top of my head which is just starting to go from brown to grey this year. And my personal sport is tennis not gunnery, so I need a lot of wind too, to play up to 36 games in an evening - usually only 3 x 8. I'm called Timewarp, or by Marcus, The Warped One, for long.

But you seem to be confusing us - one to Robert at 1.01pm calling him OG. But one to me @ 9.30am, calling me oG.

I need to ask: is this your personal pet name for me, perhaps acknowledging that I am the less old for a 72-year-old (hence the smaller 'o')?

Or did you mean 'Og the Neanderthal', teach, and just hit the Capitals key on the wrong letter?

Or is Officer Krupke correct when he says that women over 50 have trouble with vision? And I know he means refraction, not your vision for the future, because why shouldn't that involve someone nice like me?

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 29, 2008 4:15 PM

In reply to amdoingit - agree wholeheartedly. That's why I have "honesty really is the best policy" in my profile. Not after deceit, just after honesty... is that too much to ask?

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 29, 2008 4:09 PM

OG Maybe its not a matter of how plainly we express ourselves but that rather many of us are just too picky in the initial choice and are not prepared to go beyond the outer layer showing. I don't have a problem emailing and talking to more than one at a time. I don't think it is deceitful. What if you spent a stamp at much the same time as someone invested in you, Are you then going to ignore one because one is enough to talk to? I have had quite a few email me without checking out first my response and I am still happy to talk to them. Many may not be my cup of tea but we can still exchange worthwhile conversation, maybe even network a little and some have even taken up dancing and enjoying it from my suggestions.But if you spend a stamp and email a person, and that person does not reply within a few days even though they have checked into the site, then i would assume there is no interest on their part. But I would also think they are quite rude if they don't have at least the decency to reply. It's amazing how some people just disappear and don't have the maturity to at least email and say they have changed their mind.Last year I had a lovely man in my life whom contacted me on this site. His profile and photo were not necessarily jumping at me, but after meeting a few times one couldn't help but realise he was a great person.The more people you talk to then the better understanding you gain of the opposite sex and yoursself.
As to the lurker, he doesn't bait me, I just like to stir the pot back a little.
And yes I am always smiling. Life's too short to be miserable.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 29, 2008 4:06 PM

Robert @ 3.06pm... No, not all ladies are fussy.. But it's been said before and I reinforce it.. there are loads of players and married men out there. Had 1 earlier this year who was supposed to be separated (not), found out after a few weeks thank goodness. He could see nothing wrong with it as he'd had no sex with his wife for over 12 months so that justified it to himself. I've no intention of ever being anybody's F Buddy thank you.
Had another chap who wanted to know how many dinners we'd have to go on before I put out.. Choice or what. Needless to say that was the one and only dinner date we went on. And I paid my own..
Not a case of being fussy Robert, just a case of finding someone genuine..
Now, don't all you guys who are decent pounce on me either. I'm not male bashing, just telling of some of my encounters that's all..And I do know there are women who are not genuine too so it does work both ways..
Cheers..."G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 29, 2008 3:52 PM

There's been some very interesting advice on here in regards to this topic.

In reply to lonelyheart44 - I tend to agree, I am a firm believer that you need to have a solid foundation before you sleep with someone. I certainly don't believe in flings. Therefore, whilst I can appreciate that some women may want to "try before they buy" so to speak... things change rapidly after you sleep together. Emotions especially for women seem to get in the way at times - speaking from a women's point of view.

Therefore, whilst there should be no "standard" rule as to when people should start having sex, I think it's best to get to know a person first, develop a relationship, learn to trust each other etc. etc... These comments are in addition to the ones I placed on here yesterday...

Marcus - you certainly seem like an interesting fellow, your ego is incredible, and I actually find it very easy to believe that you are still single. Not a personal attack - just my two cents.

Virgil seems like a very nice and humorous character.

OG I think it's fantastic that you are trying to find someone, and wish you all the best in your search. I sincerely hope you can find the lady you deserve.

Ok let's see what everyone else is saying... Ciao for now...

Deborah

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 29, 2008 3:50 PM

Blueeyes,
by this you should know that the lurking snipers do not have the intestinal fortitude to show their face, that is why I ignore them and will not respond to their barbs.

Back to your point of women asking or taking the lead in dating affairs. I have got some kisses and have not responded as I had answered 2 at once and got involved in a situation I did not want to be in, of what I percieved as deceitfull. But could you tell me how long should one wait after responding to a kiss and spending a stamp before moving on to the next kiss? I have made contact with men and women and have spent a stamp to contact people off line. For the first time I have recieved an email from a person to sort out our differences, this will be replied to this afternoon. This is a further education, I have lived through the generation changes and just have started to realise that I have not an in depth understanding of them.

I have said it before but what is wrong with the 40 to 65 age group in RSVP, how much plainer can people express themselve and still not find the partner they seek. I do not get to see many mens profiles only the bloggers and those that peep my RSViP profile, but going on those few, goodness surely the Ladies cannot be that fussy that they do not think there are some worthy candidates there. Then again their ESP may be better than mine as to potential partners, maybe they should take your advice and bite the bullet and email their choice. It will be interesting to see what Karina comes up with on the new kiss system,(hopefully with a different word). Blueeyes (lovely smile) thanks for seeing behind the facarde.
Robert

Posted by: oldergent at March 29, 2008 3:06 PM

Sex Sooner than Later?
Make sure each person is worth it shouldnt be based on sampling the jewels in the bedroom too soon.
Worth it should be about seeing if each person has the same intentions for a relationship for each other.
The only way anyone can find out if that is possible is by getting to know each other for a while on an intellectual level.
Sex too soon just screws up judgement and dosnt allow room for a full comprehension of each ones motives or whether each would please each other after the sex act happens too soon.
Girls! Read the book called Catch Him and Keep Him.
This book really does tell us girls some secrets about men, stuff they dont want us girls to know about not having sex too soon.
It wouldnt make too many of the players happy to know we read this stuff and for us to act on it.
Actually I was really annoyed by it when I read it, it made me feel like giving up on the dating stuff. I just felt that everything has to revolve around men to win them over, but if you look at the flip side of it, it really does give us girls a chance to look at things in a different way and take control for a change, and for us girls to rule for a change.
This is not an attack or poke at the decent guys who know how to treat a lady, or the guys with all good intentions, but rather a protection from the guys that are so undecided of what they are looking for and against all the guys who are just out for self gratifacation.
There are two words that are important here.
Number One is Respect ourselves and be respected, and number Two is Protect ourselves from the undesirable.
These two words apply to the guys as well.

Posted by: lonelyheart44 at March 29, 2008 3:01 PM

I felt very sad and disappointed with a few comments posted on here about using sex as a means test to see if a person is worth being with before plunging into a relationship.
Sex isnt everything!
Do you see an old loving couple of a 50 year relationship complaining that it isnt like the old days in their sex life?
No!
It is about the type of relationship they have built, and that relationship has been based on their compatability, their dreams, their respect for each other, their love, and what they built together, family, a home, security through good and bad times.
It wasnt based on whether they were a good root or had a big penis or they were active romping around in the bedroom.
Gosh, if we are suppose to use sex from day one as a monitor for a long lived relationship, we better get plenty of viagra, steriods, big workouts at the gym, and lots of sleep to keep it going in our older age.
If we are meant to be so concerned about the sex sooner to see if he has a big penis, then we are just putting the penis and the male species above all other issues, and putting ourselves in a position that men rule on every aspect of making a relationship worth it.
Us women end up making ourselves victims of men putting emphasis on attraction and activity rather than a relationships productivity.
Hey not all men are sex mad and not all women are, but some are just putting too much emphasis on it being an important starting point to a relationship.
Why not just leave the sex thing till later, love makes sex more enjoyable especially for women, even if he has a small penis, it dosnt matter. Its the closeness and interaction of sharing love that makes it more enjoyable.
Additionally, a women that feels needed for more than sex enjoys the many more encounters with her partner in the bedroom, rather than starting off something too quick with a guy with sex too just be told he only want a bed buddy because that makes him feel better.
Who get hurt the most when its not what each one wants?
Leave the SEX till later, make sure each one is worth it, because TOO SOON could end up being too hurtful if it dosnt work out.

Posted by: lonelyheart44 at March 29, 2008 2:37 PM

So that's what some women call us ... a D&D. Nice.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 11:59 AM

Not what I would call you. You'd be a 'NC' -
Nice Catch xx

Posted by: enrepres at March 29, 2008 2:01 PM

Methinks Richardk that you are only here to poop-stir.Put your face where you mouth is. There is a saying that 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
OG much prefer a man who has manners to one who hasn't.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 29, 2008 1:01 PM

Wonderful input ideas sex should be sooner or later...

Sex is great as long as, does not exceed to the limits in pursuits one after another sex exploitation. Usually men are more aggressively in sex desire. While women using as tools to build strong emotionally connection. There's a Playfulness and Innocence to it.

Sex is a part of our lives, we look in certain ways or be a certain shape they want to see someone who's confident embracing their sexuality. Men really aren't scrutinising us; in private, I've learnt, a man is just that you're there and you're going to be naked for him. There is No universal rules of what sex time when? mindset are> but find your own way and put your image out there - people who respond to it, will responding to your terms.

Sex is a magical powers, the secret to bring your sexiest-self looks, that urge physical attraction can demand emotional desire ..or Also, can performed sex animals fantasies.

Sex is like an Art Stage Play, influence to embraces glamour eye-naked clothes-off, an art of display a provocation to admired sexual urges. To explore body temperature, mindset of wild dreams fantasies and a heart pounding emotional moving slow motion where it takes two people realized and willing to accept erotic at play bur, No guarantee in reality aspiring personal aspects.

Sex is like Preliminary exam, the measurement of one's inners capabilities, can bring intimate closeness, openness unto self-contained desire. The sudden changes of freedom, sex can illuminate those insecurities and low self-esteems, where who people can joined legitimate inspiration in all purposes natural beauty of amazing sex grace.

Sex is also a foul at play, drowning self-morality into unknown, self contempt in pursuit of sexual activities advantages of someone hope and innocent, whistled reputation have had been believed continuous relationship. But the facts, they are like Volcano about to erupt, and the moment later, after have done, it's like a lost causes as "One Time Sizzling Satisfaction".

Posted by: aliane at March 29, 2008 1:00 PM

Hi Jolly Roger/Richard

Did you enjoy the game last night? A very exciting game, havent seen mud on an AFL oval like that for a while, looking forward to your sermon tomorrow, do you have some hymns selected as well?

I suggest Glory Glory Subiaco (to the tune of battle hymn of the republic)

Maybe Pride of South Australia
and We're the Eagles

maybe with your dislike of women, you might choose
Hymn
Hymn
and
Hymn

Posted by: virgil at March 29, 2008 11:42 AM

If a 72 year old very ordinary chauvinistic male gets kissed by 30 women over 50 who want to go on a date with him,
Surely the only lesson to be learned is:

1. women over 50 are desperate;
2. women over 50 are dateless;
3. women over 50 have no taste;
4. women over 50 will go out with anything at all;
5. women over 50 have poor eyesight.

So notwithstanding all the self serving protestations by older women on this site, like OohLaLa et al, it just goes to show that older women should confine themselves to crocheting and church social guilds and charitable good works, rather than submit themselves to being humiliated. Where has their personal dignity gone?

Posted by: richardzkruspe at March 29, 2008 10:20 AM

Timewarp:

“…so the 30-odd Australian women who've sent me want-a-date kisses…the problem for me is that 3/4 of the women … I find them sexually repulsive to some degree.”
Might their only problem be, not that they are either too skinny or too tall, but they are in serious need of an optometrist.

Posted by: richardzkruspe at March 29, 2008 9:33 AM

Og, points all taken on board.I would like to think that a fellow is just as flattered by being asked out just as much as a woman is.And as long as either party are mature enough to not be offended if refused when they make the sexual advance,then I don't see a problem and the friendship should still be able to continue.Your reply was worth waiting for.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 29, 2008 9:30 AM

Good Morning Wishfull,
You are regarded by me as an open, honest, intelligent person, as such I will always endeavour to respond in a similar manner. But just below your post to me is a lurker (sex unknown) sniping from behind a hidden profile, these people may have legitimate reasons but then should they not stay off blog.

"Our" touche, point taken, not everyones cup of tea is the lad. You in a blue fit would be a sight to see. OK, your battles are yours. As to directing traffic, before I came on the blogs I did take the time (which I suppose a lot of people do not) spent a lot of time going through the previous blogs, as I still do. The pot calling the kettle black methinks, your not bad with the lollypop stick yourself.
As to Boyd, the marriage post, was my final say on him, apart from what I have previously said I stand by, and yes we have different perceptions of others and that is what the gender thing is about. I am opiniated, are you honest enough to say you are too. Bill's sandpit seems to know no bounds as far as I know, unless some people wish to limit the amount of players in it to suit themselves
Wishfull, respectfully.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 29, 2008 8:40 AM

Sooner or later or not at all,depends on individual circumstances. What surprises me is the number of women who dont ask or demand you use protection. How can you trust someone without such basic intelligence?

Posted by: sincrolad at March 28, 2008 11:24 PM

Interesting comment as I have had many a discussion with male friends on this topic and many I spoke to seem to think that because they had been in long monogomous marriages and never had to use protection then they don't want to start now. They seem to think that our age group (50's) is not likely to catch diseases as we don't sleep with drug users and bi sexual people. They don't need protection against unwanted pregnancies as most have had vasectomies.Certainly makes for interesting chats over a cuppa.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 29, 2008 7:57 AM

GHDay2 @10.29pm Thurs: Not really policing your speling - just using it as an excuse to give Marcus a little stir.

BlueEyes @ 5.17pm Thurs said:

"Do you men get put off if a woman makes the advance , either in asking for a date or even sex?"

Sorry for my slow reply. Couldn't get back to this blog between earlyish end of moderation on Thurs night and coming home in cabin of tow-truck, well after midnight on Fri. night. (Life's an adventure.)

I'm 72 behaving like 62, so the 30-odd Australian women who've sent me want-a-date kisses have been aged 51 and up.

If a woman of such mature age asks me for a date, I am delighted for 2 reasons:

* She likes the look of my warts-and-all RSVP profile, so she's gotta have an excellent taste in men, hasn't she?

* She's overcome her youthful conditioning that demanded that she wait co-dependantly till the feller asks her, so I am impressed with her pro-active modern feminism. She's as modern as I am, and I'm looking for my match.

But if she later propositions me before I proposition her, the answer's not always the same.

I was very lucky to realise at 17 that girls are people too, meaning that gender is irrelevant until you reach the bedroom door. A girl can be your mate, or your mate (your friend or your lover.)

If I fancy her, but she happens to point to the bed first, I agree with the other men who've replied already - it is all good.

The problem for me is that 3/4 of the women I'm fond of are people I want only for friends.

I admire them as excellent humans and I enjoy spending time with them. But I find them sexually repulsive to some degree.

Maybe because they're over 6 foot tall and I'm heightist. Or so skinny that if I hug them, I can't help shivering with the horrors about famine and starvation.

When one of these friends propositions me (3 of them in the last 10 years) and I say regretfully 'No Thanks', they are insulted. and Hell hath no Fury ... So I lose a good friend.

Lookit the time! Night all.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 29, 2008 4:44 AM

OG...since you are not going to use the royal "we" perhaps you shouldn't use the collective "our" when referring to Marcus and his comments. He isn't "ours" and I wouldn't lay claim to him in a blue fit.

As for your lengthy diatribe...please dont bother defending me, I'm a big girl and can take care of myself. You seem to have taken it upon yourself to direct traffic in these blogs, and good for you I guess.

As for Himagain sounding and looking too good to be true - who has come up with that little gem? He is a decent looking man but wouldn't say looks too good to be true (I'm not sure you can even LOOK like that). He writes well (even if he claims he is not articulate like others here - not sure WHO he is referring to), but that doesn't make him too good to be true. He is simply a well spoken, non-alpha male and that doesn't make him too good to be true either....odd how people are pigeon-holed due to what others perceive as differences.

You are right OG...everyone is entitled to their own opinions, thankfully, or it'd surely be a boring place. However, some have so many opinions that they become domineering - the sandpit gets a little crowded and they start flinging it to clear a little more space....

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 29, 2008 2:01 AM

Posted by: oldergent at March 28, 2008 4:19 PM:

>"insufferable females,"

and,

>"we few [Og referring to himself and others] we glorious few that dont try to con them need all the help we can get."

Sounds like someone is batt(l)ing from behind the wickets with those words.

Or, forgetting which way they're batting.

Forgetting being another point, as just a few posts later...

oldergent at March 28, 2008 8:16 PM:

>"nor do I ever use the Royal "we" to express "my" opinions."

Posted by: justsaying at March 28, 2008 11:54 PM

mystiemuse at March 28, 2008 12:01 PM.
Rest easy mystiemuse, I was just using your previous comment to segue the joke on topic.

The point was knowing a person as much as possible, before actually making a commitment (sex or otherwise) or marrying them.

Would have thought the last line was also, quite pointedly, bursting the balloon of males with self-inflated egos.

But, your last sentence leads me to ask you a question in return. Do you feel I am one of those,
> "people on here can be rather personally insulting at times without provocation, just because they feel we all need to know our short comings"?

Let me state clearly: I was previously unaware of any shortcomings you feel you may have.

Posted by: justsaying at March 28, 2008 11:36 PM

I think you are doing very well Boyd, Whist I share most of your beliefs, not all, particularly, not taking the initative in lovemaking.

I feel you are very articulate, and that you have stood up to Marcus very well. It is very good to watch lively debate.

Some may be just watching you, as a new person to make up their minds.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 11:35 PM

Ynotalice... welcome from me as well... Nice to see you have an opinion and are prepared to voice it.. Could make for some interesting comments methinks... Enjoy...
Now I'm going to see if all the activity is on the new blog...
Cheers all....."G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 11:30 PM

W'n'W..you should know I don't bite. Hell, I rarely even bark. Then again when I do it's a gooden... Hmm...."G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 11:27 PM

Sooner or later or not at all,depends on individual circumstances. What surprises me is the number of women who dont ask or demand you use protection. How can you trust someone without such basic intelligence?
I like the bedroom to be a place of enjoyment and fun, not a game of russian roulette.

Posted by: sincrolad at March 28, 2008 11:24 PM

hmm can good sex be taught..... I think so. Whilst the buttons might all be in the same area, people like them pushed in different ways.

Posted by: jodes75 at March 28, 2008 11:16 PM

Welcome, ynotalice, see that was not too hard, I am not commenting any more on this blog about certain personalities, I think I have squared that off in the marriage blog that has just started. But as to my old sparing partner, he is the only allowable Alpha on site. I hope to see your participation in future blogs as it is not a lot men that participate, Do I detect a a forces background?
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 28, 2008 10:37 PM

Willow

Thanks for your comments.

I don't become hurt about the attacks; just sad and frustrated. Sad for those who feel the need to attack and frustrated because, on here, I can't look them in the eye and have a reasonable conversation; and because of all the assumptions. IE: The comment from whynotalice. Because I'm somewhat different, as a result of a 2 year personal journey I found myself on, I sound "too perfect". This is not the first time people have considered that I'm perfect. This is not a brag, in any way, it's a fact. These people are wrong; no one is perfect and I consider myself far from perfect. This label is something I detest and something I could never live up to. In a way, I guess it's a compliment; however, it's not correct.

I think these attacks may something to do with one of my earlier posts. Sheep following the popular opinion. Or, maybe, the blokey, blokes seeking solidarity. I really don't know.

Assumptions also cut the bone. I once ended a relationship as she was making too many assumptions; that was the only reason for ending it.

I don't articulate nearly as well as most and I don't believe I should be required to prove who I am of defend my beliefs.

Those who choose to hang of every word, and make assumptions based on the fact that I may not have expressed myself as articulately as they do, or made an error in the structure of a sentence, really aren't here in the true spirit of the blog.

I will make grammatical, and many other, word structuring errors. So what. Most are able to see past that and pick up on the general gist of what I'm saying, as we all do in general conversation, yet some simply choose to search for evidence and ammunition. I feel sorry for these people.

I'm myself; the best person I can be.

These attacks bounce right off.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 28, 2008 10:34 PM

Hi y'all, yes I have been putting a few faces to personalities as there are a few distinct ones out there. Sorry boys I wouldn't really consider myself alpha material as I identify with some of himagains traits but think he sounds a bit too "perfect" to be true. On subject - it would have to be right when you both agree wouldn't it? T

Posted by: ynotalice at March 28, 2008 9:37 PM

L&T 12:37PM Marcus, you misfire about me often but you got this one spot on "I'm sure if Willow wants to be sucked off by a total stranger it wont be in full view of everybody in the RSVP sand pit."

Not the wording I would use but the message is quite correct. My private affairs stay private unless they are subject to great poetic license in a willow story.

Must say I'm not clear what himagain did to deserve being in the firing line for what he said to me but I do regret it has put him so. Really sometimes people are just being kind when they perceive a need, rightly or wrongly.

Thanks heavens we have a world where this is possible, I hope himagain can dust himself off as I have had to.

Posted by: willow1059 at March 28, 2008 9:30 PM

its interesting that jolly had to take his profile down in order to change states, and recreate richard whatever to tell us about his time with the coach.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 8:45 PM

This is a popular subject! From my perspective as a 40+ newly single female. I hadn't dated since I was 25 so being back on the market was like being a magpie in a mirror ball factory especially after a sexless marriage - so many men so little time. I am not proud to say at times there I was pretty shallow. Down the track I have sorted and dumped my baggage, got my head in order, and looking forward to sharing new found skills with the right man. Blue pills? Never been needed - just the right lead up, mutual respect and no pressure to 'perform'. E

Posted by: firelightlady at March 28, 2008 8:29 PM

Wishfull.
Ok your answers, first point, OG swings between which side he is batting for/ defending what I think is right, impartiality of gender, what I think is right and fair. Even our Marcus did not consider me Alpha material, plus that have I ever seemed to care or resented when the others have attacked me? I am prepared to stand the opinion of the bloggers and expect no one to spring to my aid. Wishfull, nor do I ever use the Royal "we" to express "my" opinions. Do I think he is real. by his own admission he is from Pluto, (another Freudian slip), he might be real, ask me whether I think he is fair dinkum? Too good to be true. Ever since I have been on this site all I have heard from the Ladies is " if it sounds and looks to be too good to be true it probably is" Wishfull it is your right to read and believe what you wish and at some time I might have to defend you in that right as I would unless you told me not to, once again your right. But after reading his posts from start several times? I have made a post in the Marriage topic that should put this matter to rest, hopefully.

Wishfull I have read your considered posts lately and in the archives and agreed and disagreed as the case may be. I am sorry that I do not appear to be a genuinely decent guy in your eyes,because I challenge some one you admire, but so be it. If that is your criteria of decency.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 28, 2008 8:16 PM

No Dodgy one.....they are "legends in their own lunch BOX" their lunch hour is far too long.

Hey Himagain, sorry to see the big "boys" won't play nicely in the sandpit. OG swings between which side he is batting for, Marcus is full of it and Dodgy, well he can't decide WHO he is or what tag he'll blog under - it changes regularly depending on the venom.

I can't see why you so called Alpha men can't back off a bit - whenever someone of your gender comes in and blogs, and isn't slamming women, or thinking we are all after your money and/or sex, you alpha types just can't take it....what is it? Attention falling from you (negative attention at best). Grow up you lot....OG why, because we like to read Himagain's posts, do you think he is not for real, too good to be true etc.? Maybe, he, like Willow, are just genuinely decent guys...now there's a thought!!!

It all gets a bit irritating, it'd be nice if everyone could simply play nicely in the sandpit...but then again, I'm forever the wishful thinker (not dreamer!).

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 28, 2008 7:34 PM

Amdoingit. Today 3:37 pm
Men usually organise themselves heirarchicaly, vertically. Women with their information sharing and cooperative collaboration prefer a horizontal arrangement.
Reasonably obvious here. When there is a catty spat there is more fuss trying smooth things over than in the actual incident.
Art imitates life.
Oohlala dont be too sure with doggy rogerer it is his picture. He was posting knocked off shots earlier this year.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 6:59 PM

amdoingit ... and here was me thinking your bight was worse than your bark ....

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 6:26 PM

Good sex can be taught ... I'm not saying this as my thoughts but commenting on what I've read here today. Well, yes it can up to a point but that's assuming that one partner is good and the other is willing to learn. Are they big assumptions? And does everyone want to have to do this at our age? OK, things can and will improve as a couple gets to know each other and learns what the other likes and prefers but some basic knowledge is probably exected otherwise why would you want to go further?

BTW, I mean this in a nice way ...

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 6:23 PM

ynotalice, are you checking all of us bloggers out before you have a say????. Like OG said..Just dive in.. and head first too... We don't bite..honest..Nibble a little here and there but don't bite... "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 5:56 PM

Blueeyes I looked again at his profile this morning after he said mine was hidden. He has four or five secondary pictures that look like he is a very handsome actor. My compliments must have made him feel shy and so he has hidden it now.
Or he may now be getting too much attention and it deters him from preparing his sermon at half-time tonight after escorting God to his rooms and shouting a round for the ladies with the black and white faces.
I think the friendship would soon be over once you started making the suggestions for improvements too. There must be a way to do this subtly so no one is hurt. Maybe watch a movie together. I dont know but is good topic. Sooner or later and how to be better and better. keep everyone happy.
Marcus is licking the face of the lover some sort of new ritual we should be knowing about?

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 28, 2008 5:34 PM

Dodgyrodgy's profile now blocked. I guess he isn't sending me his photo.Ohlala-how do you know he is handsome?

Karina, there is another dating site (won't mention the name here in case I'm not allowed) but they have a variety of respones that are different. Eg. Thanks but you live too far away or the age gap is too large etc. Sometimes I would like to add a reason with my 'no thanks' reply that is not covered by this sites choices.
Thanks Kenny for replying- a shame you don't live closer.
Groundhog- I also think that you can teach an old dog new tricks but personally would find it a little embarassing to tell a guy (at this age) how to improve especially if you have only been on a few dates. Maybe this is something better left to a relationship where you have a strong friendship as a basis.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 28, 2008 4:49 PM

I'm starting to think I'm just too old fashioned. I believe in monogamy and truth. Very few woman around my age seem to believe or are looking for the same. Most seem to find that overly boring or to nice and run for the hills, lol.
If I believe a person is as interested in me as I am in them and the trust is there then when sex occurs is not an issue for me.
I get tested at the end of every relationship I've had both for myself and any future partners piece of mind. I haven't yet been asked to provide a certificate though.

Personally, promiscuity and lying are the worst qualities I can think of, regardless of wether male or female.

Posted by: chrome79 at March 28, 2008 4:21 PM

Hi ynotalice,
noticed the peep, as you have seen us poor bloody long suffering males are badly out numbered (and male is the quantifying word) by some beautiful, intelligent, new age and at time insufferable females, we few we glorious few that dont try to con them need all the help we can get. No need to stick you toe in the water we've been there and done that, just dive in. lol
(where are you Raven too)
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 28, 2008 4:19 PM

OG

I'm interested in contributing to the blog by expressing my opinions.

I have no interest in the pathetic, childish games you fools choose to play.

IE: After your capitulation to Marcus it is now Game Set and Match. Marcus will be happy with that, one of his quickest get under the skin victories.

Pathetic.

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 28, 2008 4:12 PM

Richard

I will be looking out for you on the tv tonight.

Strange you call Mick God?

He gave us 2 premierships, so far has given Collingwodd very little.

Not only the 2 premierships, but has left a huge and enduring stamp of success on our club, some might say he under achieved, but I think that is being greedy.

He will always be welcome at Subi. (especially after he retires).

Eagle

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 4:11 PM

Boys- still no answers to my 5.17pm blog. Maybe you don't like a girl who asks upfront?

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 27, 2008 11:08 PM

hi blueeyes, yes I like a girl who asks up front, it certainly takes the guesswork out of the equation.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 4:05 PM

FP - nice to see you back enjoying an interesting topic.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 3:58 PM

OG - I think the point is that everyone has their opinions and that's what they are ... opinions. If people are inconsistent then maybe they are, they are just saying what they think, not writing an essay and expecting to be marked out of 10. Just a thought.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 3:51 PM

Having a quick look in during a work break. Getting a bit fired up are some of our men..Interesting to sit back and observe.. So different from the femmes!!!!

W'n'W.@ 11.06am... How sweet are you??? Thank you so much for your thumbs up.. Don't know that it'll make much difference to this lot down here though... Maybe I should heed the suggestion that OG made yesterday and migrate further north!!!!
Oh, and as much as I've said it many times before I will for the record repeat... To all you Brissie ladies W'n'W is one hell of a guy too.. If I lived closer I'd take him on but..!!!!! Go on ladies, what are you waiting for.. Send a goddamn kiss,,,.Good luck sweet lips..... "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 3:37 PM

Age difference .... some people seem to get stuck on it. Personally I look for common interests, attitudes, fitness levels, activities, music tastes ... if that person is older, younger, same age ... I don't really care. I accept ageing and that people look older (as do I) but I don't accept it when people let themselves go then want to meet someone younger.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 3:10 PM

Boys- still no answers to my 5.17pm blog. Maybe you don't like a girl who asks upfront?

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 27, 2008 11:08 PM
I have no problems with girls being upfront in fact I actually prefer it.I already know in my mind whether I am interested or not so if the girl makes the first move it means that I am less likely to to find myself embarrassed or rejected
Then again I guess it depends on whether the girl is happy to risk being rejected as well

Posted by: abckenny at March 28, 2008 3:09 PM

Karina. If this blog gets too unwieldly is it not possible to slice the first half off and post it to archives then attacht the rest on closing ?
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 28, 2008 2:40 PM

OOhlala & groundhogday..your arguments sound reasonable..except when I think of the men that just can't dance and have no co ordination. Also people have differing levels of passion and how they express this.

Posted by: femalepersuasion at March 28, 2008 2:36 PM

Really Hymnagain,
I was not aware that I was attacking you, merely pointing out some of the irregularities in your posts, a couple of platitudes for the gulible, now all I am getting from you is insults and Geeeeeeeez, now that is immature, I am fully grown up and have the right to have my suspicions about your sincerity and others have the right to be sucked in by you if they wish. I notice one of your admirers had you at 30 love, After your capitulation to Marcus it is now Game Set and Match. Marcus will be happy with that, one of his quickest get under the skin victories.

I think it was groundhog that asked if sex could not be taught. A lot of us in my generation were taught, by very much older women, the war did create a great shortage of younger men. The thing that was so great was that we (most of us that were fortunate enough) were taught how to please the woman, to find out the woman's wishes and her personal delights, then to my great surprise I found out it is not necessary to penetrate to give her the "little death" as many times as she wanted it. No sex theorist is the schools in those days, just some very wise women, thank goodness. When is sex right, as I said previously, depends on time and circumstances.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 28, 2008 2:31 PM

Woodnwine-your comment March 28 11.02 am. You make a fair point. Life, people, situations..it is all about the perceptions we choose to have of others and ourselves too.

This blog is a good topic..it is relevant to a dating site at least ( compared with the travel topic for instance)..but I can't help feel that perhaps we should have all worked this out by now ( I am assuming here an average age bloggers being of 40+ ) when we as individuals are able to confidently choose when sex is right for ourselves, irrespective of what others may think.

My own personal belief is that whether you are a male or female, if you 'sleep' with a person and this causes the said party to distance themselves from you..then they were not interested in getting to know you anyway. Or possibly they even were, but changed their minds.So be it .Think well of them and move on.

May be consciously living in the present will free us all. This is just about fear anyway isn't it??

I guess the bottom line is that if you have sex with a person very early on when you don't know them very well, their is a certain risk involved as we are 'hoping' they will live up to our expectations and unmet needs.

Either way is fine, it just depends on what each person wants/needs/expects from the situation and this understanding will depend on the communication between the people concerned.

Just presuming how things will be will not make it that way.

The ability to ask/say what you want with a person and the vulnerability to let them go if they do not want to continue the journey with you, is what makes life and sex so exciting.

Posted by: femalepersuasion at March 28, 2008 2:29 PM

Marcus Said:
groundhog.1:16 PM
Sex skills sure can be learnt with the right teacher.
You would have to remove all your warpaint though. I wouldn't like the taste of makeup as I was licking your face.

Marcus dear, its psychology 101 that these little digs towards me and others who dont buy into your world view are threatening to your (soft boiled egg) ego. You know the ones. They have a hard shell but a little poke and theres runny yoke everywhere. No need to be so serious. What do you care who approves or doesnt approve of your values? I dont care who approves of mine but Im enjoying the different views of how people view the topic. We are all just exchanging ideas here. Everyone is entitled to their own

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 28, 2008 2:29 PM

Thanks for the quick feedback guys, I'll try to incorporate relationship issues into travel topics for next time. I have just posted another topic but due to the huge success of this one I'll keep it running through the weekend.
Cheers,
Karina

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 28, 2008 1:56 PM

Marcus

I don't expect you to understand and I'm not here to educate you. Each to their own. Please don't bother yourself with my entries; there will no more replies to you.

Virgil

Well said.

OG

What ever. Your opinion is yours. I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone. Accept me for who I am, or don't. I really don't care. You want references? Geeeeeeeez.

Agree, disagree, offer a different perspective, share an experience.........anything. Why attack? Where is the joy in that? Some people live a very sad existence. Grow up.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 28, 2008 1:49 PM

I too Groundhogday think that sex can be learned especially many of the skills to thrill a man and make him come back for more and more. Tantric sex is sure worth having a look at too. Just that some men would not like to be told at an older age that they are not so good. So what do you do? Imagine if they said that to us. It would be awful. Having sex again after a long time is very scary. My friends tell me it is like riding a bike but I always fall off the bike. No balance. When we are married sex becomes so comfortable and relaxed but with a new person I dont know. It takes a long time to get to that comfort level and we are impatient.
All this talk of football is not sexy and I have ended friendships with nice men over their obsessions with the game. They are more interested in the leather ball than in me for months of the year. Richardcruise why would any woman be tempted by a free beer. You will need to do better than that to tempt a Melbourne woman.
Riversong I agree that it seems impossible that the older man and the older woman find each other attractive. Think it could be a bit of being scared of getting older on both sides. We look at the other and think oh no do I look that old? but your right too that people who get together are similar in age. That is nice but isnt happening often enough because of this age problem and what men really think of older women.
Roger you are a very very handsome man and your looks do not match your horrible off putting tirades against women. Is it because you have women throwing themselves at you just because of your looks that you have become so bitter.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 28, 2008 1:47 PM

good one marcus

I hadnt picked herman hesse
hmmm another fine german name?

parchuted in to scotland in ww2?

Eagle

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 1:47 PM

well richard, what can we deduce from your presence?
That Jolly roger has had his day?

Or maybe you are not he?

wonder if we can see both on the same page.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 1:44 PM

Karina

The answer my friend, is blowin in the wind.

ie

number of posts over the last few days to the travel blog v the number of posts here.

When you close this, we will all go there and talk of everything but the topic.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 1:42 PM

Karina.
I think human and gender relationship issues are the go; weave that into the topic and it will take off.
Weekends away, trips O/S with partners that sort of thing.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 1:40 PM

groundhog.1:16 PM
Sex skills sure can be learnt with the right teacher.
You would have to remove all your warpaint though. I wouldn't like the taste of makeup as I was licking your face.
Cheers Marquis.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 1:37 PM

Bye everyone, off for awhile, will check back in later and see if any more movement... :-)

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 28, 2008 1:33 PM

Laughs and talks

Funny, cute and wrong. I like the cut of your jib-sometimes.

Posted by: enrepres at March 28, 2008 1:29 PM

Pastor Eagle. March 28 1:01

Of course. It is not so much reincarnation but the stench of smelly dead and the re eating of vomit.
Necrotic flesh and including Herman Hesse.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 1:24 PM

Do you guys like travel topics at all?
Cheers,
Karina

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 28, 2008 1:20 PM

Hi amberlight58, we are in the process of rebuilding our kiss section and the upgraded version is going to have encouragement kisses.
Cheers,
Karina

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 28, 2008 1:16 PM

Is it just me or does anyone else think that sex (good sex) is a skill that can be learned.
Surely the point of a good relationship is the ability to communicate and work on things that need to be worked on. Yeah - you say - but what if he wont talk about it. Well then thats not about sex - thats about maturity level. If you snag an immature male then theres not much chance of a good relationship anyway if you cant communicate about important issues.If sex were a house and communication skills a foundation - I know which I would want to secure first

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 28, 2008 1:16 PM

enrepres March 28 11:38 AM
Thank you for reminding me. We met at an inner suburban night club didn't we? I thought you said you were a milliner's model. I was impressed with you knowledge of the karma sutra.
Cheers Marquis.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 1:06 PM

Would you also rans take your girlfriends to your second rate football teams matches and forget it. They lose; you lose.

Now Collingwood v Lions tonight. I am lobbying to be the one that escorts God Mick Malthouse to the middle at quarters (so I can get on TV of course, and procure a professionally made video clip for my profile here that would put you, Virgil, to shame- a classic piece of one upmanship eh!) but am more likely to end up as meet and greet, being such a highly social and affable animal, all visiting Collingwood supporters to our wonderful city. And any Collingwood supporters who are also on rsvp (femmes only) get a free beer from me after the game.

Posted by: richardzkruspe at March 28, 2008 1:01 PM

Pastor Eagle.
Might take issue with your tip for the Doggie's against the Dee's.
Saw the not so mighty Dee's last sunday and they were deplorable. Cannot imagine they could be that bad 2 in a row.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 10:23 AM
Having discussed the footy implications of this post, I notice I keep the title pastor, with the pleasing post nominal Eagle.

This might indicate to me you are also of the view that our jolly roger is one of the other serial pests reincarnated?

Eagle

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 1:01 PM

Hmm I've had nothing - no movement from the blogs for 30 minutes now - good thing I'm on holidays hey...? >:P

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 28, 2008 1:00 PM

Hi Karina,
Is it possible to have a kiss that simply gives encouragement to someone else?

For example I had a young person view me (certainly far too young for me: only a fraction older than my own son!!) but he seemed so "cute" (for want of a better word!)and I would have loved to have been able to send a kiss such as "Hi! I think your profile/photo is great! I wish you well in your search. Hope you find someone soon!" or similar. Is anything like this able to be available in the future?
(Thanks for a great blog, too!)
Cheers

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 28, 2008 12:53 PM

picklessister - sorry but have to agree with oohlala - women are not the only ones suffering from things getting saggy as they get older!

But what's the answer? Everyone chasing their tails in a circle looking for someone (much) younger? A guaranteed recipe for no-one ever finding anyone! If you look in the "wedding" pages of the papers, you will see that most (yes there might be an ocasional exception) but most couples that actually get together are within plus or minus two years of the same age.

Er, I mean "get together" for something other than the meat feast thing :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 28, 2008 12:51 PM

himagain said:Marcus, Thanks for your question

Boyd, you are so far ahead of Marcus you might as well be communicating in advanced latin to a dungbeetle.

Marcus - I do have the qualifications so seem to crave for validation of Boyds comments and Boyd is on the money

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 28, 2008 12:50 PM

WoodnWine and oohlala1 re mirrors:
I have a great cartoon - shame I can't attach it here - it shows a gorgeous stunning woman looking in the mirror and seeing a refection with a really fat butt, and a very - shall I say (to be kind) - very "ordinary" old bloke looking into it and seeing a handsome muscled hunk.

Something to do with women's insecurities and men's over-inflated egos? ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 28, 2008 12:43 PM

Virgil

"I feel most blokes really want intimacy, to love and be loved, communication, and friendship with their loved one."

I believe it takes most males too many years to arrive at this point; and many never get there.
Cheers,
Boyd.
Posted by: himagain at March 28, 2008 11:50 AM

I feel that wanting intimacy and love is a starting point for all people, the trouble is that in many, this is an unconscious desire, that is sublimated by peer pressure, other blokes false bravado, and circumstances.

It doesnt help if the person fails to take notice of their inner child, and forces their way through life, in the alpha way. This can be both males and females.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 12:43 PM

Hi Boyd

Welcome to the blogs, I have been reading your posts, and viewing your profile with interest, as another fairly like minded sort of a bloke.

As you may have gathered I am also a business owner, I left Perth August last year to make my home in Adelaide.

I am also in touch with my feminine side, and am happy to be me, and do not feel anyone has a right to tell me how to define my masculinity, as someone here recently tried to do to Willow and myself.

I tend to make the first move, in the sex department, but if this is treated with ambivalence, I dont press the issue. I dont try and analyse my partners mental state in the heat of a date, choosing sponenaity, rather than analysing the passion out of the moment.

Like you, I dont hang everything on being popular, as most here would know, I am sensitive, this has both a good and bad side, in that I easily get sucked in when my core values are threatened, as recently by jolly roger, but also has a good side.

I find casual sex doesnt interest me, I want sex to be enjoyed with a girlfriend/ regular partner.

I feel I want the person to be a friend first and formost, someone I want to spend time with, not here today and gone tomorrow.

I dont think I identify with Pluto, any more than I identfy with Alpha males, but like you, I have been successful by being myself, not putting on a mask to go out dating, What you see is what you get.

Once again Boyd, welcome here, your posts have been like a breath of fresh air.

Doug

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 12:35 PM

Oh really Hymnagain,
How dissapointed am I. One Freudian slip admitted to already, now in 11.20 am post you are lecturing our earthbound Eros on the topic. It is good that you know when a woman is into you, the question is, "what is she into you with", Never been into that kinky stuff myself, also you said in a previous post to our love god that you had not had sex for years? more Porkies, as I told you previously it is hard to maintain such an elaborate charade, remember Lincon said "You can fool etc"

Plus that I am glad I never knocked around
those poor souls you described, Mine were all normal women and most of them could wrestle better than me, I fought valiantly but always had to give in.

Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 28, 2008 12:31 PM

Hi Amberlight

I really dont know what gear I will wear to the footy tomorrow, that of my old team I have supported forever, or my new team that I will see every second week. They both play exciting footy, maybe I should just wear both clubs gear cause I will probably be barracking for both sides at different times of the day.

The crows supporter you spoke of, a very interesting thing, I had such uncertainty, if I should take it further,basically I felt she was not my type. This was a hard decision to come to, as she was very nice person, appropriate age group, but there was an indefinable something that said we would not be good together. I contacted her, and she said the same thing, that I was not her type.

I think my type is on the more introverted, rather than extrovered on the Myers Briggs scale, and I tend to be a bit intimidated by extroverts.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 12:14 PM

Blueeyes @27/3 5.17pm
The answer was so obvious that it was ignored, I noted it and thought what man would not accept.

Having said that, what in the hell is wrong with a woman taking the lead. I have me being a favourite of a few people and it bugs me that I cannot see who it is. Even if I could not see who had me listed I would still send a stamp, That is 50% of the process as far as I am concerned, finding someone who is interested in ME, and I am sorry, kisses do not always have the same impact. As to the younger generations refering to wrinkles and more wrinkles that inches, just wait, your turn will come, and when you get lonely enough you will not worry and learn to see through the superficiality of "good looks". Plus that Viagara is old hat now, the new generation has a standing time "on demand" of 36 hours, very bad for younger men at full strength, and pretty hard on the so called Lionesses out there so they tell me.

For those poor souls that cannot come to grips with the failures of their marriages I am trying to source Flagellation Cats, then they can beat themselves in private and leave these pages for the topic. Hopefully they will be cheap enough for all to purchase. All profits will be kept by me. No Vinegar or Salt supplied.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 28, 2008 12:14 PM

Hey everyone, think I've almost caught up here. I just wanted to say in reply to :

Ditto and no I can not tolerate liars either. I similarly agree that at this stage in my life after 10 years of marriage and 13 years of singledom including approximately 6 years of celibacy, I would not listen if anyone called me a slut were I to find someone I actually wanted to have sex with. Of course I would not settle for a relationship that did not have lovemaking as opposed to just good old sex. Being discerning as to who I date has basically caused me to just not bother anyway lately and am going to just continue not to actually look but also engage in non RSVP life. sunrisesiezta at least we are reasonably happy in our own company, which is something.

SSC

Posted by: slightsynchronicity

It is lovely to hear a fellow woman (if that makes sense?) in the same boat. I chose to be single, I have many friends who seem to need a man to complete them. I have my kids, my job and my house, that seemed to be enough for 10 years, however now I'd like someone to share all I have with. However, I do not need a man to complete me.

I do agree with some of the posts in relation to if you see someone for weeks / months and then the sex is no good what do you do? I want the whole package, not sure if you can get such a thing anymore, however I want to be cherished, respected, honoured, loved, and for the sex to be incredible. If you can't have all that why settle? I can't settle... Just my views....

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 28, 2008 12:09 PM

Ummm can I have some clarification from "Justsaying" please. Are you saying I am a case for sooner rather than later, is that just referring to the funny lines afterwards (yes it was funny) or was that comment referring to both? Sorry if I have misunderstood but people on here can be rather personally insulting at times without provocation, just because they feel we all need to know our short comings.

Posted by: mystiemuse at March 28, 2008 12:01 PM

So that's what some women call us ... a D&D. Nice.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 11:59 AM

Virgil

"I feel most blokes really want intimacy, to love and be loved, communication, and friendship with their loved one."

I believe it takes most males too many years to arrive at this point; and many never get there.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 28, 2008 11:50 AM

Thanks Virgil,
For your advice to Kaz, I have to do footy tipping for work today, so I might just take some of your advice!!
I have to say I don't normally watch football (well sometimes I start, but then the game becomes a bit boring when one side gets too far ahead) but the match between the Crows and the Bulldogs was fantastic!

I took my son to a live match between the Crows and Fremantle at AAMI (?2006: I think it was some kind of final and they wanted extra support: usually ordinary people can't easily get tickets) and it was really good, the atmosphere was wonderful.
Take care wearing that Eagles scarf tomorrow, won't you? Have you met up with that lady you really liked, who was a Crows supporter, again yet?

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 28, 2008 11:43 AM

In my circle, Laughsandtalks/Marcus/Marquise/Whatever would be known as a D & D.
Do-able & Discard-able.
One of my female friends is also a D & D and quite happy about it.

Posted by: enrepres at March 28, 2008 11:32 AM

Loved your posts jenjen, think I may cut & paste them for future reference!!

laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 3:03 AM & 3:38 AM:
I have noticed that himagain is getting under your skin, Marcus. You have very valid comments to make and I usually enjoy your posts (and debating with you), but I'm afraid sometimes you go over the top and are just cruel and insulting.
I hope your friend Tim stays married (for the rest of the women in his home State!), and that he has a little more respect for his wife as she ages!! (or doesn't he expect to stay around that long?)

I actually agree with you about the Mars & Venus idea, because that seems to me to simply make excuses for some quite rude and disrespectful behaviour from both men and women e.g. "he can't help it, it's simply the way he/she is...."
Howver, after being on the end of some pretty appalling behaviour from men in the past, I think "He's just not into you" is a realistic book that all women should read! We've all seen blokes over the years who treat a long-term partner awfully, cheat on her, take her for granted, etc. Yet after she gives up and finally realises how much he really doesn't give a s***, he finds someone else and he suddenly turns into a "model", or even "henpecked" husband!!
Doing things he'd never do for his previous partner!
No he hasn't a brain transplant, he's just found someone he actually gives a damn about and doesn't want to lose her!

If all women actually knew at the start that ALL men are capable of treating a women well IF he loves/wants her enough (although realistically those with "power" issues may never be) then we'd save ourselves years of heartache.
My daughter in her late teens has a friend who lives with her boyfriend, does all the housework, works full-time, helps him out when he gets into financial trouble and pays nearly all the bills (reminds me of my relationship with my ex in the early days) yet she frequently gets upset because he forgets her birthday, and is not keen to become engaged!!
Yes she's had a rotten childhood and has low self-esteem (also like me!) but what the....?
Maybe if she'd had access to a "bible" (sorry dodgy) like "He's just not into you" she may still be in the situation out of choice, but at least she'd know here he is coming from, even if she didn't want to believe it!
I'd love to give it to her, but my daughter says she's just not ready yet.

Re my comments on younger women not wanting men in their peer group, I know that there are women who have always been attracted to older men for "security" but it's apparently becoming more frequent these days which is maybe why more younger men are increasingly interested in older women and not just for a fling either.

My only concern with one of these romances is that an older woman may be not be keen to have anymore children, and the younger guy may never have the chance to be a dad (meantime the old boys are busily adding their less virile genes to the gene pool for future generations!)

So robynthehood, good luck!! I hope it all works out for you. I have recently met a few people who are in great relationships where the guy is 6-10 years younger than the woman and they seem to be working well!

dodgyroger, it appears Karina really likes you (perhaps she's in on the joke) so I guess we can only "look forward" to your sermon on Sunday! Please no "pillars of venereal maggotty rotten meat" though, it's inclined to turn one's stomach!!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 28, 2008 11:24 AM

Marcus

Thanks for your question.

Some women engage in sex for reasons other than wanting to be intimate with the guy they are with at that moment. They do this as a result of having one, or psychological issues.

These may include:

A feeling of obligation.
They confuse sex with love.
To get back at someone else.
A fear of being bashed if they decline.
They are used to being treated as door mats.
Low self esteem.
Being under the influence of booze or drugs.
They guy sold them on the idea.

These are things that the Alpha Male, generally, will not pick up on. Yes, it's generally consensual sex and that's all the Alpha Male, generally, cares about.

That is, until she says "No" or "Stop" during the act. She says this because she is, generally, battling with one of the above, or a different, psychological issues.

The Government included this issue in a multi million dollar advertising campaign relating to abuse against women.

Me, I pick up on these issues. I can sense when a woman is engaging in sex with me for reasons other than wanting to be intimate with me. I can sense when she's not into me and I could, in her mind, be anyone.

This is not the type sex I choose to engage in. For me, she must want to engage in sex with me because she's into me; no other reason.

So no, I have no PHD. I have first hand knowledge and experience and, moreover, I am Plutonian.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 28, 2008 11:20 AM

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 9:25 AM

G ... I so agree with you on this one. Age is a number, attitude is not. I've also met worn out 40 year olds and vibrant 70 year olds. Guys in and around Melbourne, I've had dinner with amdoingit and can tell you she is one hell of a vibrant person ... do yourselves a favour.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 11:06 AM

"The older men seem to let themselves go to ruin. They get a bit fat and dont eat well and their skin goes red and saggy. Men have such big egos from when they were pampered by their mamas and told you are beautiful. This stays with them and as they get older they are cruel to the older women but do not look so much at themselves in the mirror to see what is looking back out at them. Is like riversongs luna park mirror. not so good.
Posted by: oohlala1 at March 28, 2008 9:09 AM"

oohlala ... now let's not start a slinging match, after all, it can depend on which side of the fence you are sitting on. This argument has raged before but I do remind women (at the risk of being abused) that 5 foot four and size 14 is not slim or athletic. Maybe men are guilty too (I don't date men) but many women are obviously having mirror trouble too.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 28, 2008 11:02 AM

To be quite honest i dont get the younger man thing..and when i see a guy that wants someone lots younger i think they are such a try hard.

At my age (40) younger men want kids, so if you are over the breeding thing its a little difficult to go younger for a long term thing. I want a lover not a breeder. And more than a couple of years is just not for me.

Although oohlala i agree with a lot of your points, a dud in the bedroom is a sad state of affairs but not all older men are like that..maybe a little too generalised ;)

Posted by: picklessister at March 28, 2008 10:43 AM

Greetings 'himagain' - Thanks for your honesty... it gives me hope that there are some guys out there who want more than just sex... You have restored my diminshing hope!
Thanks!

Posted by: onesoulonajourney at March 27, 2008 11:20 PM

I think most blokes want more than sex.

Sex is the topic talked about here, and rarely, we seem to be on topic.

I feel most blokes really want intimacy, to love and be loved, communication, and friendship with their loved one.

Once before, I have said, the unhappiest time of my life has been in the last few months of my marriage, because the communication was breaking down, the mutual love that had been the glue that kept us together was disappearing.

But mostly, I feel because the unrealised potential of growing older and finishing life with one wife, was now not going to happen.

I suspect fear for what was going to happen to the family, and all the individual members of it.

Following the breakdown of my marriage, I had more than a year, of just being....
wondering what had happened
wondering why it had happened?

I will never again experience the same love and going through life as a young man with a young wife, starting a family, going through the trials and tribulations of bringing up a family.

Looking back, the hardest part sees the main failings in my marriage were mine.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 10:28 AM

Pastor Eagle.
Might take issue with your tip for the Doggie's against the Dee's.
Saw the not so mighty Dee's last sunday and they were deplorable. Cannot imagine they could be that bad 2 in a row.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 10:23 AM

Virgil, whats happening with the football this week, any tips ?? Other than the Crows and the Eagles that is......

Well auntieK,
Tonight Brisbane are first up back from Subi, and that is hard, but they were very good and Jon Brown almost won by himself last week, Collingwood under Mick are very young, and fit and just got a bit of a training run last week, b ut I think Brissy at home.

WB to defeat Melb easily

Eagles or Adelaide, anybodies game, maybe Adelaide because at home, but I rarely tip against the eagles and most likely wont here.

At Kilda over Carlton easily

Freo v Hawthorn, Freo havent quite made Subi a fortress like Eagles have, and were a bit ordinary last week, a hard one, but I think Hawks might get up, cause freo save their emotion and best games for the Eagles.

Sydney v Port, Sydney cause it is at SCG, a stupid little round ground.

Geelong v Essendon Geelong cause they are the real deal.

Richmond v Kangaroos, Kangaroos cause Richmond won last week and dont have a winning culture yet, and havent strung 2 wins together for ages.

This will be a very hard round to pick, with the only certainties being Bulldogs & St Kilda.

There Kaz, hope that helped.

Posted by: virgil at March 28, 2008 9:52 AM

Marcus I dont understand why the younger man would want the dried up woman. I think the words grab a granny to be insulting but on other foot when I try to grab a grandpa there is not so much to grab onto and if I get hold nothing happening. Get the blue pills quickly. This is reason enough for ladies to go younger not older. Is unpleasant result when you have spent a lot of time getting to know someone and then awful in the bedroom. You leave with a red face and dont want to see then again.
At least with younger men everything in working order. That is if that is all you want and most women want it all. There is the problem that will never be solved. This makes Marcus right.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 28, 2008 9:25 AM

Troyohboy.... Ditto, ditto and ditto... BUT.. it is sometimes a case of a person being much younger than their chronological age and a younger person would suit. God, there are 40 odd year olds who act like their life is over and they have no oomph whatsoever. Then there are those who are in their 60's and 70's who live a very active life in all areas who could find it hard to find a partner in their own age bracket that could keep up with them and their lifestyle.

The age on our profile is a right pain in the old proverbial if you ask me... We don't have our age tattooed on our foreheads when we go out and we meet people of all ages who we click with. Here, most people search by age so it sucks...

It's only when on the profile it's so blatantly obvious that it irks. Like one I saw last night. A 59yo, rather large man, who was looking for a young, petite partner, preferably 29 to 49.. Yeah, whatever... Had generous in his profile so he'll probably get some nibbles. Hope he has a decent supply of bait to keep the little fishies interested.. Yukk...

Anyway, that's my lot for this morning. Gotta go to work sometimes...

Have a good one all.. Check you later "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 9:25 AM

Now, however, my children are older and financially independant, sort of, my motivations have changed. I no longer need an older man to provide for me, I can do that very well for myself.
And looking around, a lot of the men older than myself are starting to look rather worn out and wrinkly. He he. So I am thinking the younger blokes are looking pretty good.

Posted by: jenjen57 at March 28, 2008 7:35 AM

Jenjen this is a very good point. The older men seem to let themselves go to ruin. They get a bit fat and dont eat well and their skin goes red and saggy. Men have such big egos from when they were pampered by their mamas and told you are beautiful. This stays with them and as they get older they are cruel to the older women but do not look so much at themselves in the mirror to see what is looking back out at them. Is like riversongs luna park mirror. not so good.
Roger I do not know what you are talking about. I just hid my profile for a few hours yesterday. Could not help it if this was time you wanted to look or inspect. But no picture yet as have met someone. I said this weeks ago but you must not have seen post. I been lucky here and met a man within two weeks. Just seeing how it goes very slowly. No sex yet but as soon as I get married who knows. You said to wait didnt you?
I think the women need to take notice of what all these men are saying. Some like laughs and talks are saying that men do not want just one relationship when they can have many for different reason. Think this is true too. Dont know if this makes the man a player but should have our eyes open always. Marcus also speak of oxytocin. This is powerful chemical reaction not to be sneezed at. ladies should know about it and not lseep with man who is still a stranger to you.
Melbourne girls like himagain because he is like what we think Melbourne men should be.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 28, 2008 9:09 AM

blueeyes.
I retold that quip because it often makes women bristle. How dare we should be the butt of tongue in cheek (but truthful) misogyny they think . All day everyday men are portrayed as buffoons and worse it is just accepted. There is a serious point to it as well. A few of the older girls here are making noises about young lovers. I've had my share of older women 10, 20 and even 30 years my senior and there is truth in the quip. Older women are flattered by a young mans virility and if they are mature have a sensible attitude to recreational sex.
Grab a Granny.
Cheers Marcus
As for Tim he is smart and charismatic and married but always had a queue of prospects.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 9:05 AM

I am often amused by people on RSVP, both male and female, who only want a younger partner as those older (their own age) are looking a little saggy. Do these people own mirrors? I think not!

Posted by: troyohboy at March 28, 2008 8:56 AM

Robynthehood, good luck with your younger beau.. Here's hoping you get to do more than just jump on that sofa!!!! "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 8:54 AM

I think that first dates off rsvp are different to 'real life' where you know someone in advance then date them where it could happen. The tentative first meeting is a bit of a dance and the extra pressure one way or another is probably just too much for a relationship to start. Of course if you are there for a good time not a long time then all is good so long as both are on the same page.

Having said that I do think that you know upfront if the magic is there. So if you don't even think about what it would be like then you probably should be moving on.

Posted by: mrfriskey at March 28, 2008 8:50 AM

Morning all,.. a quick line before I head off...

Marcus, @ 3.38am. That was pretty mean. Don't take a lot of what you say to heart as I know you're usually just looking to ellicit responses, (well, I hope so anyway) but for once I'm biting. Not nice sweetheart ok !!! .... Damn, does this mean that I've finally succumbed????

Play nice Marcus !!!!! "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 8:46 AM

MArcus, I don't think your friend Tim will get many pick ups now that you have told the world (at least here) what he thinks of older women.He is just charming-not!
And I doubt Dodgy that you are innocent. If you are preparing a sermon keep in mind the number of priests,etc who have "looked after" the innocent. At least if you are in church, my girls won't have to ignore you on the beach.The challenge is still there for the photo-you have seen mine-fair's fair.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 28, 2008 8:26 AM

Jenjen – some more - responses to “how about it?”:

“I only mate with those of my own species.”

“Oh! So you’re a MAN are you?”

“No thanks, already had that strain.”

“How much?”

Posted by: riversong1 at March 28, 2008 8:21 AM

Well, I have dated from rsvp but being in the older age group have not managed to sleep with any of my partners. Not that I have not had offers....one to 'christen' his new bed...yeah right. He actually did up an invitation on the computer and sent it to me. I thought it was for an 'event' we were going to. Sadly he attended the 'event' on his own.

Others to come into the bedroom, just for a 'cuddle'....like do we need to go there for that?

Another one suggested that I come to his house, the door would be left open and the hall light on, and pointed out how much money he had...several times. Maybe I should have gone and wore my slinky pyjamas....no idea what HE was thinking...well I do....just don't want to say it here.

Often men in the older age group do not tell the whole truth about themselves. I like cuddles, they say. Well, that is all they can do. They don't tell you about hip replacements, walking frames, medications they are on which affect their prowess, if that is a tactful way to say it. I have been told of Viagra so many times. The cure all.

I am now going out with a man who is 10 years my junior. Given up on the older guys. He is a very nice man but we will see how it goes. If it does, you will see me on the couch, jumping up and down like Tom.

Posted by: robynthehood at March 28, 2008 8:20 AM

QUOTE "[Proper standard of dress is not entirely on point.

Hypocrisy is something else altogether.

So whose cameras do you think the lifesavers at Surfers Paradise beach were confiscating when they were photographing women in almost total state of undress, a g string of a bikini and everything else flaunted in full public view on a beach frequented by minors.

A few of those photos need only make their way to South East Asia Muslim communities to re-affirm once again the total immorality of our low standard of female animal that plagues this country. Descendants of convicts. Most of the West End Houses of prostitution 1788- 1820s were cleaned out regularly in the convict era in order to provide the “wholesome” livestock for breeding a degenerate race in Australia. These almost naked females in g string bikinis haven’t progressed much further than their 4X great grandmothers. They flaunt it in public and usually bed hundreds of men in succession in that Den of Sin and Iniquity that is the seething godless Gold Coast, for money or just for free, as good time girls that infest the Coast, occasionally working but more often just in it for iniquity and vice.

But the morons of lifesavers, assuming that the photos were for pornographic purposes, are the sort of mental idiots that date these women and expect to bed them each night, confiscated the evidence.

Wow! What a great lifesaving movement we have in Australia. No mouth to mouth from them please. Don’t know where their mouths have been when the beach closes at night. Put the resus mouthguards on the victim, please; not on the so called resuscitator.

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 27, 2008 6:27 PM ]"

END QUOTE

Dodgy Rodger - I too am religious and as such have chosen to uphold my beliefs and not sleep with any until marriage. Mate - that's fine for me, and it works for me.

I take isue with your remarks however as it would appear you have forgotten the one great thing about the Christian beliefs and the plan God had for us all.

And that is every single one of us has an absolute right to choose. We have the right to choose how we live our lives. We have the right to choose pre-marital sex. We have the right to choose to smoke, drink or gamble. We have these rights to choose as part of the plan of God. Therefore if people choose to exercise these rights please don't judge them. Let them.

Live your life in the manner which you deem to be appropriate and allow them to do the same. It isn't for us to judge them nor is it for them to judge us. My Rugby team mates think it's odd that I believe what I do, but they don't give me any grief over my decision, they just accept it which is what we all need to do. It does stand to reason some of us on here would have the same viewpoints and others would be opposed. Thats a wonderful thing you know.

As I said before - for me the answer is to wait until marriage and not before but it's interesting reading everyone's viewpoints on the topic. Oh and for the record yes I have had sex guys. I am actually qualified to buy into this one.

Posted by: shadowzone at March 28, 2008 8:16 AM

Oohlala

Your problem my dear is that you reveal too much when you write.

Letting on a few private snippets, both in your present transmogrification and earlier ones, tends to counter the fact that you always keep your profile hidden, a tendency which in itself is a dead give away.

I’ll see you in church on Sunday as I am preparing a special sermon for the unbelievers, followed of course by a fellowship tea, scones, bikkies, and will personally autograph my latest book “Celibacy For The Masses” (as seen on TV and Dr Phil).

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 28, 2008 8:12 AM

Laughsandtalks (2.30am) – nah – I think it’s just the skateboard ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 28, 2008 8:08 AM

Ha haha Jenjen: "So many men - so many reasons not to sleep with any of them" you make me laugh! So funny. So true.

Yep, ditto sunkissedqld - you nailed it early on - there's a nice guy drought going on in dial-a-trash ebay Melbourne as well!

Am I being cynical? Or just realistic? Where have all the nice guys (not reincarnations/plastic playactors) gone? Wherever that is, doesn't look like it's in this pest shop. (Yikes - starting to sound like I agree with Marquis de Sade re "everyone knows what this place is for...")

The reincarnations - remind me of weeds sprouting up all over the place. Has anyone looked at some of their profiles? Very funny. I understand what a "mocko" is now :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 28, 2008 7:59 AM

Blueeyes

I am not letting you see my photos as I feel you will only take advantage of my innocence on this site.

And besides, I am busy preparing Sunday’s sermon for the masses (which includes the unrepentant and a few stray sinners who log in occasionally – and usually when they should be going to church- and tend to dwell in that den of iniquity that is Melbum – now isn’t that right girls!)

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 28, 2008 7:43 AM

"Straightforward really because women have such simple and usually transparent needs."
Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 2:30 AM
If we have such simple and transparent needs then why do you guys find us so difficult to keep pleased or for any of us to find suitable partners?

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 28, 2008 7:39 AM

Marcus........women have such simple and transparent needs ???
I think a lot of what motivates us changes as we get older. As a young woman I might have been more interested in a strong work ethic, financial propects etc in a man, only so that I could be sure he would be able to provide for me while I had his children, and the provide for those children as they grew up.
Now, however, my children are older and financially independant, sort of, my motivations have changed. I no longer need an older man to provide for me, I can do that very well for myself.
And looking around, a lot of the men older than myself are starting to look rather worn out and wrinkly. He he. So I am thinking the younger blokes are looking pretty good.

Posted by: jenjen57 at March 28, 2008 7:35 AM

Advantage Boyd, 30 love (or is it L'oeuf or luv or lov)

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 28, 2008 7:34 AM

Blueeyes.
The 'He's not that into you' book is pop psychology and as bad as the Venus & Mars one that set back understanding a decade or so.
Duh. The response is as usual with matters of taste and preference subjective and depends on how he views your attractiveness quotients. Most men will say yes at some point because the line of least resistance to a sexual encounter makes the most sense to spreading the genes. Not withstanding that, if he finds you attractive, your approach might end in a long relationship. If he doesn't find you so attractive but more rootable you might find yourself in a different sort of relationship: superficially indistinguishable from the one you want. Haha.
Cheers Marquis

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 3:31 AM

Pommyshiela. March 27 3:31 pm.
And you failed the audition?
You made the poor bloke wait too long. You tortured him and of course, being a sensible, elegible man he did not have all his eggs in one basket. A man, as is a woman, is allowed to have more than one admirer. He is also under no obligation to disclose this while he is finding out about you. As I keep saying RSVP is a meat market where you are both a customer and a seller. A modern, pragmatic approach to dating ethics is required here. Despite 100000 years of observation of their homo sapiens men, women under the influence of their love hormones forget that many men who have reproduced or are past the usual age range want a women for purely recreational purposes. They want the milk, not the cow (and no I don't mean milk as in only sex) and there is nothing wrong with this. Many women with their latent maternal relationship need and social conditioning that the cooperative collaborative have been duped. If you have a good friendship with a fellow SO WHAT if he has other women friends. That is an indication of his normalcy not diagnostic of inherent evil.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 3:03 AM

Amberlite
Your query about younger guys impressions that their female peers were attracted to older men would hardly be a revelation.
Young women are attracted to established secure men because the need for maternal security and protection is part of the human females primary sexual motivation . Of course there are all the consumer benefits of a Sugar Daddy relationship as well. Women are also attracted to high status men but for different reasons. His status will reflect on her and make her in turn a more desirable partner.
Straightforward really because women have such simple and usually transparent needs.

Boyd,
Again re your post, 2nd last paragraph, March 27 2:29 AM. Serious question.
I'm wondering what is your qualification to judge if a women is in a suitable mental state for sex & what are some of these psychological issues you may aggravate if you shag her?
Unless you were working in a female psychiatric or mental disability ward or similar position of trust and intimate knowledge I cannot think of a reason (other than one to mask a dysfunction of your own) why her consent would not do.
I look forward to your response. If you want to do it privately indicate and it will be on my stamp.

Anyway on a lighter note Karina's Adventure Travel blog next door is languishing. With your prose, metrosexual insights and experience of asteroid to planetary maneuvering you might have something to offer.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 28, 2008 2:30 AM

K... Yes, roses are oh so sweet thank you.. Should've done it a long time ago.. Am so totally rejuvenated.. Wait till you "see" me it really, really does show!!! And I will be bearing "treats"...MMmmm.. Massive poster on fridge to remind me!!!! "G"

By the way, what's your fence made of??? No splinters?? Unbelievable!!!!!

Posted by: amdoingit at March 28, 2008 1:09 AM

yep, talk about sex and we are all there....and dodgyroger is doing his best to bring in religion, sooo Politics anyone!!!

Willow and Perth, both very funny, made me laugh!

Willow, come back and do a virtual party again, I have the "black russians" ready and waiting.

Troy and Boyd, I took a peek at both profiles, welcome to blog land, watch out for occaisional land mines, as it happens to all of us occaisionally! Also note we have reincarnations here too.

Wishful , agree with your thoughts and Kaz, hope you don't get too many splinters or poked in the wrong place from that fence!!!

Have a lovely evening all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 28, 2008 12:22 AM

Yes they are mystiemuse..........over and over and over.........cant seem to stop talking about it........but your 5 cents worth seems to sum up the general consensus !!

Here are some more Willow........

So many men - so many reasons not to sleep with any of them.

Tell him you're not his type - you have a pulse.

Go for younger men. You might as well - they never mature anyway.

A man's idea of serious commitment is usually, "Oh all right, I'll stay the night".

Women sleep with men who, if they were women, they wouldn't even have bothered to have lunch with.

If he asks you if you if you're faking it tell him no, you're just practicing.

When he asks you if he's your first tell him, "You may be, you look familiar."

Posted by: jenjen57 at March 28, 2008 12:18 AM

Just for mystiemuse at March 27, 2008 11:03 PM.

A case for sooner rather than later.

"I feel like a new man,"
a husband said at the end of his honeymoon.

"So do I," said his wife.

Posted by: justsaying at March 28, 2008 12:09 AM

ust for mystiemuse at March 27, 2008 11:03 PM.

A case for sooner rather than later.

"I feel like a new man,"
a husband said at the end of his honeymoon.

"So do I," said his wife.

Posted by: justsaying at March 28, 2008 12:09 AM

Ha haha! picklessister re: "Wow, there is a real crowd in here" - either that or lots of luna park mirrors :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 28, 2008 12:03 AM

Greetings 'himagain' - Thanks for your honesty... it gives me hope that there are some guys out there who want more than just sex... You have restored my diminshing hope!
Thanks!

Posted by: onesoulonajourney at March 27, 2008 11:20 PM

Dodgy- still need your password for photo so I can show it to both my daughters who have been lifesavers for years giving up many hours of their free time. They might need to know who not to rescue in the next rip.
Troyboy-compliment received. What a shame you left the shire. Hope you keep your border pass up to date.
Boys- still no answers to my 5.17pm blog. Maybe you don't like a girl who asks upfront?

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 27, 2008 11:08 PM

Is anyone actually talking about the sex subject, because 300 posts are just too many for me to read. To put in my two cents worth, or is it five now hmmmmm, well anyway....sex is all about personal boundaries, mood morality, and lust. I suppose it just depends on which of those above, the person you are with, draws out the most. First date, third date or tenth date, should not be the reason, the reason should be what you both mutually want, regardless of how long you have known each other. But if you don't think it is ever going to happen, then be honest about it and allow the other to move on.......cheers all.

Posted by: mystiemuse at March 27, 2008 11:03 PM

Timewarp said - G-hogDay @ 1.24pm: There are 2 Ls in bull.

What a strange thing to comment on! I didnt realise that you were the typo police.:)

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 10:38 PM

From Marcus to GHD2
PS Do you have a real photo for your profile, one without the poor girls plastic surgery?

Marcus.Tut tut. Careful your hurt is showing. Seems as though you can dish it out but dont do too well on taking it back eh!

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 10:29 PM

It goes to show you that a relatively lively topic, sort of instant posting and different thoughts / ideas are worth reading through.
Karina, is this a test to see if we can behave nicely most of the time ??

I doubt that artlessdodgem will suffer from attracting too many ladies after the alpha male...Or the preachy one..........

Marcus l agreed with a post of yours earlier but can't remember which one.....a rarity, l know, but l have the sense to admit it when it happens.....Booger, it must be Thursday!!

Willow, so many man jokes...so little time...
Iaminperth,one joke, but a blinder !!!

"G" good to see that you are taking some "G" time after the past few months...do the roses smell nice????

Virgil, whats happening with the football this week, any tips ?? Other than the Crows and the Eagles that is......

Blueeyes, haven't got round to reading "He's just not into you", still reading "Dont fall for him til you see the color of his money".....Isn't that what some guys here think we do???
Notice l said some not all.....

Yes there are some very decent fellas on here that shows with what they write and how they write....... Booger, l'm such a fence sitter these days. And nup l don't have splinters...........................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 27, 2008 10:23 PM

Wishful Dreamer

The correct phrase is:

“Legends in our own lunch hour.”

As a teacher, you should know that.

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 27, 2008 10:14 PM

Welcome back Willow, its been interesting in the sandbox of late, where in one corner we have Osama Bin Laden, the other new bloke is Himagain, hailing from Perth WA, who has taken the women by storm, well particularly the Victorians, although maybe that is not quite right, whilst I haver taken on Osama, Marcus has taken on Himagain, at this stage I would give the points to the new bloke, though Marcus is trying. I suspect Osama is beating me at the moment, but I have the women on my side so no doubt will prevail in the end.

Maybe Osama will go back to being a naughty fish again soon.

Posted by: virgil at March 27, 2008 9:40 PM

Hahaha Willow...nothing like a good "man" joke....but you forgot we could also use them to drag out the wheelie bin too!!

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 27, 2008 9:38 PM

Thanks Boyd, all in the past.

Posted by: willow1059 at March 27, 2008 9:34 PM

Willow, nice to see you taking a peek.. Will be good to see you back.. Here's hoping a topic that tickles your fantasy crops up soon.. Anyway, what's wrong with this one? It's bringing everyone else out!!!!
Cheers..."G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 27, 2008 9:32 PM

Hi guys,
The chances are there won't be anyone moderating for the rest of the night. If I happen to wake up in the middle of the night I'll approve some more if not I'll make sure they get approved first thing in the morning.
I hope you all have a lovely night
Cheers,
Karina

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 27, 2008 9:29 PM

There are some great people on here Willow...and then there are those that keep reinventing themselves in hope that they'll achieve greatness.....or not

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 27, 2008 9:25 PM

A few on topic jokes.

The Why's of Men
1. WHY DO MEN BECOME SMARTER DURING SEX?
(because they are plugged into a genius)

2. WHY DON'T WOMEN BLINK DURING SEX?
(they don't have enough time)

3. WHY DOES IT TAKE 1 MILLION SPERM TO FERTILIZE ONE EGG?
(they don't stop to ask directions)

4. WHY DO MEN SNORE WHEN THEY LIE ON THEIR BACKS?
(because their balls fall over their butt-hole and they vapour lock)

5. WHY WERE MEN GIVEN LARGER BRAINS THAN DOGS?
(so they won't hump women's legs at cocktail parties)

6. WHY DID GOD MAKE MEN BEFORE WOMEN?
(you need a rough draft before you make a final copy)

7. HOW MANY MEN DOES IT TAKE TO PUT A TOILET SEAT DOWN?
(don't know.....it never happened)

And lastly:

8. WHY DID GOD PUT MEN ON EARTH?
(because a vibrator can't mow the lawn)

If this is to be believed it would appear the only role men have in life is that of a toilet roll.

Posted by: willow1059 at March 27, 2008 9:24 PM

Boyd, its nice to hear someone being honest and true to themselves..and sharing too.

The blogs can be a hazardous place at times, i have to admit i am hiding being Willow so that i am not in the firing line :)

Posted by: picklessister at March 27, 2008 9:23 PM

A proud "freak' and someone who knows how to be themselves....nice going there Him.....now if just a little bit of it would rub off on some of the others.....hahaha yeah I know - I'm wishful!

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 27, 2008 9:15 PM

Marcus

I'm twice divorced and have not had sex in ages.

Just wanted to give you a toy to entertain us with.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 9:05 PM

Willow

I have no idea what, exactly, transpired in here; but I have a clue.

Be yourself, be proud to be yourself; very proud, and remember that it's the truth that matters, your truth. It doesn't matter what others think, say or accuse you of. You know the truth, they don't.

People may have a go and attempt to shoot you down; but why? Because you have the courage to be yourself.

When coming under attack, just think about the personal quality of the attacker. In here, this alone should put your mind at ease.

Yup. Unsolicited advice from a person who has only but a clue about what transpired. But it's offered in good faith.

Take care.

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 9:01 PM

WnW 4:29PM "Look at what happened to Willow recently."

Yeah willow got a big serve, was a little dented but a paint job soon fixed it. Still smiling, still reading and ready to be my crazy self when the time and topic is right.

What the little episode did prove is there are some great people here.

Posted by: willow1059 at March 27, 2008 8:51 PM

OG,

Thanks for your comments and your honesty.

I do understand and appreciate how you feel as I know I'm a freak; yet very proud to be one.

I'm not sure how a person proves themselves in here; so I'll just continue to be myself.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 8:49 PM

Wow, there is a real crowd in here these days, its great to hear from the new faces.

And all it took was a topic on sex :)

Posted by: picklessister at March 27, 2008 8:34 PM

Sorry, a bit garbled (it's been one of those "dyslexic" type days!) What I meant to say was "...or was it just what that particular group, of young men felt?

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 27, 2008 8:27 PM

Wishful.

Thanks for your valued input.

Some years ago, being me, was quite challenging. Now older and wiser, I appreciate and understand such reactions, from the likes of Marcus, and it does bring a smile to my face.

It's all good.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 8:25 PM

A nice bit of humour, Perth!

I feel kind of sorry for some of the younger guys these days. There are some fairly "choosy" young women out there nowadays and a lot of younger men in less "glamorous" jobs that don't pay a lot, are not exactly seen as great partner material.
In a blog only quite recently, young guys were complaining that young women (especially those in their mid to late 20s and early 30s) weren't all that interested unless the guy seemed to have the "whole" package, education, good looks, a well-paying job, good in bed, romantic (and not cheap gifts either) and seemed like he was going to be the "perfect" partner. Any thing less than this was viewed as not being particularly desirable and the men couldn't even buy these women a drink.

To the young guys it appeared that some young women seemed more interested in men, the age of these young men's fathers, than men their own age because they viewed them as already "successful".

Do younger men on RSVP feel that this is a problem for them, or if it was just that particular group of young men was feeling?

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 27, 2008 8:18 PM

Troy.
I was not aware that the direction was at you, My shot was at the dodgy one, any offence taken please accept my apology. I do not think you will have to sucker anything.

hymnagain,
my first post on you was in admiration tinged with a little doubt, as some of the Ladies here say. "If it seems to be too good to be true, it most probably is".I have a brother a few years older than you and I have seen him get over the top with his fervour, not a nice sight. I stand by my observations until proven wrong. I recognise you as a powerful and magnetic personality and will most definately treat you as you deserve to be, with reservations.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 8:17 PM

Marcus.

Our opinions, beliefs and attitudes are, thankfully, quite different.

You don't understand where I'm coming from; and that's expected.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 8:12 PM

groundhog
I was Momus for a while.
He was the Greek God of humour, practical jokes, laughing, sarcasm and satire.
Unfortunately such wit was and is wasted on the majority of females here (and unlike Boyd I'm not interested in collecting males).
I changed to my current moniker because it lulls my victims into a false sense of security.
Cheers big ears

PS Do you have a real photo for your profile, one without the poor girls plastic surgery?

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 27, 2008 8:08 PM

Dodger, how are these lucid sentiments of your working for you in the Real World. Bet they're just beating a path to your profile with each blog entry.

Let us know when you've made it to the Top 100 won't you?

Posted by: shedaredme at March 27, 2008 8:07 PM

Oh yeah...more puritanical crap from Dodgy Roger.....short and simple DR....if you don't like what's going on - go elsewhere but stop dragging the Muslims into this, and/or stop droning on about religious viewpoints - yours or anyone elses. What women wear on the beach here is their choice, if you (or anyone else doesn't appreciate it) then don't look....but alas my guess is you'll be looking like everyone else wont you NF???

Himagain....sorry to say it but you'll get bombarded with wise cracks (and not so wise ones) from a few of the men on the blogs, its a jealousy thing. Seems like some type of "sport" to have a go at the sensitive male, the one not out to bed the first chick he meets in the first 15 minutes. Just ignore it - it's happened to others on here and they've left as a result....tall poppy syndrome??? Or is it just their noses are out of joint because some of the women appreciate it a little more than their crude and often inappropriate statements?

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 27, 2008 8:05 PM

himagain.

"Learning, learning, learning we never stop".
Well, hows about addressing the question I posed this morning?
What is your qualification for determining sexual issues women may have and how do you know or decide if you may be contributing to them?
You are placing yourself in the position of psychiatrist or psychologist.
I don't think any of the girly girls here have cottoned on to your preposterously patronising attitude. In the consensual world I inhabit women are my equal and I assume they are capable of making informed decisions about with who and why they want to have sex. I don't run them through a "are you really sure you want to do this routine". That would indicate that I had some issues.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 27, 2008 7:59 PM

Oh dear dodgy,
It would be nice to know why your morality compass points only to women and not the men who also have sex promiscuously. (and are half undressed on the beaches too when I last looked!!)

One then can only presume that you yourself would only have sex within marriage?
And that you are searching for a virgin to have a relationship with?
After all anyone else would already be "tainted" in some way wouldn't they?
It would be hard to believe that anyone who had any life experience at all, could possibly seen as acceptable to you. Apparently a family tree with the odd convict hanging on a to a branch would be unacceptable as well.
Are you actually looking for a partner on RSVP or just trying to get a "rise" out of people? Because your rantings are a little off-putting to put it mildly!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 27, 2008 7:55 PM

Subject: Golf Injury
Two women were playing golf. One teed off and watched
in horror as her ball headed directly toward a
foursome of men playing the next hole.

The ball hit one of the men. He immediately clasped
his hands together at his groin, fell to the ground
and proceeded to roll around in agony.

The woman rushed down to the man, and
immediately began to apologize.

'Please allow me to help. I'm a Physical
Therapist and I know I could relieve your pain if
you'd allow me,'she told him.

'Oh, no, I'll be all right I'll be fine in a
few minutes,' the man replied. He was in obvious
agony, lying in the fetal position, still clasping
his hands together at his groin.

At her persistence, however, he finally
allowed her to help.

She gently took his hands away and laid them
to the side, loosened his pants and put her hands
inside. She administered tender and artful massage
for several long moments and asked,'How does that
feel'?

He replied: 'It feels great, but I still think my
thumb's broken.'

Ya gotta luv 'em!!

Posted by: iaminperth at March 27, 2008 7:45 PM

Blondebiped

Oh dear.

Boyd

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 7:43 PM

Justsaying & OG

I admit that I may have been over the top and, perhaps, got a little carried away. Granted.

Directing such accusations and/or making assumptions about a person is not healthy;
and I see a reasonable amount of it in here.

Please, anyone, feel free to ask me anything you desire, rather than, first, assuming things about me. I'm more than just words on your screen, I'm a person. Please treat me as such, as I do you.

Just ask.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 7:29 PM

Himagain? Did you get the memo that Pluto is no longer a planet? Will that affect the book sales do you think?

Posted by: blondebiped at March 27, 2008 7:26 PM

oldergent there will be no suckering of emails by me. You are getting as bad as the cynical girls on this blog old boy!!
At the risk of inciting more of OG's cynicism I have to say thank you blue eyes, I came from the Shire prior to moving to the most beautiful part of the world and yours is a great photo. OG's comments won't stop me from expressing myself

Posted by: troyohboy at March 27, 2008 7:11 PM

Well, right or wrong, I must have gained some kind of fame or notoriety as I've received a huge number of kisses and several emails from men who protest they're not just after you-know-what, or not in the first five seconds anyway, so I'm hiding my profile for now ... here goes again!

Posted by: pommysheila at March 27, 2008 7:09 PM

Og, behaving myself would be no fun and my stamp is still safely in my back pocket.I don't spend money on things unseen.
Now off to dancing again where I can look at them straight in the face , check all body language and even get to touch them without having to be bedded.
Will tune in later.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 27, 2008 7:00 PM

Woody.

Yes. That's the down side. Being 100% Plutonian is really tough.

I have managed to find balance. In fact, I believe this balance kicked in, by itself, as some type of self defense mechanism.

I guess it's all about learning to trust your instincts and be aware of the warning signs. I'm very intuitive and, in most cases, able to avoid situations and/or people that I believe will cause me pain.

A healthy balance of heart and head will protect you to a large extent.

Open, honest communication also prevents a great deal of hurt; as does being aware of, and accepting, the risk.

Learning, learning learning. We never stop.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 6:41 PM

Blueeyes @ 5.02 pm,
he knew that, now you look like being suckered out of a stamp.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 6:33 PM

G-hogDay @ 1.24pm: There are 2 Ls in bull. And then it's a bit long-winded, even for Marcus.

If you really feel like that, just call him Marquise for short, as he suggested last month.

Dodgyroger: The best way to get one is from doing what you are now so busy denouncing. Could you be a recently-saved previous sinner by any chance?

And please do find a photo to match your description, and post it for us all to see. Not rocket science, and everyone except Marcus is or has done it. Cheers dears.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 27, 2008 6:31 PM

Proper standard of dress is not entirely on point.

Hypocrisy is something else altogether.

So whose cameras do you think the lifesavers at Surfers Paradise beach were confiscating when they were photographing women in almost total state of undress, a g string of a bikini and everything else flaunted in full public view on a beach frequented by minors.

A few of those photos need only make their way to South East Asia Muslim communities to re-affirm once again the total immorality of our low standard of female animal that plagues this country. Descendants of convicts. Most of the West End Houses of prostitution 1788- 1820s were cleaned out regularly in the convict era in order to provide the “wholesome” livestock for breeding a degenerate race in Australia. These almost naked females in g string bikinis haven’t progressed much further than their 4X great grandmothers. They flaunt it in public and usually bed hundreds of men in succession in that Den of Sin and Iniquity that is the seething godless Gold Coast, for money or just for free, as good time girls that infest the Coast, occasionally working but more often just in it for iniquity and vice.

But the morons of lifesavers, assuming that the photos were for pornographic purposes, are the sort of mental idiots that date these women and expect to bed them each night, confiscated the evidence.

Wow! What a great lifesaving movement we have in Australia. No mouth to mouth from them please. Don’t know where their mouths have been when the beach closes at night. Put the resus mouthguards on the victim, please; not on the so called resuscitator.

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 27, 2008 6:27 PM

"Sure, there may well be some women on RSVP and elsewhere who are just out for sex, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule."
Posted by: pommysheila at March 27, 2008 3:31 PM

Aah pommysheila - that's where you'd be wrong actually ... well from my personal experience anyway.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 6:26 PM

Blueeyes,
behave yourself woman.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 6:23 PM

Karin,
You are fair, equitable, and if I could see your face I would say ? That all notwithstanding you have my utmost respect, for letting this topic go where it will. I promise in future I will be a good boy and follow the path of sweetness and light, (apart from con men, nongs, and those mentioned in my profile) Thank you Princess.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 6:20 PM

RE: There is no shortage of himagain clones groundhogday2 .We have Michael in Brisbane,Doug in Adelaide,Willow in Perth just to name a few from the blogs.The problem as I see it is that most women are attracted to the alpha males rather than the himagains but then are constantly disappointedly to find that said 'alphas' are very self centered and lacking the gentle and caring qualities of the himagains of this world .Perhaps you need to reassess what it is you are really looking for because contrary to popular belief you just CAN'T HAVE IT ALL

Thats ok except for two tiny errors. 1. Nobody in melbourne is mentioned above so how does that help me and 2. Did I say I was looking for the alfalfa type - I mean alpha type? I dont see anywhere that I said that so what are you saying????? I think your confusing me with someone else. PS Please Please Pretty Please himagain!

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 6:17 PM

Dodgeyroggey I make a prediction that you will remain lonely and just with your cat and dog to keep you company. They may make off too if they know what a terrible misoginist they are living with. Some lady has hurt you and not given you sex and now you are taking it out on all the ladies you come across. your ranting says so much more about you than it does about women.
Woddnwine bad things happen to good people evryday and it can take years even to recover from some things. I was not making light of genuine suffering. People need to seek help and counsel for tradgedies. I was talking of meeting maybe aplayer here and dating them. It is aprt of the game. The game of love. If played well like himagain the man and the woman will be the winner.
Trumanscat you spoke with great wisdom.
I said blogs were boring a few weeks ago and now I think they are very much more interesting. I think could well be that they are not instant any more. Good reading and much food for thought from what the men are saying. Think maybe that dodgey could have a point about what men really do think of woman who puts out a little too much:))

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 27, 2008 6:13 PM

Re post by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 4:44 PM.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaate, you may be right with Hymnagain (good nick by the way) collection method but as for the intentions of "Droolingrodger", you've been conned again.

Check the meaning of another "s" word, namely, "satire".

I suppose getting conned twice in 10 years isn't too bad.

Maybe it was worth it to be brownnosed by "Goodonyer" in the following post.

But as for our Virtuous Virgil gettin' conned yet again...emotions dear boy, control the emotions and think. Then one tends to think with the bigger head.

Posted by: justsaying at March 27, 2008 6:04 PM

Oldergent.

Nope, I have no cause. Just expressing my views, beliefs and my heart.

Definitely a Freudian slip. Apologies.

I have no issue with negative feedback, that's what I often, willingly, expose myself to. It's all part of the territory.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 5:53 PM

ABCkenny, sorry, meant to respond to your post of 2.23pm.. Well said... "G"

Bill, Thank you.. nice to be back doing it again, Just happens to be a day where I'm working from home so can sneak a quick peek in between clients.. Had forgotten how time consuming this is though.. Oh well... How's the toe????

Cheers... "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 27, 2008 5:34 PM

Am reposting this as only had one answer.
In an earlier blog someone suggested looking at the book "He's not that just into you" and so i googled it and read some excerpts. In the light of this blog topic, can we have some opinions then on the book in that he says that "men like the chase and a woman should wait to be chased. If he really is interested he will find you."Do you men get put off if a woman makes the advance , either in asking for a date or even sex?
Personally I would have thought a guy might be flattered if he was asked.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 27, 2008 5:17 PM

Oh to find a woman who didn't just wish to use me for sex......

Posted by: troyohboy at March 27, 2008 12:02 PM

I wonder why you would think that??? With a cute grin like you have? Good photo Troy.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 27, 2008 5:10 PM

Hi Dodgyrodger, you only have to give me your photo password to look at your photo on your profile. And then if I am not too shallow I might spend a stamp.That's the idea of sending kisses and then going from there.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 27, 2008 5:02 PM

Himagain @ 11.58am: Don't let all the praise go to your head, son.

Detected a small overdose of conceit in that one, which always sounds like a bum note when played amongst the sound of all your virtues. Spoils the chord, musically speaking - Omega and Alpha are different keys.

OG: You're in fine form today mate. Goodonyer.

G: nice to see you here doing it again.

Must go clock on again - dollars to earn. Seeyez.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 27, 2008 4:50 PM

Yee Gods and little fiishes, why do I hear alarm bells going off left, right and centre. At first thought I had to pay homage to a wordsmith, now I have great doubts about a magnet. I had a great con pulled on me once that made me struggle for 10 years. It has made me very sensitive to con's.

Now the Hymnagain (and I think I got that right straight off) is collecting all the snags, dodgie's and any other bandwagon jumpers to his cause that thinks it may benefit them to get women to believe them.

His post at 2.19 pm, second last paragraph, "these are the WOMEN you need and seek" Freudian slip, or " this is the woman you need to seek" if you are honest.

Then we have "Droolingrodger" agreeing with him with the classical line from Islam, it is always the womans fault for my dirty thoughts it is against the law to be a homosexual in Isamic law, ( wonder what Lawrence thought of that one, but probably enjoyed it anyway), but it is permissible to do anything to these promiscous western Whores. Without any punishment from the Mulah's "You only have to visit Australia briefly" etc, Thank your lucky stars you are in this county that you can say that, go over to any of the countries you name and issue such a contrary statement to their way of thinking and see how long will hold these ratbag ideas.

If Karin is fair she will let this post go to page.

To the "iron fillings" go back and have a thoughtfull look, as always you are responsible for your own sayings and deeds.

OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 4:44 PM

Ladies I'm selling seats for the rocket ship to Pluto..!!

Posted by: sunkissedqldr at March 27, 2008 4:40 PM

OMG.... LOL here.

Women are the culprits of the entire falling of the Western Civilisation.....!?!
Oh my goodness me, I haven't been able to stop laughing.

That's why the majority of the online porn industry is directed to the male market !?!
What tha?!
LOL.
Pity the poor little woman who shows the slightest interest in a sensual life with her "loving" partner.
Talk about "rationalization involves some huge judgmental and erroneous logical errors"

Still laughing.....

Posted by: trumanscat at March 27, 2008 4:36 PM

Boyd - the only downside in what you are talking about (because I have lived it all my life) is that we "plutonians", as you call us, do tend to get trodden on more than our fair share. And not having that tough alpha male persona, the getting over it can be harder. Look at what happened to Willow recently. Oh well, it just becomes part of the territory, I guess.

Woody

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 4:29 PM

abckenny 2.23pm - spot on mate, this is exactly what I was saying. Women want kind considerate men but are continually attracted by the "bad boy" alpha males then constantly disappointed when they are left cold after the fun is over.

himagain - thanks also for your words of support ... it sounds like you may have been reading the blogs for a while and finally seen fit to join us. Once again, welcome.

The point is, there are many nice men out there but as himagain said, we are different and many women don't trust us. They think we are putting on a front and will just let them down like the last guy did and the one before that. Why do we so often have to pay to other people's misadventures ... how many times have I come across this? Some of you reading this will know what I mean.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 4:22 PM

Dodgy, that was a bit over the top don't you think??? One could get into a real bum fight over this you know..
What about the guys who head off to the asian countries in droves to seek out the local females???? STD's a plenty have hitched a ride back into this country on the apendages of those concerned and many said infections passed onto women here (including unsuspecting partners). Have a very good friend who's husband did just that to her after a business trip to Thailand..
Let's just agree that it does work both ways ok???

Cheers... "G"
..

Posted by: amdoingit at March 27, 2008 4:21 PM

hey dodgy,

we dont know anything about you, except for your profile, which may well be a pack of lies and you are one of the recycled mysogenists that have formerly haunted this site, with the names richard cranium, alterscheiber, rsviper to name but a few.

If you are the genuine article, then we would all like to see your photo, so it needs to be displayed in your profile, and not hidden.

We have had several people here on the blogs with a woman hating agenda.

Several disgraced Australians like the former mufti, who likened women to pieces of meat, and it was OK to rape them because they wore revealing clothes.

This seems to be your viewpoint as well.

I believe in an egailitarian society, where people are valued for who they are, not a society that places one degree of worth on a man, and a different value on a woman.

Please explain exactly what in your opinion is proper dress for a man, and a woman, in this country?

Are we to take our values from moslems?
with female circumcision among their most heinous practices?

Australians have fought in Africa, The first World War, second World War, Vietnam, Afganistan and Iraq to safeguard our way of life, and have never been short of courage.

This courage entails defending our women from attack, whether from within, such as yourself, or from places you mention, Pakistan and Indonesia.

Posted by: virgil at March 27, 2008 4:20 PM

OG.. Thank you for your compliment... Most graciously accepted...

As for Marcus... you need to read between the lines.. I think he could well be a kitten (said as a compliment M Marquis ok) and that his roar is to ellicit the comebacks that he does indeed get.. Cleverly played methinks...A tad over the top at times but does manage to get all and sundry involved... Unless it's a direct attack and below the belt to boot then I don't take offence..

See Bob, it's the sweetness and light tac... Must be catchy!!!

As for a catfight... You wish but methinks not!!!! Decorum aplenty in us here... Well, I hope so anyway...

Cheers... " G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 27, 2008 4:13 PM

Is there ANY remote possibility that you could either come to live in Melbourne or clone yourself and start a colony of 'himagain' males.
There is no shortage of himagain clones groundhogday2 .We have Michael in Brisbane,Doug in Adelaide,Willow in Perth just to name a few from the blogs.The problem as I see it is that most women are attracted to the alpha males rather than the himagains but then are constantly disappointedly to find that said 'alphas' are very self centered and lacking the gentle and caring qualities of the himagains of this world .Perhaps you need to reassess what it is you are really looking for because contrary to popular belief you just CAN'T HAVE IT ALL

Posted by: abckenny at March 27, 2008 2:23 PM
Thank you abckenny, If I could just say that Willow is also from Adelaide.
Doug (virgil)

Posted by: virgil at March 27, 2008 3:54 PM

The more strident some of the men on here become, the more it becometh Crystal clear (and Billy is a man, remember, and obviously a very honest one) that they protesteth too much.

Sure, there may well be some women on RSVP and elsewhere who are just out for sex, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule. I don't have the stats at my fingertips, neither can I find them on google offhand, but I am prepared to bet that female callgirls outnumber straight male prostitutes in most countries by a very significant multiple. It's biology, instinct, call it what you will, and I'm not blaming men - they probably can't help it.

Yes, of course women can just say NO if they're not interested, but it's not always that simple. If you really like a man you have just met (or if you think you might get to really like him and decide you want to get to know him better), there is a fine line between thinking to yourself "I reckon you might be a pain in the bum but I'll let it go for now and see how things develop," and the finality of giving him the elbow.

Especially if you've waited three months because there was nobody else you even remotely liked enough to want to meet, and had been patiently building up a certain rapport - nascent relationship, if you like - with this man.

Decent men don't grow on trees in my age-group and you don't want to burn your bridges before you're absolutely certain this one is a no-go.

And as I said, the last such man I dated was clever at the outset with his use of euphemisms (cuddles, hugs etc), which - as some guys here have pointed out - might genuinely be the case, and it took a while for me to establish that this one was not genuine. (He was, in fact, a good old-fashioned player who turned out to be "auditioning" several of us at once, presumably to see which one came across first. I expect some women do that too but I am not one of them.)

Himagain, you wouldn't fancy moving east would you? :)

Posted by: pommysheila at March 27, 2008 3:31 PM

There seems to be a lot of people on here with indecent or low moral values.

Whatever happened to the New Morality?

Are people so steeped in a lost free love era of a bygone age that they have forgotten the AIDS epidemic and the expansion of STDs from 2 main strains to over 60.

Why do women in particular seem to rationalize their wayward conduct by saying that, if men are promiscuous, then they have permission to be as well.

That rationalization involves some huge judgmental and erroneous logical errors, has no proper epidemiological or scientific basis, and is insulting to many men who are trying to do the right thing in life.

It would appear that women have well and truly overtaken men in the promiscuity department, and might well become the cause or raison d’etre of the downfall of western civilization.

Take it as gospel that when strict Muslim civilizations attack western decadence, they are targeting the loose living, immoral, barely clothed, bed jumping, licentious white women of the species, NOT the men.

They only have to visit Australia briefly to witness such decadence and immorality.

They do not even have to visit. Merely logging on to a site like this from Pakistan, Indonesia etc, would be enough to convince them that their dogmas are pretty accurate.

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 27, 2008 3:13 PM

Bloggers.

Thanks so much for the warm welcome and your feedback. Good and bad, it's all healthy learning.

Nice to see a few more Plutonians on here.

Let's not be guided by the popular opinion. Let's not succumb to peer group pressure. Let's not be part of the flock. Let's be honest with ourselves and others. Let's share our thoughts and feelings with others, openly. Let's share and learn as much as possible. Let's not be afraid to be ourselves, to learn, to make mistakes, admit and accept our weaknesses, our faults and be human. Let's be the most, honest and beautiful person we can be; ourselves.

Be this person and you will attract people like you. You will attract the person that will make you happy for the rest of your life.

You will experience so much joy, happiness and contentment simply by being honest and true to yourself .

The best part? It's so much easier than trying to be someone else. As a bonus, your relationships will be more fulfilling and last longer because the person you're introducing is actually you; not the person you're making out to be. The real you, like all truths, will always surface at some point. Do yourself and your prospective partner a huge favour and be you, wonderful you, from the very beginning.

Cheers,

Boyd.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 2:51 PM

oohlala is right about himagain. He's got some great material, I've taken some notes and will try it out on the weekend. My opening line to date has been to ask the footy scores but this other stuff could work. Thanks mate.

Posted by: troyohboy at March 27, 2008 2:49 PM

G,Bloody good to see the fresh blood isn't it (not that I have been here a long time, just seems like it),

G there must be something about this Victorian weather that affects the men. Maybe you should relocate to where the men are a bit more warm blooded and appreciative of a good looking woman. But then with the Marcus on the prowl no wonder, why go outside when you could inadvertantely meet him, enough to chill the blood. I noticed with Hymn that he has given the two handed "V" must have been to China, all the younger ones do it over there, never could find out what it meant.

Now I hope you Ladies retain your decorum when you are fighting over him. I am sure the good Karina would not like the site to be degraded from its high standard by a cat fight and public "hissy spits", or otherwise nasty comments directed at our fair populace (blog wise that is)

Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 2:31 PM

"Life is all about chances and luck the good and the bad. Take your medicine and learn and grow from anything bad that happens to you. "
Posted by: oohlala1 at March 27, 2008 1:44 PM
A bit harsh don't you think? Some "bad" things are very hard to get over.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 2:27 PM

Is there ANY remote possibility that you could either come to live in Melbourne or clone yourself and start a colony of 'himagain' males.
There is no shortage of himagain clones groundhogday2 .We have Michael in Brisbane,Doug in Adelaide,Willow in Perth just to name a few from the blogs.The problem as I see it is that most women are attracted to the alpha males rather than the himagains but then are constantly disappointedly to find that said 'alphas' are very self centered and lacking the gentle and caring qualities of the himagains of this world .Perhaps you need to reassess what it is you are really looking for because contrary to popular belief you just CAN'T HAVE IT ALL

Posted by: abckenny at March 27, 2008 2:23 PM

Woody.

Thank you. If, at the very least, my comments encourage other men to think; fantastic!!

As for the women who question who you are; it's only natural. Men like us are few; or, at least, men who have the courage to expose this part of themselves are.

Because men like us are so rare, women will test you to be sure you're the real deal. They, initially, will find it difficult to trust in you. (If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.) Remain yourself, consistently, be honest and true to yourself and some women will have no choice but to consider that you may actually be genuine; and take a risk with you. Be patient and understand that it will take a little time to earn a womans trust.

Those women who shoot you down in flames are not the woman you need or want.

Those women who are prepared to listen, learn and consider that you may actually be genuine are emotionally intelligent. These are the women you need and seek.

It's not just women who have a hard time finding a good man. We actually seek all the same qualities women seek. Somehow this is, somewhat, overlooked.

Cheers.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 2:19 PM

Welcome himagain and also to all of you newbies.. This topic has certainly brought a lot of you in methinks. Looks like the old regulars are well and truly outnumbered now..
New blood is good.. Happy blogging and also good luck in your searches..

..."G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 27, 2008 2:04 PM

OG @ 10.18... Re your being assigned to scrap heap... Felt a bit like that for a while after my last birthday last year. From the day the age clicked over on profile it seemed that all and any activity ceased. Was quite bizarre actually. Took a little while to get used to non activity but once resigned to the fact that this is how it's to be things once again picked up.. Flows and ebbs like the tide but that's the nature of the beast.
Have seriously considered leaving the site but then I'd miss you lot on here and checking in on the blogs so will daly a little longer.
Some wonderful friendships have developed (off site now) with both males and females so I have no regrets.
For each of us there's someone but that doesn't mean we have to meet them on site.
I'm going back to my salsa classes starting next week and am going to take up belly dancing too. No guys there I know but may get to impress one with it one day. Had considered pole dancing till I was told I needed to wear heels and shorts. Ahhmm,.. One quick glance at the femme petites in class was enough to choose the belly dancing. Should be good...
Anyway... Hang in there Robert but just don't hold your breath ok...
Cheers.. "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 27, 2008 2:01 PM

Women and men know within minutes of meeting if they wish to copulate. Problems arise when they are not in agreeance.
Bloke may think woman is shaggable but woman may think 'not even if you're the last bloke on earth' and vice versa of course.
Sex is simple. Why complicate it?

Posted by: enrepres at March 27, 2008 1:57 PM

There are many wonderful people in this big beautiful world and then there are as many rotten ones who are just out for themselves. We come across them everyday in the real world and on internet dating sites. Goodness me that is what it is here. It is an iternet dating site and therefor has its fill of devious men and women who wil try to con you out of something. The internet is rife with this sort of behaviours. Why then are people then so surprised when they have been duped. Grow up. You can say no or cant you?
As I have said before do not have sex with a stranger and then you should be ok. If not then move on. Life is all about chances and luck the good and the bad. Take your medicine and learn and grow from anything bad that happens to you. Sometimes there is a silver lining.
If more men took the advice of himagain then they would have the wonderful lives with women that they just dream about. wish all men were from Pluto.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 27, 2008 1:44 PM

Marcus. Have you thought of changing to 'laughsandtalkswithoutengagingbrainandlovesownbulshit' It would suit u to a T ;)

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 1:24 PM

Mrs BlueEyes

You may have asked for my photo but you did not include an email address.

Being new to this site, I could not fathom how to attach a photo like one can to an email.

If you give me an email address, I will be only too happy to send you a few pics.

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 27, 2008 1:16 PM

troyboy - yes, finally some more decent men stepping forth to be heard.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 1:06 PM

Hey himagain ... well said and welcome to the blogs. Some us have been fighting an uphill battle to uphold the "possible" thought that there are actually some decent men on here. Not all men are the same .... but sadly many women do encourage the type of behavour they seem to so abbor ... shame really because it just keeps coming back to bight them .... time after time after time.

Woody

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 1:05 PM

WnW.
Mate I recall you saying you were going to sit this one out for a while, should have, it seems you have been shoved in a big box head first and had your bottom spanked and not only by the Ladies. It makes me glad I am such a sensitive (new age no less) soul. Maybe I should send you my "path to sweetness and light" sermon, it seems to work for me as I have not been flayed alive for a while now.

Marcus.
The use of the fly egg was the method that saved so many POW's lives in the prisoner of war camp in the tropics. I have also seen it used very successfully in the far west and Territory. Not a nice thought or sight but neither was the alternative. So live as long as Bill and learn.

TW you know how many times we have childed him, cajolled him, chastised him, yea, even praised him. All to no avail, so be like me, sit back and watch the no doubt epic battle to be, unfold. The good new kid on the block and and the old psycho bully, no Bill I am not going to field on this one the women and the snags would not get placed.
LOL (sorry raven)

Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 1:00 PM

Cripes!, now the blokes are turning on each other, come back oldergent we need to show some solidarity in front of these sheilas!!

Posted by: troyohboy at March 27, 2008 12:37 PM

To himagain. Is there ANY remote possibility that you could either come to live in Melbourne or clone yourself and start a colony of 'himagain' males. You are so far with it about females and sex and you know you are on the money when you receive such strong reactions from (allegedly) alpha males. Please Please Please clone yourself

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 12:27 PM

What is it with all these cynical women, have you met no decent men in your lives? Do you percieve all men as such single focused creatures, existing like drug addicts awaiting their next sex fix? Comments such as "women selling themselves too cheaply ie: for a meal and some flowers" is not only degrading to men but also to the women you suggest are selling themselves. I believe it is women who have moved the goal posts in the past 20 years. Oh to find a woman who didn't just wish to use me for sex......

Posted by: troyohboy at March 27, 2008 12:02 PM

Marcus.

Thanks for your comments. Pluto; a simple analogy. There is a huge difference between basic intelligence and emotional intelligence. You simply wont understand the later; ever. But that's okay. It places you in the higher percentile of males and this comes as no surprise.

As for "date bait" and "rescue mission"? A typical response derived from a complete lack of understanding. This is what I mean when I say I'm from Pluto. Your response to my post is typical of most men and a smaller percentage of women. When faced with such pure honesty and openness many people become suspicious and simply don't trust it. This is mainly due to the fact that most people are like sheep; educated to follow the mainstream and not encouraged, by society, to express any beliefs outside the norm as, if they do, they may be considered a freak. I love being a freak; a person not afraid to be, and express, myself and my beliefs; no matter how unpopular they may be.

As for the possibility of contributing to any psychological damage a woman may have, it's a simple fact. A fact that most men don't even consider. Have you never heard a woman express regret about sleeping with someone? The reasons for this regret are many and varied, however, are all psychological. This may come as a surprise to you, but, to most women, sex is far more than just sex; it means far more than most men will even attempt to understand. Men just like you; typical men.

It's natural for those who don't understand, or feel threatened, to attack.

Again, thanks for your comments. You have added a great deal of weight to my personal beliefs and, as many men do, added greater confirmation that being a Plutonian Freak, being exactly myself, is a wonderful thing; something I'm exceedingly proud to be.

I sincerely hope that, one day, some of this will make sense to you. Sadly, as with the larger percentage of men, it never will.

Cheers.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 11:58 AM

rules or rulers?

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 11:56 AM

Himagain @ 2.29am: Welcome to you and to your excellent authentic homegrown values, most of which I share, so I too have also been suspected of playing for the other team.

And be very proud when Marcus starts talking about your fly - he is always disturbed and unsettled by men's really excellent posts, and goes all iconoclastic. Can't help himself - you always get that in an alpha male defending his turf(s) - in Marcus's case, the ones between his ears AND his hip joints, respectively.

MS yourself: re the medical use of fly larvae: my Dad got an eyeball badly ripped in 1938 and while trying unsuccessfully to save it for cosmetic reasons, when it got infected they tried that treatment.

Must get back and finish and fax last night's final ground-to-a-halt price quotation, now that a bit of sleep and some enjoyable reading and writing has got my sawdust back up to speed. Seeyez, and hi Robert.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 27, 2008 11:46 AM

WnW... Aha! So it WAS your intention (and your fault) to .....oh never mind - sarcasm just adds to the already overwhelming confusion about the rules of dating as - lets face it - everyone has their own set of rules and most people keep their rules hidden in their pants

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 11:19 AM

"WnW that was a lovely reply til u got to the last bit. My 4 year old nephew says 'not my fault' it was him - he made me do it....."

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 9:40 AM

groundhog ... no one made me do anything, I was just saying it's not really my fault if I was misunderstood. I thought what I said was clear ... if not I'm happy to keep explaining.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 11:00 AM

"WnW - Im still not clear. If you enjoy giving those things for the reasons you say - then why DID you suggest that men stop spending your money on the dinners, flowers and chocolate?"

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 9:49 AM
groundhog ... I was simply responding to all the somewhat derogatory posts from women assuming that all men are just after sex and suggesting we (men) turn the tables. Remember, it's often the woman who wants instant sex ... believe me.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 10:58 AM

G @11.45 pm.
As usual you are spot on with your post, only stopped smiling on a couple of occasions. I does put a dampener on one in being consigned to the scrap heap at a young and tender age such as mine.

Marcus, @ 7.04 am
You are incorrigible, that is no welcome to give a new bloke on the block, another one wandering around bumping into things while constantly checking to see if his fly is open.

Hymnagain,
Now that was one good piece of wordsmithing. At the risk of earning the wrath of every woman on the site I would say that it is just as well I am a bloke, it would have sucked me in otherwise. I jest a bit, but maybe it struck home at a few of us men too. but you can run afoul of a lot of bloggers for insisting on being you, especially if you offend their sensibilities. The trouble you will find with a long post is that it gives the "sniper's and nit-pickers" more chance to take you out of context or select the parts they want to pull you to pieces on. Now I hope you have checked you fly is really up, Marcus is pretty strict on checking that.

Now this is Robert signing off not the other old 72 with the dicky toe.
Cheers OG.
ps Strike me lucky Bill I was starting to worry that the sheep dip hadn't worked, seeing I hadn't heard from you for so long. Glad to see you are back.

Posted by: oldergent at March 27, 2008 10:18 AM

In Ally McBeal, the 3rd date was it.

This used to also be my reality.

As I have gotten older? friendships are more to the fore, romantic dates seem to be in the past, well currently anyway, I think the woman chooses the time, cause to most blokes, me included, anytime is the right time.

Although sex and love seem to me to be covered by the saying choose in haste, regret at leisure.

Posted by: virgil at March 27, 2008 10:17 AM

Where has the jolly ? roger gone?

back to naughty fish?

alterscheiber or viper?

What will be the nature of the next reincarnation?

Watch this space, I can hardly wait.

Hmmm wasnt his first post timestamped around 4.30am? probably just got home from a knock back on his first date.

Posted by: virgil at March 27, 2008 10:00 AM

WnW - Im still not clear. If you enjoy giving those things for the reasons you say - then why DID you suggest that men stop spending your money on the dinners, flowers and chocolate?

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 9:49 AM

Hi Virgil. I didnt misunderstand but I didnt have a response button that was suitable. I do thank you for your rally though.

WnW that was a lovely reply til u got to the last bit. My 4 year old nephew says 'not my fault' it was him - he made me do it.....

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 9:40 AM

So many people going on about age ... people can be vital, fit, energetic, sexy, healthy at most ages.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 9:24 AM

"Re WnW 11.40 said:I'd like to rally the men together and say we should hold out our sexual favours until women show us they can be trusted and are actually interested in a long term relationship (as many of us are). Let's stop spending money on the dinners, flowers, chocolates.

Here here. Im all in favour of that. But then that begs a new question. Are you spending money on dinners flowers and chocolates for sex. Im shocked! Surely you are doing it because you thoroughly enjoy the company or just know that giving gifts is as much a pleasure as receiving them. Still, Im all in favour of you men holding out. Its embarrassing when grown men actually Beg for something that should occur as a result of congruent generosity by BOTH parties involved."

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 7:58 AM

OK, that quote was clipped but ....
Sorry to disappoint you but no, I don't do things "in the hope of getting sex" .... I do them because I enjoy a woman's company, because I want to and because I enjoy making others happy. If this is misunderstood then sorry, that's not my intention or my fault.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 9:18 AM

Groudhog day
I feel you misinterpreted the kiss I sent yesterday, although my comment in the blog said it was a congratulatory kiss because I liked your attitude and what you posted. I was not looking for romantic realtionship.

Posted by: virgil at March 27, 2008 9:15 AM

himagain .... well said, nice to know there are some other men out there that feel the same way. Good luck to you mate.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 27, 2008 9:04 AM

Agree with you all – women over 50 rule! I’m a much better person now (in all ways, including sexually and physically) than I ever was at 30. Matured wine. And hey, I don’t really want to be a “handbag”, so those guys looking for one, that’s cool, they don’t suit me (consider it afore-mentioned tick box ;) I’m looking for something a bit more equal myself, as I imagine a lot of us might be :)

Lurker, thanks for your email, but I don’t do “little red riding hood” – prefer the alternative version (have you ever read Angela Carter?). And I never trust a hairy gran, no matter what nightgown she’s in! As for your kind thoughts of sending my profile to all my friends (“when they should be working LOL”), now I understand why everyone on the Blogs has their profile hidden or changes names regularly!
The bit about “searching for friendship (platonic) leading to marriage” is humorous, I must admit. But I agree that pests (ooops – sorry – typo!) I mean pets should be kept outside, not let in.
Love and peace ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 27, 2008 8:23 AM

Im sure the saying is that you have to 'Kiss a lot of frogs before you meet your handsome prince - there was nothing in there about shagging !!!

Im sure Doggie Roggie is fake but just in case he isnt....love his opinion on the ''holier than the rest of us'' US senator who just resigned after being exposed for spending $80,000 on prostitutes. And lets look back - he was not the first. Whatdoya think Doggie?

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 8:17 AM

Hmm this has quite amused me actually by some of the wording used in original question.
If you just want sex, then why wait. But your wasting your time and others on this site.If you want more than just sex then does it matter when you first sleep with partner. I slept with a man on first date and we went out for 2.5 yrs. It didnt work out but had nothing to do with sex on first date.
Now heres the amusing bit the use of the word promiscuous??? Why does wanting a natual function make you promiscuous????.
The whole question doesnt tie in to me. If you have sex on the first date it hardly makes you promiscuous,whether your male or female. And who has the right to sit in judgement and call any one any names???.
Remember lads if shes having sex etc on first date then so are YOU. So it goes both ways.
And as for medical certificate ,well i had a man show me a certificate once and i burst out laughing. To have a man walk in and produce a medical certificate makes me want to say goodbye straight away. And forgive me but isnt that why condoms are available????????
Cheers and you know what, your dammed if you do ,your dammed if you dont, so enjoy life the good ,the bad and the ugly oxoxo

Posted by: qadesh at March 27, 2008 8:12 AM

Hmm this has quite amused me actually by some of the wording used in original question.
If you just want sex, then why wait. But your wasting your time and others on this site.If you want more than just sex then does it matter when you first sleep with partner. I slept with a man on first date and we went out for 2.5 yrs. It didnt work out but had nothing to do with sex on first date.
Now heres the amusing bit the use of the word promiscuous??? Why does wanting a natual function make you promiscuous????.
The whole question doesnt tie in to me. If you have sex on the first date it hardly makes you promiscuous,whether your male or female. And who has the right to sit in judgement and call any one any names???.
Remember lads if shes having sex etc on first date then so are YOU. So it goes both ways.
And as for medical certificate ,well i had a man show me a certificate once and i burst out laughing. To have a man walk in and produce a medical certificate makes me want to say goodbye straight away. And forgive me but isnt that why condoms are available????????
Cheers and you know what you dammed if you do ,your dammed if you dont, so enjoy life the good ,the bad and the ugly oxoxo

Posted by: qadesh at March 27, 2008 8:10 AM

Re WnW 11.40 said:I'd like to rally the men together and say we should hold out our sexual favours until women show us they can be trusted and are actually interested in a long term relationship (as many of us are). Let's stop spending money on the dinners, flowers, chocolates.

Here here. Im all in favour of that. But then that begs a new question. Are you spending money on dinners flowers and chocolates for sex. Im shocked! Surely you are doing it because you thoroughly enjoy the company or just know that giving gifts is as much a pleasure as receiving them. Still, Im all in favour of you men holding out. Its embarrassing when grown men actually Beg for something that should occur as a result of congruent generosity by BOTH parties involved.

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 27, 2008 7:58 AM

nope...didn't work, Have a lovely day all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 27, 2008 7:58 AM

can we post in real time now...lets see???????

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 27, 2008 7:56 AM

There is a simple 2 letter word you can say which is not offensive and straight to the point if you don't want sex.Whether it be too early in the relationship or not sure if you are the right person you only have to say "No". Go with your gut feelings and if you have to sit there and analyse it each time, then it ain't time.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 27, 2008 7:48 AM

Dodgy, tell the truth. You got a knock-back last night didn't you?

Posted by: shedaredme at March 27, 2008 7:44 AM

Warped.
A few years ago at The Field Naturalists Club of Vic. a young lady forensic entomologist gave a very interesting talk on establishing time of death in police murder investigations.
The Brown blowfly and its larvae plays an important role in this.
These days they even examine the maggots and can tell if a victim was shot by the gunpowder trace elements in the pupae case.
If you are interested there is a terrific short uUtube vid. on medical maggots. Blowies again, they only eat dead flesh and their saliva is strongly antibacterial; hence their wound cleaning abilities.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 27, 2008 7:16 AM

himagain 2:29 am
Welcome to Earth where most of us live. I'm sorry to tell you that during your journey Pluto was officially removed from the list of planets. It is now an asteroid. Mars possibly supported life and Venus is totally uninhabitable. To be plutoed now means to be scrubbed.
Following your second last paragraph.
Mate. I think your fly is down.
When was consensual sex deemed to be psychologically damaging to women and what might be your qualification and responsibility to diagnose it?
Each to his own but you read like a bloke running around on a rescue mission and is using a twisted reverse psychology as date bait.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 27, 2008 7:04 AM

Himagain....wow.....what a shame you are in Perth!!! Did they break the mould when they made you? How nice to see a man who is both "with it" and articulate.....you just restored some of my faith....and so early in the morning too! (Nice pics by the way....had to have a peek to see just WHO came up with that one! )

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 27, 2008 7:00 AM

I used to put out on the first date when I was young and had about as much conifdence as Britney Spears when she was going through her divorce with K-Fed. But I'm in no way saying that if you do it on the first date then you have no self esteem, just talking from my own experience of my reasons behind doing it too soon too quick.

I've always leant towards dating older men. I stupidly assumed the older the man then the more respectable he would be and more open to a relationship and not a fling which I'm really not into. I've actually found this hasn't worked out to my favour as it turns out most of the older men I've ended up with were just wanting a nice young thing to help ease their ageing insecurities.

I think the worst thing any woman can do is tell a guy that she doesn't like to have sex early or too soon, this seems to make alot of men want to sleep with you even more as you are then perceived as a challenge. And no I don't think all men are like this, just most haha.

I started to develop better relationships when I waited longer to have sex and I do agree the right men will wait if they enjoy your company enough. I have to say if I go on an incredible date and then have the guy try and sleep with me by the end of the night, it's a huge turn off for me and a pretty likely way of getting me to never see him again. A little respect goes a long way.

Any guy who bothers to make the effort to get to know me knows if I'm wanting it then I will simply make the move to get it, so if he doesn't then he makes a good impression on me and I'm more likely to pounce him later on down the track when I can see he isn't just a hungry animal ready to pounce on some fresh meat.

Happy dating!

:)

Posted by: leelee1983 at March 27, 2008 4:23 AM

WnW @ 11.40pm: I second the motion. Let's evolve past the idea that only men want it, so women can use the power that this gives them, to ration it and trade it for whatever they want:

"A girl with brains would look for gains -
She'd trade her thing for a golden ring
from a man on a good rate of pay."
(from my poem "Maiden Voyage" in my first book)

50,000 years ago thashe wanted meat to eat, and equally important, protection from rape by every other man who happened to wander past.

The frankish emperor Charlemaine (spell?) in the Middle Ages was the first lawmaker ever to suggest that it was just not on to force your attentions on any female who wasn't locked safely away in her house by dark.

RSVP covers a wide age range - teens up to old girls and geezers my age. But the bloggers are nearly all mid-30s and up - ie. recycled singles, rather than first-timers.

So let's just talk about us. A few of us are only here for an orgy of simultaneous fenfriendships - or penenemyships.

The rest of us (both sexes) are looking for physical timesharing- a friend and/or a lover. Or a couple of dozen in quick succession (players?) or simultaneously. (sluts?)

I look at the profile. If it says short term rel, I assume she's looking for sex with the right person, as soon as we both feel ready, and for as long as we both keep enjoying it.

Long term rel the same, but with an initial intention to have sex only with someone you hope will become and stay as your permanent partner. Till someone changes her mind and wants out, after 2 years or 20.

And yes girls - the mature woman can have a lot to offer. I had my best beddings ever with a woman who was 70 at the time.

But at this moment I've been up for 41 hours and I just want to sleep. Undisturbed. Night night.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 27, 2008 2:54 AM

Yup, it's a personal thing.

Me, I'm not from Mars or Venus, rather stuck in the middle; Pluto.

I'm in touch with my feminine side and often thought to be gay, yet I'm as straight as your average mans, man. I simply don't need to prove anything to anyone and I love being me.

I have never made the first move in the sex department. Whilst there may be some deep psychological reason behind this, dating back to my childhood, I simply need confirmation that it's what she really wants and, in no way, feels obligated.

In addition, I must feel something more for her than just feeling horny.

To make a conscious decision about when to have sex is all a bit too mechanical for me. For me, its about feelings; it must feel right for both of us. Needless to say, I don't have a great deal of sex; but the sex I do have is filled with feelings and emotion which , for me, takes sex to a whole different level.
When I have sex I become consumed by it; it takes over; kind of like being possessed by it.

Yup, some of you may say, "Grow some balls", "Be a man", "Take charge" and the like; all the things I usually expect from people. That's okay; I'm used to such reactions, yet I'll never be anyone but myself and never live my life for the sake of others and their expectations of what a man should be. I am a man, a man that I'm so very proud to be.

This is just one mans opinion; this man; me.
It doesn't need to be popular, or anything else for that matter, just honest, my honesty.

I have no issue with any person who likes to engage in casual sex on a regular, semi-regular or any other basis. I have no issue with men, or women, who like to shag on the first date or within the first hours of meeting. What I do have an issue with is any person who engages in anything for the sake of, or to impress, others rather than please themselves.

Men who don't give a damn and are prepared to shag for the sake of shagging could be contributing to any number psychological issues that the female may have, which may have contributed to them being an "easy lay". On the flip side; maybe she simply loves sex. Either way, many men simply don't care. I do care. I simply can't place myself in such a position; a position which could actually be considered some form of abuse.

You are you, I am me. There is nothing wrong with either of us. We're simply different. And that's what makes the world such a fantastic, wonderful and beautiful place; people.

Posted by: himagain at March 27, 2008 2:29 AM

Karina thank you so much for leaving this blog running, because it's really flying.

Just looking now about midnight, after working most of the time for 40 hours straight (no sleep Tues night) and it's so good it's woken me up again.

Such excellent stuff from the old hands (and my money's still on herinperth for the most improved performance, since she stopped rousing from pulpit, and started playng in sandpit.)

And so many new names suddenly joining in! So good to have all those other viewpoints - and some excellent profiles. (Must look at mine again sometime and make it a bit less stodgy.)

I wonder - is it the really relevant/significant blog title attracting the newbies, or is it that they feel safe to put their hand up, now that there are no Vipers around to pick on them?

Wee warrr wee warr we warr! CCTV alert!

I spoke too soon. Miscreant sighted! Identification in process ....

Are Virgil and Co correct? Is it the security guard just back from Sunbury to save us from sin? A flipflapping fishoutofwater?

Or is it the photoman, self-promoted to an unparalled authoritan position standing at the right toenail of Allah, all the better to peddle his usual unrelieved misogyny?

Just venom replaced with righteous indignation? What do you reckon, friends?

signed The authentic right-toenail-less OG72 ie. Bill not Robert.

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 27, 2008 1:44 AM

YAY!!!! I've been posted immediately - thank you RSVP :-)

Posted by: victoriadownunder at March 27, 2008 12:40 AM

For crying out loud!!!!!

I was given very sage advice 25 years ago... "If it feels good, do it" Ipso facto, listen to your heart OR your gut....this isn't rocket science, it's personal choice!!!

BTW, I'm very glad I didn't attend Dodgy's Sunday School... I much prefer my learning that Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt rather than the vitriolic opinions spewed forth by our dubious correspondent.

Posted by: victoriadownunder at March 27, 2008 12:37 AM

graceandwit @ 11:02
I have a pair of Explorer socks in my jocks and I hold my tummy in...

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 27, 2008 12:18 AM

lonleyheart44 - RSVP is cheaper for the guys that use it for sex, than going to a brothel would be!! All they have to do here is put up a free profile , send out lots of kisses, if they get lucky, they will get emailed, so that cost them nothing. OR they have to actually pay to send out emails, at less than $10.00 each, plus then maybe paying for coffee and cake...what a bargain!!!
NOW I know that not all guys are like this, but I have met enough that have wanted sex at the first date, Oh sorry....if we met and had lunch, then met again that night for dinner, that would be the second date, so I would stay the night at his motel...wouldn't I????.hmmm not.

Graceandwit, you go girl. Women in there 40's and 50's are fabulous, sexy and gorgeous, and of course, like men, DO want fantastic sex. And there is nothing wrong with wanting that sex with the one partner in a committed, genuine relationship. Yes, the people here are the survivors, the ones that will take the risks....and if the right man comes along and appreciates us, we will say Yes!!!

It is late, time to get of the soapbox, so nite all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 27, 2008 12:13 AM

and before the screamers start screaming, I am naturally curious by nature. I did peek and there are a lot of men on the site and one poor sad looking woman and is she having a great time.......I think not.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 27, 2008 12:04 AM

Back to the top at hand - Sooner or later. There are quite a few guys on RSVP looking for meaningful long term relationships who are also on a well known sex site asking for group sex, oral sex etc. Now I for one would find it a little embarrassing to introduce a person to my friends whose face is appearing on a sex site. Would feel a little awkward. Also not sure how that would work for him as he may forget which one is which. So yes, male and female get to know the person first you may find there is a lot more going for you than a quick bonk and could spoil a great friendship.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 27, 2008 12:03 AM

Hello dodgyroger AKA Reverend Fire & Brimstone,
I notice you started off well, putting both men and women into 'Satan's Sin Bin' for their "avante garde promiscuous adulterous" ways but then you once again, began deviating into the patriarchal, lecturing the women on this site about their "loose morals".
Holy welts, sores and maggoty rashes Rev! Why do you insist that it is only women who have "loose morals"? What about all the men "too busy hopping in for their chop" (such a nice expression!) who are it appears, busily bad-mouthing the very women who they themselves, are behaving promiscuously with? Won't they too, eventually demonstrate the "down side to promiscuity including infidelity of the mind, constant bed hopping and a contempt for your partner" if they continue on in their own decadent ways?

That is of course, assuming anyone will have the time to actually get a partner to treat with contempt, or be a partner treated contemptuously, if everyone is busy either being a chop or "hopping in for their chop" (gosh what a lot of meat! Any chance you've been chatting with another man of religion recently?)
I thought Lot's wife had a less painful demise than rotting "with welts, sores and maggoty rashes"? I thought she was simply turned into a pillar of salt, which come to think of it, would have been quite useful back in those pre-antibiotic days to bathe the "venereal pillar of rotten maggot ridden sexual organs" that would have eventually dropped off from disease. While not curing the disease, a salty brine may well have given those pesky maggots a run for their money!

Your reference to Aretha and her anthem was interesting. It was a pretty sad society those few short decades ago, when women like Aretha could only sing about respect, while white middle-class men just expected and got respect, no matter how abusive, irresponsible or promiscuous they themselves were!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 26, 2008 11:58 PM

OG @ 10.18pm.. You should never have stopped smiling should you??? Why did you anyway???? It always depends on the person and doesn't necessarily depend on the age. There are men and women who are "old" before their time and others who just keep on truckin!!! Comment was made because "most" men, as they age, do want women considerably younger, hence the handbag comment, and it is frustrating... It's all been done to death in an earlier blog anyway but it is a pain in the old proverbial. Maybe some of you men have a similar problem but I don't feel like trawling through heaps of female profiles to prove a point. Just think that from the few I have seen I'm convinced it's more the men who want younger belle's than the vice versa.
Back to the peace and light you ok.. Om, etc,... "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 26, 2008 11:54 PM

In response to lonelyheart44 ...

What's this about men who are given sex? Since when is sex a gift? I thought it was supposed to be something both people enjoyed and participated in equally.

I'd like to rally the men together and say we should hold out our sexual favours until women show us they can be trusted and are actually interested in a long term relationship (as many of us are). Let's stop spending money on the dinners, flowers, chocolates, fuel etc then giving up sex after only a couple of dates only to be dumped because the women changed their mind or because they thought we might be like the last bloke they went out with.

Let's hold out until we are bloody well good and ready. and we are sure she is really worth it. I think the men need to start standing up for their rights after hearing all this one-sided critique of men.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 11:40 PM

When should I have sex? My answer is Show me the Man. Really!!!

Posted by: graceandwit at March 26, 2008 11:02 PM

Ditto graceandwit, however in a longterm monogamous relationship or I probably would not bother.

Enjoy blogging here fellow bloggers. Uni study beckons so its back to reading only, unless i feel compelled to post on a weekend. It is very different having the posting not in real time. Nice to see some new bloggers. Am going to try some other writing, mainly for my own amusement. Cheers and you do not know what serendipitous event could be around the corner (i.e. some of you could meet your partner or whatever form of relationship you are seeking) and I wish you all well.

slightsynch

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at March 26, 2008 11:33 PM

"My feeling is that Billy Crystal was right when he said a woman needs a reason to have sex, a man just needs a place. Somewhat crude perhaps but none the generally untruer for that.

Posted by: pommysheila at March 26, 2008 9:34 PM"

Talk about tarring all men with the same brush! People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones I say ... meaning women not pommysheila. Come on women ... what makes you holyer than thou and all us men rubbish? Many women are just as bad or worse than what you are accusing men of being.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 11:25 PM

I hope other people are finding this interesting and more people are actually voicing their opinions. I know older guys like to be seen with something flashy on their arm, but do they really want that long term and don't they also want companionship laughter and spontaneous communication sharing and love. Think about it guys, we can all get lipo and boob jobs but is that the answer ?

Posted by: iaminperth at March 26, 2008 11:20 PM

Hey Marcus, Love to hear your views. Certainly exploitation is not exclusive to women. The exploitation of males is rife at the moment with women justifying their behaviour with 'well they've screwed us all these years'. I don't believe this to be true, we all have a certain control over our destiny and there is always a stronger and a weaker. Predatory behaviour for gain by either sex is unnacceptable but unfortunately at the moment it seems to be the accepted norm. Take no notice of Dodgy Roggie, he's just a bored wally.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 26, 2008 11:18 PM

Laughsandtalks says “media driven dumbing down and commoditisation of females” which is true, but we play along by remaining silent when we know what is portrayed is not true.

Women and men swallow the myth that women over 50 don’t like sex. We hear old wives tales about drab marriages where there’s not much happening, and those couples either remain silent or split. Here on rsvp we have the survivors, the people who take risks and say Yes!!!

If we beautiful, scrumtious, sexy women don’t debunk the myths by acknowledging and promoting how fabulous and sexy we are, men and women are cut short. Gorgeous women go without a sexual relationship and interesting men are forced to use their wealth, flash cars and ?big fish? to hook up with younger women, and then suffer the anxiety of holding in their stomachs…. Or whatever it is you do… come on guys, fess up.

If the sexual revolution did anything, it made good sex accessible to everyone. We women over 50 want sex in a relationship as much as anyone, and we are good at it. Men say their Ideal Partner is someone who feels good about herself but they get scared when they worry about an old wives tale. And fear is the biggest inhibitor, on rsvp and everywhere.

Sorry my profile is hidden, but I am just so over the All Night Riders that this post will attract. As for the question When should I have sex? My answer is Show me the Man. Really!!!

Posted by: graceandwit at March 26, 2008 11:02 PM

Dodgy....I see with the new profile name comes a holier than thou attitude....did you get two for the price of one????

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 26, 2008 10:40 PM

Sex should we have it sooner or later? LATER of course! Men who are given sex before any girl knows for sure if they are compatable or even if he wants a serious relationship like girl style is just selling herself short to a guy who is a cheap skate. If any guy wants sex with a girl and ends up treating her like she is only for sex, then why dont they just go to a prostitute parlor and pay for it instead of ripping a girl off by giving her nothing for her giving up herself for NOTHING. Guys are the worst for this, they can rip a girl off leave her with nothing and, yes he saved a few dollars and made the girl real cheap. Leave the sex till a lot later, make him wait, make him earn it, make yourself worth more than he will make you if you give it up to early. Best to wait and be sure your worth it, and biggest of them all, make sure he's worth it.
Gosh, all the girls that have given it up to a guy too early would be very rich girls by now if they had made those guys pay for it. TOO QUICK, TOO MANY.

Posted by: lonelyheart44 at March 26, 2008 10:31 PM

Sounds familiar...

Posted by: kismetique at March 26, 2008 10:19 PM

amdoingit.@ 8.37
You 50 something ladies have already said the the oldergents are to old for you, is that a typo, have you changed your minds, can I start smiling again. LOL
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 26, 2008 10:18 PM

OK, I think we all now realise dodgy roger is sitting at his computer, typing one handed and giggling over his own perceived cleverness...good grief!!!

Posted by: troyohboy at March 26, 2008 10:15 PM

Just catching up but can't let the Dodgy one get away with a biblical inaccuracy. What happend to Lot's wife comes out of my salt shaker, bloody glad I don't have to use what comes out of yours. But then it probably explains why you are as you are.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 26, 2008 10:12 PM

Trust your judgement.. make your own call. If it feels right - go ahead....if it doesn't feel right - don't do it.

However a good man friend of mine suggested for a woman to be taken seriously then they shouldn't sleep with the guy on the first date. This would then determine whether he is really interested in her for her.. and not just for her body.

I think people are smart enough to know whether the date is about sex or whether it is an actual date.

Posted by: bubblesme at March 26, 2008 10:01 PM

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 26, 2008 8:57 PM
Dodgy......(Yes!!).... Crikey Moses and Abraham....What the......?

Posted by: secretary1 at March 26, 2008 10:00 PM

Karina maybe you should run your topics past rightfuldodgem before putting them out there for us all to comment on.......you know, so what we say won't offend the oh so high moral ground that we females seem to breach whenever we give an opinion...................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 26, 2008 9:58 PM

Karina
This however does bring a relevant point, that we had our instant posting taken away, and we want it back.
I feel that there should be a verification system, that is available to the bloggers. Such that each person authorised to use the blogs be able to be checked back by use of the persons real email address, and that if a blogger wants to change their name, all other names authorised for this person be displayed behind their current name.

For example the most recent richardcranium, followed by alterscheiber, rs viper, and all others.

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 9:53 PM

exclusivelisting
Ayn Rand- interesting comments. I like her for her carefully rationalised rejection of religion being counter logical.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 9:44 PM

either a comedian or someone once said - have sex on the first date, it get's all the akwedness out.

men will be thinking about size, women will be thinking - does this guy know how.

everyone has had sex in their adult life and it's part of life. damn, had a point and lost it be back later. not everyone is perfect and when do get around to it - some naive people will think, omg is this worth it. still half a point missing but I gather 26.3% will get it.

Posted by: anotherclint at March 26, 2008 9:40 PM

I'm very proud to be an Australian and I'll be staying a sheila, by the way ... and if my handle really does attract the wrong type of man, well, so be it!

Posted by: pommysheila at March 26, 2008 9:37 PM

laughsandtalks, you may well be right in a general sense about "social taboos" and attitudes. Others may well feel that way. For myself, I had a child at 22 without being married, and didn't give a toss for social taboos or what anybody else thought about it and find it peculiar that anybody does really. My daughter turned into a far more balanced and happier person than I was at her age, coming from a married union.

Posted by: malsie at March 26, 2008 9:35 PM

iaminperth.
Nice little tirade against the trash mags.
I get annoyed at the pedophilic images of barely pubescent young models also being pedalled by women editors (and male publishers)
I think you need to look broadly at the 'victims' of pornography. The victims are also men, sometimes overwhelmingly. Vulnerable men are always the exploited consumers here. They are often old, socially inept, or for what ever reason find partnering difficult. A particular type of exploitative predation takes place on these blokes that many women knowingly make a lot of money from.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 9:35 PM

Lynath, I love you (platonically, obviously, as I don't bat for the Sapphists), you are a hoot. No, that is not related to your hooters, or mine, or even Marcus's ;-)

I may be a Virgo but this is a very old T-shirt. I enjoy sex as much as the next woman and have many years of experience to share when the time is right, but that will not be in the first five minutes, or even five days. My feeling is that Billy Crystal was right when he said a woman needs a reason to have sex, a man just needs a place. Somewhat crude perhaps but none the generally untruer for that.

Great topic, Karina - surely the one that's been most successful in keeping the bloggers on topic!

Stodgyrodgerer - deffo a reincarnation.

Posted by: pommysheila at March 26, 2008 9:34 PM

ahh you naughty fish, you are not going to get me again.

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 9:33 PM

HA HA HA....haven't heard Aretha quoted quite like that before....and by a zealot as well........quite funny really.......next we will have Jim and Tammy Faye begging for money on behalf of their Praise the Lord ministry..........yeee hah...............K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 26, 2008 9:30 PM

Amdoingit.
Onya girl!
I've been telling fellas for the last 30 odd years what you are empahsisng about 50 something women.
All started when a mates late 40's mum took an interest in me..
Now it is called Granny Grabbing if you are under about 30 and a recognised contact sport.
Iaminperth is this one of the intended consequences of women's lib?
Cheers Marquis

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 9:25 PM

Ok dodgy roger, I sent you a kiss and asked for your photo. You sent me a kiss back with no photo. I guess that means that you have a fake profile. I am giggling at what you wrote on your profile.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 26, 2008 9:22 PM

watch out OG dodgy is talking about maggoty sores, keep an eye on that toe of yours, lol

Posted by: iaminperth at March 26, 2008 9:21 PM

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 26, 2008

Dude have a BAT you will feel better
Is your life that screwed? I hope not, for your sake.

Posted by: subzeroelite at March 26, 2008 9:20 PM

Let me know if I have got this down right or not.

In summary, the girls here think that sex is just great so long as the guy is going to stick around and not just be in it for kicks. Be it the first date or even after 3 months, the whole issue is all about whether the guy will stick around.

If the guy does an impersonation of a koala, then the girl gets emotionally hurt by this behavior. Feelings of being used, abused and taken for granted are felt.

Hence it would seem that a lot of a girl's time must be taken up in trying to evaluate whether the guy is genuine (a stayer) or not (a player). Equally so, a guy must spend a lot of time trying to convince the girl that he is the real deal.

The main problem seems to be that the majority of guys are pretty good at koala impersonations and also pretty good at spinning a few stories (let's face it their sex lives largely depend on it).

And so the game continues. The players telling tall tales, the stayers tarred with the same brush and the girls trying their best to work out who is who or just simply hold onto a guy that they really like.

And we thought that we were complicated humans eh?

Posted by: boyfriendmaterial at March 26, 2008 9:18 PM

dodgyroger, many women and men on RSVP and in greater society have been married for years and are now single again for many different reasons. They are older but still fit and sexual. They maybe don't want to get married again but would like a close relationship and for it to be sexual too. Are you saying that these sorts of partnerships on equal footing are contemptible. I do not agree. For a young man you have very old fashioned view of world. I don't think most men look at women with lusty appetite as being contemptible. I think that is just you and your waprped upbringing. You sound like an escapee from some sort of religious cult. Many marriages are sexless too. They are not sacred. People abuse each other within marriages each day and are not worthy of RESPECT. If two people do respect each other and want to have asexual time who are you to judge.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 26, 2008 9:18 PM

Kismetique 6:24.
Women march to the sound of a different drum because they choose to. They choose to in the sense that evolutionary imperatives associated with the irresponsibility/social expense of single motherhood translate into strong taboos and social concerns. A few decades of (male organised) fertility control do not change hardwiring and societal mindsets.
You can easily buck some peoples ideas of social convention and take the measures required to control your independance- and I'm for it but the deeply held feeling that this isn't quite right behaviourally, persists.

Iampert. Dont forget to include men in your discussions. Without sympathetic males acknowledging womens aspirations the things you mention were impossible.
As to girls worrying about men only wanting them for sex I see that as a consequence of the media driven dumbing down and commoditisation of females and the ensuing confusion many young men experience trying to reconcile old style but not strident feminism with the current pussy power approach.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 9:00 PM

If you must commit the act of sexual intercourse, you should only do it whilst married.

And you should do it for the Lord.

There are far too many avant garde promiscuous adulterous single people on this site leading others into temptation and the Ways of the Devil.

The Wages of Sin is Death and, like Lot’s Wife, you will be turned into a venereal pillar of rotten maggot ridden sexual organs that will eventually drop off from disease, or, in the case of a woman, rot with welts, sores and maggoty rashes.

There is always a down side to promiscuity including infidelity of the mind, constant bed hopping and a contempt for your partner.

Is it no wonder that so many women are treated with the utmost contempt because of their loose morals.

Women!!! Listen for once to men discussing you between themselves. If you are promiscuous, you will be spoken of in the vilest most contemptuous of terms.

The men won’t say this to your face because they are too busy hopping in for their chop, but in private they will speak of your with well deserved contempt and in the filthiest of terms (which need not be repeated here)

And you have brought this on yourself because you and you alone are responsible for your promiscuous behaviour.

Only you can change your wicked ways. Only you can effect the change in your life where once again you will be respected, because you certainly won’t be respected at the moment for your licentious behaviour.

Aretha Franklin once sang “R-E-S-P-E-C-T” and the only way you will earn RE-S-P-E-C-T is to adopt a more wholesome and restrained approach to sex, and wait till you are in the socially acceptable confines of being married.

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 26, 2008 8:57 PM

It saddens me to see the multitude of trash magazines selling like crazy on the newstands at the moment denigrating women, photographing them in drunken stupors and printing foul articles mostly all lies. It maddens me to see that most of the editors of this trash are women and most of the purchasers of this trash are women. Mens mags have pictures of women wearing bikinis or negligees in provocative poses and the world erupts with all these holier than thou females carrying on. Nothing can be more degrading and disgusting to photograph young people out of control in various stages of drug abuse and substance abuse to make money. These magazines are in the main purchased by women not by men and the editors are women. I have never seen a mans mag yet with such degrading editorial content. At least with the hard porn stuff the 'victims'; at least get a say most of the time.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 26, 2008 8:49 PM

Graceandwit... You rock baby.... Seeing as you've brought it to the fore, so to speak, I'm comng out of the closet too....
We 50 plus women have so much to offer and you older gents have no idea what you're all missing out on. Handbags are nice to hang off the arm but think about it seriously?????? There's usually method in their madness!!!!! Will say no more....

Perth @8.03pm... so true....

K...@ 7.44p Good one...

W'n'W @ 7.26pm... nice to know.. Maybe I need to invest in some nice new cross trainers??? Look out fella's.. Oh shucks, don't all dive for cover now !!!!

Some great input all... Keep it coming... "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 26, 2008 8:37 PM

I hear you mandygirl.......they tell you all the right things and you really start to fall for them, and then they just DISAPPEAR.......
Would feel a lot worse if I had slept with him as well........best to wait to be sure they are interested in sticking around for a while I reckon.

Posted by: jenjen57 at March 26, 2008 8:29 PM

mandygirl - woops, I don't understand that. Is that my bad or yours?

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 8:15 PM

To iaminperth: Of course!

Posted by: kismetique at March 26, 2008 8:11 PM

ahh well I had a bad day, sucked in by the naughty fish.

It wasn't the first time I have taken someones bait, and wont be the last.

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 8:07 PM

Men only have carte blanche when silly women let them !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: iaminperth at March 26, 2008 8:03 PM

Right...been on rsvp for a couple of weeks, in Canberra got msged from a guy and i totally fell 4 him, been talking for ages, he said all the right things, ticked all the boxes...i think there should be a tick box for guys to let other chicks know what jerks are on here!!

Posted by: mandygirl1985 at March 26, 2008 8:02 PM

Good one, auntykaz!

Posted by: kismetique at March 26, 2008 8:00 PM

Graceandwit the dried up and wrinkled state that justsaying referred to is probably a euphemism for the male sexual drive also......he just didn't want to say it out loud..............K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 26, 2008 7:44 PM

In reply to iaminperth: My comment re the babyboomer generation was (in context!) in reference to those who may seek to maintain the so-called "double standard", wherein men have carte blanche to sleep with whomever they choose, whilst (according to those outmoded standards) women must march to a different drummer! And, to put my money where my mouth is, "graceand wit",... you go girl!

Posted by: kismetique at March 26, 2008 7:37 PM

riversong - are you suggesting that some of the (male) on RSVP are just wan.k.rs? How naughty of you.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 7:30 PM

blueyes - no, men like being chased too ... it's all good.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 7:26 PM

This topic doesn't bare much comment...however Troy - nice to see a new face...and yes, I like to check out who is blogging...just to put a face to a name, hence peeking at you :)

Virgil...can't believe you rose to the bait of the dodgey one....nor can I grasp your ideas of pornography....if that's the case half the high school seniors would NEVER be in trouble :)

What a droll topic...have sex when it feels right....why put a time limit on it - first night if it's right....2 weeks from tomorrow....6 months (well okay..maybe that's pushing it) down the track...what the hell does it matter??? Do we have use-by dates or something similiar?

On to the next blog, which if I recall correctly we'd done to death a couple of months back....

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at March 26, 2008 7:13 PM

Justsaying said about women "threatened by the looming menopausal instant dried-up and wrinkled state" more than 24 hours ago and all the bloggers, men and women, have accepted it.

This is a myth and all the gorgeous, mature, sexy bloggers should be fessing up to some of the best sex they've ever had. Come on all you mature women, don't put up with this rubbish. Everyone is complaining about mature men going after younger girls and yet we don't debunk the myths that frighten....

We are beautiful and sexy and experienced and men who take the risk with mature women can have a lovely time.... Ask my over 50 lovers... both of them!

(Yet I am too shy to have my profile showing while I say this.... sorry.)

Posted by: graceandwit at March 26, 2008 7:12 PM

Perhaps we could ask RSVP to have another tickbox for “meat market” in the searching for “ideal”, to better distinguish the predators and not spoil it for the rest of us! ;)

Re: laughandtalks: “…seriously, deluded. RSVP is a meat market and many men (and women) view it for recreational use only…” 25 Match 8.12pm

woodnwine - maybe "the brothers are doin' it for themselves"! ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 26, 2008 6:59 PM

I am intrigued by kismetique's comments re baby boomers as we were the ones who forced change wilth womens liberation. Most of the women here today wouldn't even have a job let alone have the freedom both financial or otherwise to have a partner and discard a partner at will. Our freedoms were well fought and appreciated, we were able to wear what we liked, go where we liked and say what we liked. Unlike the modern generation today who worry about whether a man will want them only for sex. What an absolute joke, If he wants you only for sex and you don't want him only for sex tell him to nick off and stop being a total bore. There are quite a few younger men out there who haven't even developed their personalities and interests to become interesting people. They are too busy following women around asking them for sex and a lot of the women today are so stupid they are letting them get away with it. Babyboomers burned their bras, got jobs, worked hard, played hard and achieved, they didn't get boob jobs speak badly and moan about men. You should get your facts right and look at the history.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 26, 2008 6:55 PM

In an earlier blog someone suggested looking at the book "He's not that just into you" and so i googled it and read some excerpts. In the light of this blog topic, can we have some opinions then on the book in that he says that men like the chase and a woman should wait to be chased. If he really is interested he will find you.Do you men get put off if a woman makes the advance , either in asking for a date or even sex? If you do then you will have to buy more stamps as we won't be needing any.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 26, 2008 6:46 PM

What is starting to worry me is .... if there are so many men on RSVP apparently getting sex and so few women, those women must be busy.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 6:46 PM

I do think times have changed incredibly, in terms of what society deems to be acceptable or even "moral" behaviour. Having said that, however, it may be that people (particularly from the so-called babyboomer generation) have not necessarily changed with the times! Sure, one may espouse the philosophies of freedom and equality in regard to the sexual mores of both genders, but what about the "double standard" that still seems to exist? And even evolution itself is quite a lengthy process (well, that's an understatement!)... men and women are undeniably different in so many areas, mainly for the purpose of species survival, and the disparate ways of thinking (between the sexes) that go along with that certainly don't change overnight either.

Posted by: kismetique at March 26, 2008 6:24 PM

Hey Jewels.....
l agree with that and take those comments for what they are worth.....

Have been called a chainyanker lately myself, much to my amusement, by someone who has since seemingly disappeared (maybe a chainyanker too) !!
Or maybe morph as you say...
Wayne047......brief but interesting post..............K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 26, 2008 5:47 PM

yes

Posted by: wayneo47 at March 26, 2008 5:29 PM

hi guys, re dodgyrodger, i have a feeling that he is just shit stirring, and could possibly be a reincarnation!!!
But it worked, we are talikng about his over the top ridiculous comments! Maybe if we ignore and don't comment, he will morph into someone else.

Have a lovely evening all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 26, 2008 5:28 PM

WnW said: groundhog - how many dates would you normally expect to have in that 3 month period? Are you an intense person that wants to see someone 2 or 3 times a week or would you be the type to just want to see someone once every 2-3 weeks?
Why should my comments portray me as an 'intense person?' When I was dating in the real world (my eventual husband who I met through work) we dated a couple of times a week - hanging out, getting to know each other as people, having fun with our clothes on and finding out if we actually liked each other as people (10 years later of course we didnt like each other but thats another story.) Its a fantastic litmus test the 3 month wait. You have time to connect emotionally. Time to find out any 'odd' behaviour that emerges and time to discover whether he/she is a genuine grown up (as opposed to a teen in grown up clothes). Everyone has a different view of the 'value' or 'throwaway value' of sex. Mine is the former so I dont give it away to any old Tom Dick or Harry spinning by with a winning smile ;)

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 26, 2008 4:51 PM

Confidence inspiring stuff that "Test" from the moderator. Hmm
MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 4:47 PM

Troy the boy.
Firstly welcome from us blokes (having peeped) probably more from the Sheilas, nice to see the gender balance shifting more to the smart side of the ledger. Glad to see you think that things have changed in your time, imagine how I feel. From my observations sex is the predominant subject and the end all and be all of being on this (or any other similar) site,( so I finally found out what these things are called ))))).
Just seems as to what the commodity is worth to both genders on the market and how it is packaged, plus how close its use by date is.

I know it sounds cynical, but it is my observation, for what its worth.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 26, 2008 4:44 PM

C'mon Virg,
I can't let you get away with "we were all incensed" etc, ( having found the path to sweetness and light) there were "some". But let me say it is a pleasant surprise to see you get stroppy for once, even if it was a bit of a political diatribe. Once again I think you had your "Chain yanked" but let them beware of the mouse that roared.

Now we all know of the legend of "Rodger the Lodger" so beware.

Also having listened to some of these so called children up the street, if I had hair it would stand on end. They probably consider us all old fuddie duddies.

WnW.
I am thinking of putting together a dic/watever of tipical Aussie speling, we cood start with the promus thing if its not to lude, Touche LOL
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 26, 2008 4:16 PM

I've had a couple on this particular topic not shown .
Sometimes things get to certain point, pre coitus, in a new relationship and the man decides that he is not particularly interested in her, or even dislikes her.
He may make a decision then that because he has invested time, money and emotional capital that he wants the sexual return that primal urges direct. He then consciously continues to the point where his advances are not rebuffed and then disappears.
For some men after this, there is a feeling of accomplishment, for some, feelings of self loathing, and for others a different pleasure, it has been a subtle power play. None wants a baby or a relationship.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 4:10 PM

Chasps.
I'll put my two bob on the doggyrogerer having morphed from necrotic flesh and along the way practised a new writing style.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 3:53 PM

virgil - I hear what you are saying about someone's performance perhaps not being perfect on the first night. That can of course be the case .... nerves, stress, tiredness, overindulgence in alcohol, unfamiliarity with a new bed partner ... but I still think you will know if there is that spark, that connection. If it's there, then the sex will improve. If it isn't, then it most probably won't.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 3:17 PM

ohhlala
You may well be right, I notice Marcus has left it completely alone, a bit unusual unless he saw it as a wind up as well

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 3:12 PM

I don't understand why it is necessary to view a persons profile if they make comment unless it is to draw a conclusion based on other than what the say. However, for the benefit of virgil, (my we get snippy when our view is challenged), left wing friend I have made mine visible. Whilst here I may say that, on the topic in question, it has been my view that there are as many women as men on RSVP who wish to have sex on the first date. I found this initially a little surprising and intimidating having been 'out of the game' for 15 years. I used to say to my 21 year old son how different and more sexually assertive young women are than their mothers generation. But that's all changed it seems....

Posted by: troyohboy at March 26, 2008 3:10 PM

I smell something very fishy and neurotic in what jollyroger has posted.
He may be the limp fish the other lady was talking about and has decided that it is safest to just hold hands and talk about deep and meaningful relationships.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 26, 2008 2:35 PM

Virgil, my profile is here, I'm just choosy who sees me that's all. Ask nicely next time, okay?

And as for RogerDodger, yeah of course he's real. A deadset legend in his own mind.

Posted by: shedaredme at March 26, 2008 2:04 PM

Kaz and Decoratess, so you are both of the opinion that dogy roger is not real and a wind up?

I hadn't thought of that, and if not real then I got sucked in big time ooh well...

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 2:01 PM

WnW

Thanks mate, you are right.

I saw red when roger wanted more censorship here, and felt this is a safe site for children? an adult dating blog? I thought the very nature of the site would, in most peoples eyes deem it unsuitable for children.

We were all apalled when OG brought his 13yo here. I would have thought that RSVP in its entirity is unsuitable for children.

I feel it is appropriate to discuss sex in this forum, and if some of the comments are over the top, then it is mostly like minded adults discussing issues that are meaningful to them.

I really got mad when this person said that a frank and open discussion on sex in this place is disgusting.

When I looked at his profile and saw this was part of a bigger agenda, that of the new right born again again movement. I felt I need to stand up for what I believe in here.

Again, WnW, thank you, I will take care.
Best wishes
Doug

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 1:51 PM

There seem to me to be two issues going on here, which are overlapping and maybe causing some people concern, confusion or angst.

There is the issue of "players", who are really just on here hoping to have sex with people as soon as possible then move on after dumping the person they "conned" emotionally. Personally, I think this attitude is to be frowned upon perhaps unless the "player" is upfront but not rude about their intentions. Maybe they could politely suggest that there is enough interest for sex but nothing more then leave the decision to the other person? I don't know if this approach would work but between two mature people it probably could so long as there was no coertion or lude behaviour such as smutty messages etc.

Then there is the issue of fairly genuine people meeting someone they like and deciding how soon to turn an attraction into something sexual. In this case, surely it is up to the individuals involved and hopefully they will move at approximately the same speed. In this case, some people, myself included, are suggesting to perhaps not leave it too long because that may lead to disappointment and then uncertainty as to where to go from that point.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 1:45 PM

Test

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 26, 2008 1:41 PM

Virgil, my motto...no profile, no response......I think that if you are going to post comments then it is realistic to expect that people will want to at least see the person they are reading and may perhaps respond to via a blog.
Decoratress...........nup............K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 26, 2008 1:40 PM

Guys, I am not killing this topic. I am letting both run at the same time Cheers, Karina

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 26, 2008 1:29 PM

virgil - you too seem to be on something of a vendetta today. Not like you, I would have thought. Maybe the comments bring some bad memories to the surface? Take care.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 1:19 PM

Hey sub zero, you are definitely onto something there, with spontenaity the key, planned events rarely work out as planned, because life gets in the way. What say mr dead fish is normally a stallion, but on this occasion he had a migraine headache, or a particularly busy day, decided to meet the girlfriend because he knew he was up for a romantic walk, etc, but when he found out tonight is the night, couldnt back out, and therefore put in a bad performance.

But on the other hand,they have been a loving romantic couple for 3 months, a simple explanation of why his performance wasnt up to the expected standard, would surely entitle him to another chance to redeem himself.

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 1:02 PM

...um

...does this mean you guys believe rodgydodger's profile is real?

Posted by: decoratress at March 26, 2008 12:38 PM

Search Results
No matching visible profile(s) found on the RSVP database.
ok toy boy no visible profile, oh well.

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 12:14 PM

Re: Pommiesheila. Great to hear that Im not alone in the experience of men pushing for sex by date 2. As an antidote I have stated on my profile that I expect us to wait 3 months to get to know each other before we go biblical. Result - massive reduction in 'kisses' coming my way! Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 26, 2008 10:47 AM
Hey grondhog day2 I really liked what you said here, so sent an immediate "Kiss"

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 12:07 PM

Well, I've never posted before I have, however, kept an eye on some blogs as they are often amusing. My profile is hidden as I'm seeing someone, not from RSVP but that's just how it happened. But "I can't stands it no more"! Dodgy Roger has some, at the very least, 'unusual' ideas but virgil, get a grip on your left wing political predudices and hypocrasy pal... Oh, and perhaps a dictionary or was your version of pornography for effect? Now, what was the topic again?

Posted by: troyohboy at March 26, 2008 11:45 AM

groundhog - how many dates would you normally expect to have in that 3 month period? Are you an intense person that wants to see someone 2 or 3 times a week or would you be the type to just want to see someone once every 2-3 weeks? If you are seeing someone a lot for 3 months and then you don't get on in bed, where does that leave you? Not suggesting you jump in too quick but .... it may be worth thinking about.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 11:29 AM

SEX, SHOULD WE HAVE IT SOONER OR LATER?

Imagine girls,you found some interesting,funny,adorable
and attractive, WOW you resist your impulses by going
on romantic dates, beach walks ETC weeks,months,
fly past waiting for the right moment so you can seduce
him with candel lights, incense, and red rose pettles on the bed.
Your Expectation are flying on the night. This will be the best night of my life, everything is perfect, 100/100 and then he turns out to be a dead fish,
needing CPR and a box of Viagra to remain awake,
when he leaves,you lay in bed for hours, thinking, what the hell went wrong,eventually falling asleep. Next day all you friend’s ask you at work,
So how was mr right,OMG was he great, was he a stallion, are you going to marry him. Remember girls, you gossip.

Q…Do you tell them about the dead carp or lie
Q…How do you feel about your investing months on the dead carp
Q…Do you call him any more
Q…Did you do something wrong
Q…Do you end your relationship with the dead carp

I cant stop laughing, Sex is ment to be spontanious,fun, unregrettable and exhilarating, the next morning you feel, happy, great, special.

It doesn’t matter the if you have sex on the first or anytime after.
As long as I’t not planned out.

For me we had sex on the first night and ended in a 10 year relationship, so my way of thinking. It’s all good,I never had any bad Experiences, and never had any one night stands.

Q SEX, SHOULD WE HAVE IT SOONER OR LATER?
A Be spontanious!
Subzero

Posted by: subzeroelite at March 26, 2008 11:25 AM

shedared me?

well we are not looking at you, because you have protection on your photos.

I cannot help that I look at something closely, and comment if it appears wrong?

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 11:21 AM

I hate sex.
It's like the Public Service Performance Assessments.
Always having to perform.
Why can't sex just be abolished.

Can't we get back to just holding hands
Posted by: dodgyroger at March 26, 2008 9:24 AM

Is this real? obviously, What do you think this blog is about? censorship? No TV, No Sport? Abolish sex?

Get Real

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 11:16 AM

Hey dodgy roger

You want to talk about what is pornographic?

Well here is what I think is pornographic, The previous liberal government wasting many years when they could have been doing something about climate change and our environment, sitting back and saying its not my problem, stuff Kyoto, sit on the report that was to say sorry for 11 years, and do their best by their big corporate mates at the expense of the average working person.

That is pornographic!!!!

To enter an adult dating site, and start saying it needs family values, and to be accessable by children is rubbish.

If you are disgusted by what goes on here, leave! But dont try and turn this into your puritanical playground.

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 11:04 AM

What is this, a Year 9 personal development class?

Next thing you know, the silly boys up the back will be poring over the pictures and making facile remarks about the various positions and whether she's faking it or not.

Virgil, Marcus, I'm looking at you.

Posted by: shedaredme at March 26, 2008 10:54 AM

I am disgusted that this pornographic topic has been introduced into the blogs.

This is RSVP, a good clean family site, which children can view without an adults only or PGR rating.

RSVP Management should take control immediately and impose a stricter self censorship regime into Blog Topics.

I would have thought it patently obvious anyway that RSVP women are not into sex.

RSVP women are only interested in relationships.

To start introducing pornography of this nature must be acutely embarrassing to a lot of good women who are on this site.
I PROTEST
Posted by: dodgyroger at March 26, 2008 4:15 AM

Roger, I see from your profile you earn good money, and are looking for someone to spend it on. This someone must be like yourself, a "born again" Christian, degree qualified professional person, of right wing persuasion.

What ever makes you think this site is suitable for children?

This is a dating and relationship site, where sex is a proper topic to talk about. In fact very educational, to know what sort of behaviour is considered normal or OK.

Earth to Roger, this topic was set by RSVP Management!!!

Not one person has said anything about pornography The women as also the men here value honsest and open discussion of issues relating to sexual behaviour.

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 10:53 AM

Re: Pommiesheila. Great to hear that Im not alone in the experience of men pushing for sex by date 2. As an antidote I have stated on my profile that I expect us to wait 3 months to get to know each other before we go biblical. Result - massive reduction in 'kisses' coming my way! Thats got to tell me something about the intent of many men on this site. I would rather have 5 kisses a month that were quality v 5 a day that are just looking for a fix and wasting my time

Posted by: groundhogday2 at March 26, 2008 10:47 AM

I can't quite understand what the big problem is here, if you meet a man and all he wants is sex and you don't, say no thanks, not interested. Make up your minds which way you want this meeting to go before you meet and don't lead the poor guy on. Turning up or displaying yourself in revealing attire, giggling and wriggling around is being totally insensitive to the guy and I think sometimes they don't know what to do either. Women are their own worst enemies at times and then blame the blokes for thinking the wrong thing [by their standards of course]. I tend to believe that a woman who actually has a life is interesting to a man and most seem to happily join in, home cooking seems to be a huge hit also, not the romantic candlelit stuff but the seafood on the barbecue, couple of glasses of wine, munch on some garlic bread and then take the dog to the beach and complain about eating and drinking too much, laugh and then yeah, had a great time, have to get early to go to work, take care c u later. Enjoy the persons company and hopefully they will enjoy yours and everyone knows where they stand and if it progresses to something else that's good, if it doesn't that's good but no-one gets so stressed out along the way.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 26, 2008 10:09 AM

dodgyroger - some women don't like holding hands, so what does that leave you with? Holding your own? Looks dodgy...

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 10:03 AM

I dont think there is a word for the male equivalent of a slut.

Particularly more than 10 years ago.

I know of some qiute nice women who describe themselves as sluts, simply because they choose to have multiple relationships, like most blokes.

I think it hurt blokes ego in times gone by that women could enjoy sex, with multiple partners, same as us guys. Probably sluts and the bad connotations of that word came from women who may have seen what other women were doing, and possibly were a bit jealous, therefore tried to bad mouth them as much as possible.

Possibly the best way to do it, is call the blokes who play around, sluts as well?

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 9:52 AM

Woodandwine your post about dating happily for three months and then finally doing the deed reminded me so much of a sex and city episode hwere Carrie finally has sex with hunk. It was awful. He was like wet fish in bed. I laughed so much. How do you face the person after and tell them there is much room for improvement. Ask if he wants lessons. Thats not nice.
So sometimes is best to have sex a bit earlier to make sure you are compatible in this area. Otherwise just another friend like dodgeyroger is looking for. Dont forget to wear your gloves when you are holding hands. You might have cuts that can transfer bodily fluids too. Cant be too safe theses days.
You can buy big boxes of gloves why not the other in big box like tissue box.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 26, 2008 9:47 AM

I was wondering about what date was appropriate to have sex on, a few weeks ago here, if it happens on the first date, there usually is no second or third, often much to my dismay. So its usually best to wait a bit.

Third date, was about the standard when I was younger.

Its fair to say that most blokes would think any number above 2 would be fine, but it seems to me the ultimate cgoice is with the woman, who either says yes, or no.

I think the longer a woman says no, the more chance a friendship has of developing, so a basis for a much longer term relationship.

Posted by: virgil at March 26, 2008 9:41 AM

Aunty.
There is no male equivalent of a slut.
Male homo sapiens have evolved with large, effective sex gear and evolutionary hardwiring to spread their seed as much as they can- like it or not.
Slut has a become an all purpose verb to describe someone, male or female who likes a lot of or does a lot of a particular activity, ie shopping slut, clothes slut, car slut etc
In the narrow definition my take is that it refers to a woman who is libidinous and promiscuous and reproductivley irresponsible. That is why it is a feared label. Pre contraception irresponsibility with your fertility meant all the extremely serious issues associated with babies who have no providing fathers
Player is a pejorative term that women invented because they do not understand male sexuality- especially when under the influence of oxytocin. A book is being mentioned here- I must have given away a dozen copies of it- with some obvious information for the naive. It seems there are a LOT of women here going through adolescence in their 40's here and they believe to much idealised marketing...
Cheers Marcus
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 9:36 AM

I hate sex.

It's like the Public Service Performance Assessments.

Always having to perform.

Why can't sex just be abolished.

Can't we get back to just holding hands

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 26, 2008 9:24 AM

Amber.
Great post. Thanks for the link. Hope you got some sleep.
No real mono theistic female gods though.
You could tell us more about Taramata- I don't think the good Orthodox Greek girls I know will have much to say.
The Ararat etymology was interesting.
I lived in Ararat in my mispent youth (as opposed to my mispent adulthood) and we had a favorite bush party spot called Noah's Ark.
All those femme gods. Helps make the point that most people are almost completely atheist; they generally, if infected, worship only one god.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 9:20 AM

YouareinPerth: Loving your recent posts. A whole new side of you that's so attractive and amusing, since you pensioned off the yarksnark. Go gal!

Posted by: timewarp1 at March 26, 2008 9:16 AM

laughsandtalks - I have also seen some photos and profiles that suggest the main thing a woman is looking for is sex (and possibly little else). And then they probably complain when that's all they get .... hello!

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 9:12 AM

How many people have dated someone for months and enjoyed their company and felt they were getting on really well .... only to eventually find (after already forming some sort of attachment) that there just was no spark at all in bed? What then? Plod on and accept a dreary sex life or give up? Just proposing the other side of the coin.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 9:10 AM

Willow. 8:55PM
And I thought a girls most precious possesion was her PIN number..
Lynathdear, 'She's a grouse sheila' is one of the highest male compliments; if you are under 40 or more urban perhaps 'top chick' is as complimentary.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 9:08 AM

Willow. 8:55PM
And I thought a girls most precious possesion was her PIN number..

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 9:01 AM

"l think l may have posed this question once before, but is the player the male eqivalent of the slut?? A genuine question, one l know my answer to and l am curious to find out whether the answers are mainly based on our experiences / perceptions / upbringing, whatever...........K"

Posted by: auntykaz at March 26, 2008 1:29 AM

Kaz - I think a player is quite different to a slut (regardless of sex).

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 8:59 AM

Junebaby.
You have hit on the observable phenomenon of posed webcam shots. The number of women on rsvp who have photographed themselves ready for bed (usually tho' with lots of lip make up? Amber, a comment? ;-}) in their nighty or top that appears to be open to the err, waist is considerable.
Might just put a sign on the forehead; "I'm a goer".
Perhaps I'm a cynic and these photo's are really a poor girls glamour shot which in turn are poor girls cosmetic surgery.
Cheers Marquis

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 8:51 AM

Hey guys, I am sorry about delays in posting from last night. I am trying to get someone to moderate until later.
Cheers,
Karina
P.S - Please behave yourselves as I am watching. HAHAHA

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 26, 2008 8:44 AM

"If you didn't want to sleep with someone after the first 'date' why would you bother seeing them again? Unless you're collecting friends I couldn't see the point.

I also can't see how promiscuous and other pejorative appellations to someone with a sex drive can still be accepted. Dull."

Posted by: blondebiped at March 25, 2008 7:29 PM

The pertinent difference I believe is knowing that you may like to and understanding when it's appropriate.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 26, 2008 8:38 AM

iampert.
Haha. Waiting for the sex toys to make an appearance. Excellent solution to long nights for many girls.
I met a large someone here who literally had a box full of worn out medium sized pink double acting ones under her bed. At least 30 she reckoned. She would go through one every six weeks. After the date I could see why a Bob (Battery operated boyfriend) was ideal for her.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 8:37 AM

Karina - what's the point of the time delay if there is no "moderating" happening? (eg the offensive malicious laughsandtalks 25 March 8.16pm?)

dodgyroger, if you are tuely looking for love, a name change might be in order for you too! ;)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 26, 2008 8:27 AM

Blonde B - you might like to try giving some guys more than one chance to decide whether bedding them is on the cards. Sometimes a person is not initially attractive but as you get to know them they just might grow on you.And by making a few extra friends along the way ,it might give you the opportunity to have outings with them which allow a little 'networking'. I have introduced a few guys to ceroc that I have met on this site. Although they weren't my dream fellow they are still worthwhile people and they are now meeting many more ladies by joining me at classes.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 26, 2008 7:46 AM

sex...when to do it? well when you both feel comfortable, you both feel the spark, which isn't always on the first date, it is what you both want, you have worked it out between you both....there is no magic number of dates, or number of days or weeks before you should or shouldn't.....the magic should be there between you both, if the magic or spark is not there, it probably wouldn't be a good idea to have sex, as you can't make those feelings happen.

Pommyshiela, that happens a bit to me, men asking for or suggesting sex on a first phone call, msn chat, webcam chat, and first dates, for a while there I thought I had porn queen stuck on my forehead!!!
And it isn't just younger guys, older guys do it tooo!!! I worked out that it was because I was too nice, and laughed it off as a joke. Sooo now no webcam chats, they have to email me...as in, put there money where there mouth is!!!
I modified my profile to mention the R word...as in relationship, cause that is what I am here for......not just sex or a one nite stand!!! But there are a number of men out there who still just want sex!!!
And guys, it is not all guys, but I can only talk about my experiences, and all the above is true!! Have a lovely day all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at March 26, 2008 7:41 AM

W&W
OGre's 'promiscuousisity' has no gender. Sounds like a phrase to beat a 'pron' filter into submission with...

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 6:37 AM

Go the blondebiped!

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 26, 2008 6:22 AM

I am disgusted that this pornographic topic has been introduced into the blogs.

This is RSVP, a good clean family site, which children can view without an adults only or PGR rating.

RSVP Management should take control immediately and impose a stricter self censorship regime into Blog Topics.

I would have thought it patently obvious anyway that RSVP women are not into sex.

RSVP women are only interested in relationships.

To start introducing pornography of this nature must be acutely embarrassing to a lot of good women who are on this site.

I PROTEST

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 26, 2008 4:15 AM

Oh good grief. Is this a test? Should we take revision notes just in case?

Posted by: shedaredme at March 26, 2008 3:03 AM

Hi Marcus,
Well "feminine" religions? Where do I start? Well from Ancient times it was women who were seen as the creators of the Earth and all who lived on it, as well as the elements such as fire and water.
Goddesses such as the Goddess of Laussel, Goddess of Menton and the Goddess of Willendorf, were fertility goddesses, who all date from Paleolithic times.
The Goddess Astarte, was one of the oldest forms of the Great Goddess in the Middle East. She was seen as the True Sovereign of the World and was worshipped by all Indo-European cultures from the Neolithic Age through the Bronze Age.
There were Godesses all over the world in every Culture for centuries. We know about Isis and Bast the Egyptian Godesses, but what about Nekhebet the Vulture Goddess, whose sign was the ancient Egyptian word for mother and Hathor, worshipped in 11th Century BC Israel, the Great Celestial Cow Goddess of Ancient Egypt who was the "Creator of all the world and all it contains" and was the Protectress of Women whose Temple was "the home of intoxication and place of enjoyment".

Then we have Aramaiti, the Iranian Earth Goddess whose language was the original language of the Christian Gospels, Al-Uzza "Powerful One" the Arabic Goddess who was the founder of , the Korashites (Mohammed's Tribe) whom he worshipped as the Desert Goddess of the Morning Star, and Manat the Arabic Goddess, Ruler of Fate, Luck & Fortune who was one of the Trinity of Fates worshipped at Mecca.

Not to forget Anath, the Queen of Heaven and Mistress of all the Gods, worshipped by the Canaanites, Amorites, Syrians, Egyptians, Hebrews and Phoenicians.
Also Rhea, the Aegan Universal Mother, Great Mother Goddess known as Rhea Silvia under whose rule the Vestal Virgins were not celibate nuns or servants of the state (as they were in later times) but women who chose and deposed the early Latin Kings (ruled the rulers) and took no husbands. Her children were cared for by the High Priestess, Acca Laurentia also known as the Holy Harlot. (I wondered where the word "harlot" given later for a woman of "loose" morals came from?!)

Also Aditi, the Hindu Great Goddess who was supposed to have given birth to the 12 zodiacal spirits, and Chomo-Lung-Ma, one of the oldest Indian Deities who was the Goddess Mother of the Universe (Her name was the original name of Mount Everest) and even the biblical Mt. Ararat was named after the ancient Anatolian Goddess Ararat, the World Creator Goddess. There was also Achamoth, who according to the early Gnostic Christians (who had quite different ideas about God from the later branches of Christianity, such as the Catholic Church and treated women as equals within the Church) gave birth to the Creator of the Material Universe.

Tara (the first female Buddhist) the Pre-Vedic Saviour Goddess was known from India to Ireland. Any early Christians knowing about her would have found her very scary as an ancient festival held annually in Athens named Taramata (Mother Tara) was named after her and was also known as the Rioting because of its wild orgiastic customs!

It is interesting to know that once Christianity took hold in Europe many of the words that had been sacred to the world of the Goddesses, took on crude and disrespectful meanings towards women. Harlot (an ancient High Priestess) and Bitch were among them. Bitch was the sacred name given to the Greek Goddess Artemis and her priestesses were the Sacred Bitches. Certainly back then, the term "son of a Bitch" never meant the nastiness and negativity associated with it today, it simply meant "spiritual son of Artemis", the Pagan Goddess.

The Roman Catholic Church was so keen to rid the world of the pagan Goddesses, that when one goddesses' following was so strong it couldn't besmirch her (or win over the populace), it "seconded" her into the Church!!
This happened to the Triple Pagan Goddess of the Great Celtic empire of Brigantia, Briget. Brigantia took in parts of Spain, France and the British Isles. When the cult of Briget remained so strong the Church couldn't destroy it, the Church decided to make her a Saint! She became known as St. Brigid, a Nun who was seen as founding a Convent at Kildare. The Convent was always known for its strange "miracles" and evidence of its "fertility magic" and men were not allowed within its walls.
St Brigid's Feast Day was on February 1, the first day of Spring in the Pagan calendar and was known as Imbolc, the day of union between Goddess and God!!
Of course, the Church couldn't leave it at this, it was just too respectful of a pagan goddess, so the day was changed to February 2nd, was dedicated to the Virgin Mary and called Candlemas Day.

While some of the "pagan" Goddesses may well have been very confronting for early Christians because of the uninhibited and "immoral" customs of their followers, there were other Goddesses who were responsible for the "sanctity" and purity of marriage.
However, Christianity had been hijacked by those who were fanatical and patriarchal; I'm not sure there was any room for any kind of religious respect or tolerance, as could be judged by the Crusades!

So I honestly think the feministic religions held sway over the world for much longer than the relevantly recent rise of Christianity, its insistence that a "Male" God created the world and its disapproval and subversion of sexuality in both women and men unless under the sacred umbrella of Christian marriage.
(For anyone who is remotely interested and hasn't gone to sleep by now, I got quite a lot of this information from a website called "Mother Goddess" www.mothergoddess.com)

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 26, 2008 2:31 AM

WnW, of course there are male and female players, for want of a better word...did we not have this as a side topic some weeks ago???
The worst thing is for those caught in the player trap, to not see what is coming after they have been "had", and then left aside for greener pastures. Those who constantly seek the new conquest are never going to be happy in the way that most of us expect in a relationship.
And l know we have had the discussion about what time frame constitutes a relationship, as well as when is it a relationship as opposed to friendship. These things crop up a lot don't they??

l think l may have posed this question once before, but is the player the male eqivalent of the slut?? A genuine question, one l know my answer to and l am curious to find out whether the answers are mainly based on our experiences / perceptions / upbringing, whatever...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 26, 2008 1:29 AM

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 25, 2008 12:01 PM

Ditto and no I can not tolerate liars either. I similarly agree that at this stage in my life after 10 years of marriage and 13 years of singledom including approximately 6 years of celibacy, I would not listen if anyone called me a slut were I to find someone I actually wanted to have sex with. Of course I would not settle for a relationship that did not have lovemaking as opposed to just good old sex. Being discerning as to who I date has basically caused me to just not bother anyway lately and am going to just continue not to actually look but also engage in non RSVP life. sunrisesiezta at least we are reasonably happy in our own company, which is something.

SSC

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at March 26, 2008 12:36 AM

By the way, pommiegirl ;) I'm not having a go at Madonna. While Marilyn was the sterotypical weak-kitten sex symbol used by the system, Madonna is the reborn tigress - iconic "Woman In Charge Of Everything", playing the game for all it's worth! Good on her with her pointy bra and feisty attitude! (just might be open to misinterpretation I think).

Posted by: riversong1 at March 25, 2008 11:17 PM

Hi I'm a new "Other Caucasian" who signed up tonight. I noticed on the left this blog topic and thought I'd add my 10 cents worth. Regarding promiscuity, if you can't control your sexual appetite, its usually a sign of some other issue. A cynic would say get married asap if you want to kill your rampant desires :-) Regarding "how long to wait", in short I say go with the flow. Too much of our life these days is regulated and legislated; to attach a timeline as to when its appropriate (political correctness gone mad again) to have sex is silly. When the time is right, it will happen. Its as simple of that. In a word; chemistry. Re precautions, we are all adults here and as an ex boy scout I stand by the motto "be prepared". Its never too far to the nearest club/pub dunny and those wonderful $2.00 coin machines that sell "French ticklers", "savage passion" (with ribs) and other assorted prophylactic devices. PS I made those names up I've never bought one myself. Buying at a Shell servo in bulk is much cheaper.

Posted by: geoffh1967 at March 25, 2008 11:11 PM

This topic really has brought the women out hasn't it? Has anyone thought that it takes two to tango and the word "no" still exists even in internet language?

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 10:59 PM

Pagan Goddess worship Marcus, the power of fertility and the ability to produce new life.,,..back before men and the new religions began to suppress and control women's power by portraying women as bordering on evil most possibly witches...

So you sneaked up on a pair of sympatric lizards...what a shock that must have been,...

Does it matter if you sleep with someone on the first date...let me think...well if they are that boring that you have to go to sleep perhaps they are not your perfect match.
Matter?....depends on what the consequences are I suppose.....
it might matter for instance if you became pregnant with triplets...it could matter if you contracted a serious disease..or possibly you might be affected if you are a married man and get divorced when your wife finds out....

promiscuity is also relative to many factors.....

Sexual health would be the major responsibility of the owner of a good one ...to be guarded well.
A medical certificate for what? Cardio Vascular fitness? .It takes about three months after contact for the serious diseases to show up in blood tests so a negative test one week, may not be an accurate test and there may be no other symptoms. To be safe you must be protected for at least three months before both going for tests. The trust is a big factor after that.

Posted by: thelynathdiary at March 25, 2008 10:08 PM

promiscuous
If you are promiscuous your probably under thirty and if you are over thirty and still the same well you have to grow up and move forward in your understanding of what you are or what you are going to become .

men and women would certainly be better of by not being promiscuous full stop

Sexual Health starts with you take charge of your actions and dont blame anyone else

i hate condoms so no sex for me until i find that one i want to sleep with and same visa versa
medical check well if u dont trust em dont sleep with em

Posted by: ohthereugo at March 25, 2008 9:41 PM

Couldn’t we abolish sex altogether and just stick to having relationships

Posted by: dodgyroger at March 25, 2008 9:39 PM

pommy sheila...virgo....out....
and also under music "I do enjoy swing..." out...
"Kind to all I can cope with...nuhah....
swinging voter ..snort.....
over fondness of ball sports...what can I say....cricket and football+ nirvana of sexual ecstasy for many Australian men....
Your choice of entertainment...lord of the rings...no...sex toy story and mention of Pythons. tsk tsk.... and what about ohohohoh!klahoma...a give away as to your intentions missy....

Won't judge me by the behaviour of other women...hmmmmm.what if they were lovely chaste types of girls?

sheila is maybe not considered flattering as it is more often used in a derogatory way perhaps akin to 'scrubber" if it is actually used at all these days.

ps your profile is fine....

Posted by: thelynathdiary at March 25, 2008 9:37 PM

My latest romance, if you can call it that, had the wining and dining for approx 3 weeks, he came over to my home to cook me dinner on the 4th week, no sex up to this point. A very open and honest relationship, or so i thought. the 4th week we had sex then never to be heard from again. Just my recent experience of being blatently lied to, this one said all the right things and did all the right things, i did not suspect until too late.

In hindsight, there were the odd little behaviours that i should have picked up on, have just finished reading ' He's not that into you' wish i had this book 1 mth ago, ladies a great read

Posted by: firehorsegal at March 25, 2008 9:09 PM

pommyshiela perhaps it's just those beautiful green eyes of yours in your second photo :)

Very sad to hear of your experiences. We're not all like that. I hope you have better luck in the future. I'm sure that you will

cheers

Posted by: boyfriendmaterial at March 25, 2008 9:03 PM

PommySheila..i have met those blokes too..obviously they like all ages and dont mind a bit of a drive :)

Posted by: picklessister at March 25, 2008 8:59 PM

I have to laugh....when I am nice to the blokes in the blogs the number of people who add me to their favourites goes up. But, if I have a bit of a laugh at some of the blokey stuff the number goes down....like I don't like her any more, she's a meany ! I'm going to take her off my list and throw my dollies out the pram too!!!!

Posted by: iaminperth at March 25, 2008 8:58 PM

Sex on a first date, perhaps not a good idea if the intention is to form a relationship where sex is the ultimate form of being united and sharing our most precious possession .... our inner spiritual self.

On the other hand, if its a case of lust and supercharged hormones then go for it but do not be disappointed if there is no second, third and fourth date.

Intimacy does not necessarily mean sex on the first date in the copulation sense. Perhaps another discussion for this.

If forming a connection or finding chemistry is paramount then for me this means no sex on the early dates for both men and women, until at least some form of emotional bond has been attained where the attraction has some non-physical basis.

Men do have more primal instincts so sex for many is early on the agenda. In the end most men will wait for a while if they have a genuine interest in you as a person but I dont think it is something you give or take. It just happens, sometimes for the right reasons and sometimes for the wrong reasons.

In the end, I think if sex is being discussed before things like meeting, what do you enjoy doing, what do you think about the world, what makes you laugh then the relationship is probably going nowhere outside the bedroom and even that may not last long.

Perhaps it's as simple as love (like) the mind and spirit first then hope the rest will come (no pun intended, well just a little one).

Posted by: willow1059 at March 25, 2008 8:55 PM

My vibrator has a wonderful certificate of health, fastiduously maintained, does not fart or snore and guarantees multiple orgasms or 'little deaths' whenever I wish. Probably originally designed by a man to make themselves extinct.....lol

Posted by: iaminperth at March 25, 2008 8:53 PM

hey pommysheila I think thats a great name, I dont know of any other way that would be thought ofblokes uesd to call all women sheilas years ago,

Posted by: virgil at March 25, 2008 8:52 PM

PommySheila, your profile is lovely. Don't worry about it. Re: sex - sooner or later? Hey, we're adults. I think we can make that decision if the time/opportunity presents itself. In my opinion/experience, if you're attracted to the person and feel like having sex, go for it. But be prepared for it to be what it is - in other words, the double standard is alive and well, and don't expect a lovelorn call in the morning. For what it's worth, if I actually like someone, it's unlikely I'll sleep with them 'sooner' rather than 'later'. If I don't see any future with them but find them attractive - well, we're all human, with human wants and needs...If I neither find them attractive nor see a future with them - well, it just ain't gonna happen.

I think you can also suss this out before heading out for a one-on-one meeting. You can generally tell whether a guy's using you as an alternative to 'paying for it' or if he's actually interested in knowing you. Having said that, I suspect most guys would at least give it a shot - nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Make your own decisions, and be proud of doing what you want to do with whom you want to do it. Just be safe about it.

Posted by: dazedorconfused at March 25, 2008 8:41 PM

Woodnwine: Prophetic words, there's one of them posted two places above you :)

Posted by: pommysheila at March 25, 2008 8:23 PM

Pommyshiela.
Great profile name. Ideal for Australian conditions. Keep at it; you will do well.
Don't listen to riverschlong. She has a distorted feminism, is obviously misandrist and doesn't understand her own processes.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 8:16 PM

On the medical certificate topic.
I would suggest that a certificate okaying females mental sexual health would be a good idea.
A lot of them have the oxytocin hormone release and become, seriously, deluded.
RSVP is a meat market and many men (and women) view it for recreational use only.
Some girls even think that after these hormonal effects have worn off and they realise their emotional pressurising has resulted in a sham relationship it is quite ok to take you to the cleaners as punishment.
Crikey. Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 8:12 PM

Woodnwine.
It is true about the cynicism.
A couple of the poorly informed and inexperienced misandrist usual-suspects have returned. Honestly, lynathdialtone, when was the last time you saw a passionate penis?
I think the pommyshiela has more than a hint of a twinkle in her eyes and knows how to deal quite adequately with the begging blokes. With high boots and fish net me thinks. Haha.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 8:02 PM

Marcus, hehehe. To which you could add: I am a single mum and therefore obviously desperate for a man at any price. Not my summing-up, that's just been suggested by a friend. But if I delete reference to my daughter from my profile, it's dishonest, isn't it?

Riversong, I am a newish Australian and always thought a sheila was just a generic Aussie female. Does it seriously have other connotations? If so, I might become one of those weird people who change their profile name ;)

Posted by: pommysheila at March 25, 2008 7:57 PM

amberlite 1:40 pm.
No one hear seems capable of having a conversation about this topic on a rational, anthropological basis. It is well known that it has taken millions of years to evolve human sexuality and still people do not accept that there is basic gender antagonism because our interests are different.
Love is an evolutionary trick and in some cases a sick state with all the symptoms of mental illnesses.
Liked your comment about males fear of cuckolding follows neatly onto female mutilation.
Love to know what these feminine religions are were though?
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 7:43 PM

pommysheila, your profile looks great (not that a lot of the guys actually read the profiles). Perhaps maybe just delete the reference to Madonna and the pointy bra, and I'm also not sure of the connotations of "sheila", if you want to be safe. But hey, has it ever occurred to you that if a lot of the guys out there are just out looking for sex, it might not be anything you say?

When to have it... hhhmmm.... I guess the question is: do I really want to stuff my face with cream cakes, knowing full well they're not healthy, won't fulfill my needs (apart from short term indulgent thrill), and will do more harm than good in the long run... or should I save my healthy appetite to better appreciate that full wholesome meal :)

Posted by: riversong1 at March 25, 2008 7:42 PM

I feel a little over feet at the moment.

Posted by: virgil at March 25, 2008 7:38 PM

iaminperth.
Orgasm is called the 'little death im many cultures- it is the man's prerogative to snooze a while.
Feet are large so the toe ringed individual is probably male but no guarantees.
Plenty of bisexual people here. I caught one date in bed with her housemate when I turned up 1/2 hr early.
Cheers Marquis

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 7:33 PM

Had a look at the Pommyshiela's profile.
Not suprised she has the hard word put upon her. Men judge thus:
1. Works in charity; always an easy touch indicator.
2 Catholic. Might have little black hearts but are often rebelling against the Church nonsense and if over 18 will do it readily provided a safe distance from the Church; usually at least 100 metres
3. Cannot see the bust. Perhaps capacious and if it is a major source of stimulation for males; and the converse is true too.
Cheers Marquis

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 7:29 PM

Wow - lots of cynicism on here tonight from the ladies ... probably lots of it well founded. Just to let you ladies know though ... there are women out there on RSVP who are just as eager to stalk men for sex and nothing more. Players come in both genders and they can be hard to pick.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 7:24 PM

Thank you very much, I do appreciate the comments. LOL Lynath! Okay, it's official, all men are slavering, sex-crazed beasts and we women are all as innocent as the driven slush ;-)

Yep, keep on trucking ... Oi, you mucky males at the back - I said trucking!

Posted by: pommysheila at March 25, 2008 7:01 PM

Ladies,

I think that you are giving these guys that Pommysheila meets far too much credit.....maybe they are just completely desperate and without social skills....and believe that you too are in that situation...being a woman on RSVP and all (no aspersions meant towards your charms here PS).

You may have the Big Banana in Coffs.... but sounds like a lot of small bananas aren't seeing too much action!!!

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at March 25, 2008 6:58 PM

The fact that we even ask questions like this is an indictment of how we think today. Our lives are much more contemporary than years gone by and so are our habits. Is there a right or wrong answer...I dont think so. The fact that we respect the decisions made by those who do or dont sleep with each other on the first date is the most important issue...They can still be the greatest people which ever way they go...Hi from Greg

Posted by: genuineandreal1 at March 25, 2008 6:56 PM

HI Pommysheila, I actually asked a male friend of mine who is not on the site,the same question re. my profile. I have come to the conclusion that a lot of guys figure they have nothing to lose if they ask. If they ask enough women they will eventually get what they want. And I assume that is why quite a lot of very much younger guys also send me kisses even though I have stated in my profile that I want someone close to my own age.And I would assume there are women who also ask that of men too.
One fellow who sent me an email without a kiss first, kept asking that on a chat ,opened up almost at the same time I received his email. Every thing he wrote was either up front or suggestive.Your profile is fine- remember that it takes all types to make the world go around and somewhere out there these guys will find their cup of tea too.
Virgil-I don't think the couple are having sex-they are posed as if they are asleep side by side-maybe it's after the event.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 25, 2008 6:40 PM

Hi Pommygirl, just had a quick sticky nose at your profile and it's great. Definitely not giving off the wrong vibes. If it's any consolation I've had a few of the octupi turn up at coffee meets. Think that putting a hand (or trying to) on your breast to see if your heart is beating is funny. Cough, splutter, as if... Think I need to change that part on my profile even though I don't see anything wrong with it. Anyway, takes all sorts so just hang in there. Surely there's some decent guys out there somewhere so have to meet some eventually.. Don't we???? Not holding my breath but also not throwing the towel in yet. Soon maybe but not just yet!!!
Good luck!!! "G"

Posted by: amdoingit at March 25, 2008 6:39 PM

Hi pommysheila
As another woman, I can't see anything remotely "suggestive" about your profile, you seem pretty straightforward and down-to-earth to me!! Maybe the guys just think that if we have put our profiles on RSVP then we must be "desperate for it" so to speak!! Or just desperate!!
Don't they realise that if we WERE just desperate for hot, passionate sex , we could simply pop along to one of the well-haunted singles bars and at least be "picked up" by some good-looking young "stud" who rather fancies sex with an older woman.
We certainly wouldn't be looking at some middle-aged bloke, because if it's ONLY about sex and not a relationship, we'd just want someone virile, muscley and hunky who can do the deed without any worries or "morning after" protocol!

Yes Kaz, you have a good point! I am quite sure I would be terrified whether I was "doing it right!" because it's been such a long time!

Virgil, On looking yes, they actually look more like they are unconscious than having sex, or maybe it was just that good!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 25, 2008 6:38 PM

pommysheila: my experiences precisely, and I'm just about over it. I suspect we've met some of the same men [despite our age difference] who make it clear one way or another, by their body language, their suggestions of where to go now after the meal is finished, or just plain coming out and saying what they'd like to do now - all within a couple of hours of meeting for the first time! They've said and done all the right things during the course of our meeting [opening doors, being attentive, polite, agreeable etc etc] so much so that I've pretty well assumed what their next move, their next suggestion would be ... Sorry, now I'm sounding cynical. And yes, it's not been the same experience when meeting men in real life, where I've gotten to known them as friends first!

Posted by: hinterlandlover at March 25, 2008 6:32 PM

PommySheila, you know perfectly well that no good Catholic girl should ever mention any word with the slightest sexual connotation and seriously hope to escape from the clutches of men. (I think they said clutches.. I see that you have mentioned at least three sexually inflammatory words, possibly more, in your profile if you count" tinned meat"...but really! it is the mention of the world 'sleep:' and 'pointy bra" along with "Madonna"and "baking" which no man can resist.....
I'm sorry I am going to have to report you to Sister Mary Winifred.....

Posted by: thelynathdiary at March 25, 2008 6:30 PM

Virgil, That's the bit when he's rolled over and laying on his back thinking about falling asleep or lighting up a cigarette and she's going 'do you really love me' and he's going 'of course I do baby' and thinking christ I wish she's leave me alone so I can go to sleep, lol

Posted by: iaminperth at March 25, 2008 6:22 PM

Pommysheila nothing in your profile suggests you are just looking for cuddles and massages:))
I think it is the age old quest of men looking for conquests. They have lost their marriage or partnership and their egos are deflated and only many cuddles from many women will blow it up for them again.
Women look at men for a deeper relationship with all of the trimmings while a man looks at a woman for just the trimmings. This is not true for many men I know but for the ones we are talking about it is very true. It is wise for women not to sleep with the stranger too soon. And a stranger is what he is and she is. we do not know these new people so be very careful . Sex is such an intimate thing to do with a person so wait till they are no longer a stranger to you. It may be worth t in the long run.

Posted by: oohlala1 at March 25, 2008 6:20 PM

Hi Pommy, Maybe they were just saying they like cuddles, maybe they didn't mean they wanted sex. Men mostly are cuddle bugs I think, want to hang all over you and follow you around being doey, I think it has something to do with their mums petting them up too much. Maybe they were sussing you out a bit and it wasn't about sex at all. What's wrong with saying thanks but no thanks and let them work out the rest for themselves. If they get really pushy walk away, who would want someone like that anyway better to be rid of them I think.

Posted by: iaminperth at March 25, 2008 6:19 PM

Hi All,

21st century and all of that.....I think that the more old fashioned and repressive religious views on female sexuality are dead and buried for the enlightened...now the issue is what it should always have been.....the safety aspect.

I think two reasonable adults will know when the time is right, and are able to differentiate between sex and love....the key is "reasonable adults". It doesn't matter when you do the deed, so long as you both understand the ramifications of what you are doing at the time (ie fling, consumation etc).

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at March 25, 2008 6:14 PM

virgil, Of course it's a posed picture, we're being moderated remember !!!

Posted by: iaminperth at March 25, 2008 6:12 PM

Cautious re.12.42pm. Hate to tell you but your profile is still up there even though your blog says differently. Your profile also says that you are interested in a long term relationship or friendship. If you want no nore than friendship then you need to alter your profile and then filter those that send you a kiss etc. I don't have a problem if guys are up front in what they are looking for and if it doesn't match my needs then I tell them so in a polite manner.Nothing need be unpleasant if you word things tactfully.I prefer to word it that "I am not what they are looking" for rather than say anything negative about them. Just take on your encounters as a learning experience about yourself and what you want out of a relationship and keep moving forward.
As to the blog topic, both parties are equally responsible for protection and the decision of timing . We are adults after all.And I'm not about to kiss and tell either.If we start admitting here how many dates we go on before leaping into bed it could greatly affect how many people or what type of person might be interested in us.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at March 25, 2008 6:10 PM

All the men I've met (as opposed to just swapping one or two emails with) through this site have started mentioning sex almost straightaway, before we've met. The three I've met for more than one date all became more and more insistent - one even got down on his knees and begged (funny in retrospect but I didn't think so at the time!).

One of them started out with euphemisms like "Do you like cuddles? I love kisses and cuddles!" while the others just grabbed and hoped for the best.

I suppose this could mean that I attract superficial men who don't want a relationship, just sex (if so, this is certainly not deliberate: I DO want a relationship and don't give out ambiguous signals, either verbal or physical, because there is no way I would sleep with a guy until I can say we are friends!). I have never had this problem in "real life" when meeting men.

Or it could mean that a large number of men on RSVP, at least in my age group, only want sex, or won't consider building a relationship until they get it?

Could somebody please do me a favour, take a look at my profile and comment if it looks as though I'm giving out the wrong signals? Thanks in advance ... Mystified of Coffs Harbour

Posted by: pommysheila at March 25, 2008 5:40 PM

If these people are supposed to be having sex, the position of the woman appears interesting.

Do others feel the position of the woman suggests not normal sex?

Maybe it is just a posed picture, made to look that way?

Posted by: virgil at March 25, 2008 5:26 PM

the maggot may have sneaked from the toenail to the you know what for a little peek-a-boo.....ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

Posted by: iaminperth at March 25, 2008 5:22 PM

Oh god, it's all too hard and too messy why does anyone bother most of the time. As for discussing when and putting time limits and other limitations whatever happened to when it happens it happens. Surely sex has become so compartmentalised, if that's a word that it's now almost devoid of any love. Seems more like a quick bonk or conquest at times, sad really. As for talking about 'old people' doing it....as my daughter would say ewwwwwwwwww gross!

Posted by: iaminperth at March 25, 2008 5:21 PM

C'mon WnW
don't lurk stick a toe in the disinfectant like Bill.

Littleraven, nothing wrong with reaching for the Stars, a wonderful profile, thoroughly delightful profile, I myself would have thrown a "modest" in there some where but maybe you were to "modest" to. Laughing out loud, now I do not like to use that as it may be confused with another blugger with a similar name, so forgive me if I use LOL, (long as I do not burn in Hell). Welcome to another male.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 25, 2008 5:01 PM

OG @ 3.23pm today...."quite often men are suffering the "will she, won't she" dilemna, especially after a period of abstinence, this naturally affects the performance /time /foreplay aspects and may make women judge in error of a serious potential partner".
Does this mean that only men suffer "performance anxiety"???

How about quite often women are agonising over the "will he respect me in the morning" dilemna.

We all have our anxieties oldergent, no matter what the age...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 25, 2008 4:38 PM

2. Promiscuousisity, has no gender.

Love that one OG .... still working it out.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 4:36 PM

Signs of improvement,
That last post of mine took 20 minutes from pressing the post to hitting the page.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 25, 2008 4:22 PM

Hi people.
3 simple questions
1. Depends on time and circumstances between the man and woman.
2. Promiscuousisity, has no gender.
3. If you cannot tell the signs of the common STD;s or are worried about AIDS yes.
But more importantly to question one. Do you want a "wham bam"encounter and not worry about the quality of the meeting. How can you assess the future on one encounter. Quite often men are suffering the "will she, won't she" dilemma, especially after a period of abstinence, this naturally affects the performance/time/ foreplay aspects and may make the woman judge in error of a serious potential partner. The other thing to mind is, is one partner using it a a bargaining tool, or a weapon, a reward?

As I said it is a genderless word, those that are will always be, one way or another.

At the age of most young older people on this site, they should have a pretty fair idea after a couple of meetings about the other person. If in doubt why would you not walk away, unless of course one was absolutely certain that was the one for you. (forever?)

Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at March 25, 2008 3:23 PM

justsaying - I have opinions on all of this but am just lurking (like you) at the moment. Seems my methods are catching.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 3:01 PM

You have sex with someone when you are ready in my opinion.....however long it takes is up to the two involved.
Man or woman, promiscuity is something that has been around for ever, and l think it is percieved as more acceptable for the male...sowing his wild oats sort of stuff, as oposed to the woman being easy.
Inrality is one not as "bad" as the other????
That is, if promiscuity is offensive, not everyone thinks it is after all.
Sexual health is important for both.
The old saying is that you sleep with whoever the person you are sleeping with has slept with is very true.....
Is it the male's responsibility to provide a condom??? Not at all there are 2 engaging in sex both should be prepared.
In years gone by it was always the woman's responsibility as in going on the pill.
Nowadays responsibility should be shared.......................K

Posted by: auntykaz at March 25, 2008 3:00 PM

I think its up to the couple if they wish to have sex on the first date, I personally would rather wait and get to know the person better. My last realtionship i waited 7 months! she was a virgin though, but still i was happy to wait.

A medical test, as long as both do it at the same time why not? each to there own

Posted by: tasdevil07 at March 25, 2008 2:36 PM

Does sex, should we have it sooner or later?

In my case, Later...I should know the person at first..

Posted by: aliane at March 25, 2008 2:33 PM

I was asked by a man recently if I had "one night stands". My reply......well if I was attracted enough to a guy to want to have sex with him then I might want to actually have a relationship with him...and that to me would mean no sex on the first night!

You can't know a person in one evening.

And for the man who got to the second date and "was surprised we didnt end up in the bedroom on the first date"...probably the reason you didn't get to the third date was for that very reason...you ended opening your mouth to some truths on the second date.

So for me there is no bedroom till I realise whether I want to spend time with the person.

And seems like I get contact from a lot of men who are not interested in a second date and are only here for the sex. So Woodnwine....I'd say they don't care about any attraction...it is just about the sex.

Sexual health...some of the strories I have heard makes me cringe at the thought of being anywhere near some men without Full PPE( Personal Protective Equipment).

Posted by: sunkissedqldr at March 25, 2008 2:17 PM

I am interested in the topic of whn to have sex.

Isnt that an issue between two people, and it is rather sad, to hear that any sex you have on this site will be recreational, I really believe you can meet a nice man, surely not everyone who joins this site is not here for the right reasons.
I am an optimist and not at all synical, I rally think there is a partner for me that respects me as a women and a friend, and will have patience and itegrity, and this is the real world. We are in the age of technology, new ways of meeting nice people. It hurts when you get rejected, but I guess if I do that person doesnt want who I am, so it is positive not negative.
I am slowly learning how to use the site, and have driven the support mad I think, with trying to use it the right way. They have been very patient.

I feel it is like meeting anyone, I dont like clubs and pubs, so I feel meeting males this way is safe.

I think both parties have to be responsible, I am in the social work industry, and assure you that it is imperitive to keep yourself safe, if someone like me, I hope they will respect my wishes, as I will respect their's
Countess3

Posted by: countess3 at March 25, 2008 2:11 PM

Hi All,
Hope you had a happy time over Easter.
Just a few comments on the current blog topic. I'm not sure if sex on a first date would be for me these days as I am quite an emotional person (sadly that has often been my downfall in past relationships; some men don't think that sex has to "mean" anything, no matter how long you have been together)
However, I would think (being the cynic that I am) that a lot of blokes would be quite keen to try, as then they could decide if the woman was "good enough" to want to waste their valuable time on!! (Sorry to those fellas out there who don't think that way: but I would suggest you are in the minority!)
Of course, the same would also apply to some women as well!
If sex is the major "compatibility" you are concerned about in a relationship, then it stands to reason that you would want to get that out of the way quite quickly!
Although early sex isn't always the best indicator of how a relationship will turn out after the "first flush of love/lust" wears off, as those of us who have relationships that have lasted longer than a couple of years can attest to!

Marcus, I dare to presume that you are trying to have a legitimate conversation about the "myth of monogamy" or similar in an anthropological sense? If we are talking about this then, may I suggest that despite your reference to the larger sex organs in male humans; that as in other species it was the QUALITY males e.g .stronger, more virile,etc ,. who would have been sought after by the female species to father their children, and the weaker males (as in many species) who often ended up helping to be the nurturers of those children!!
Also the belief of most religions (certainly not just Western Cultures!) that womens' sexuality was/is something to be feared and subjugated, would stem from this basic fear of the less "quality" males of being cuckolded!
In the more "feminine" religions of centuries ago a pregnant umarried female would not necessarily have been "ostracised" or "blamed", she may well have been honoured!

I think the evolution of DNA testing has made men more accountable for their procreation, than they were in my teenage years when many girls miraculously "got themselves" pregnant while her last boyfriend or date strenuously denied any involvement!!

Also a certificate of health or whatever, may only be useful if you could be 100% sure that both people are (at least while having sex with each other) monogamous!!

Posted by: amberlight58 at March 25, 2008 1:40 PM

How long should you wait? Remember what you're mother said about waiting before going back in the water, at least let the meal go down first.

Does it matter on the first date? No, not to any male with a personality that has developed beyond the 10th grade, should it?

Promiscuity ranks alongside every other subjective social shackle.

Sexual health is more the point and the real focus of any debate of this nature. This should also include the benefits of a healthy sexual outlet as well as the doom and gloom aspects.

In short, think about what you really need and don't let the irrational endorphins involved with how we think the fairy-tale should develop interfere with the rational ones that just make you feel good.

Posted by: thesearcha at March 25, 2008 1:34 PM

sunkissed - I think it's probably a given that you need to be attracted to someone .... or is it? There in lies another question.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 1:22 PM

"However, yes it does change a "relationship" dramatically. I met someone off here and things seemed to ge going fine, swept me off my feet so to speak, however after we had sex the romance died. Why is that? What gave him the right to think that he had me now and no longer had to try?"

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 25, 2008 12:01 PM

sunrisesiesta - I think this just proves the point that two people can get on well but not get on well in the bedroom and that is why the question has been asked ... how soon should you find this out? Sooner or later? It's a good question.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 1:20 PM

Hi blueyes
I'm with you. The meet and greet(as I call it) over a cup of coffee. You can't always trust the written word as many spend time crafting their emails to elicit the desired response. I prefer to be able to see their eyes and yes read their body language. Trust is always such an issue.

By the way I am hidding my profile as I have to many contacts. It is getting out of control and I can't cope. I enjoy making new friends but encounter problems when what they desire is not on offer(a relationship). Can one of you please tell me how best to deal with such a situation. It ends up being an unpleasant ordeal and may result my departure from this site altogether.

Posted by: cautious08 at March 25, 2008 12:42 PM

>"Good questions but what are the answers?"

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 10:12 AM.
_________________________________

Comprehension lost between the wood and wine? Wood not seen because of the trees?

Aren't we being asked for some opinions, even answers on the above-posted topic?

A medical certificate is a good idea but only relevant up to the point in time the phlebotomist actually sucks out the fluids.
This also has a side-effect of br(e)aking that universally known, male instant-sex gratification trait.

What happened to past viewpoint where three months getting to know each other, before getting down to the nitty gritty, was considered reasonable?

Does that time frame change when one is likely to fall off the perch at any time, due to ill health and/or ageing factors?

Do women, threatened by the looming menopausal instant dried-up and wrinkled state, change their views on respectable time limits for going all the way?

Blimey, this questioning does seem to be infectious.
Is it also a sign of an ageing male taking on traditional habits of the fairer sex?

Posted by: justsaying at March 25, 2008 12:14 PM

Well MS...Apparenetly to be "sexually" active one must find a male who is both Attractive to one's self and "willing"...I seem to be able to find those who are willing but not those who are attractive (to one's self)? Hence my dilema...so actaully discussing whether to have sex or not...doesn't seem to be the issue ??

Well not for me anyway ;-)

Posted by: sunkissedqldr at March 25, 2008 12:03 PM

Hmm some interesding views have been express thus far. Slightsync I hear what you are saying and I'd have to agree - how long couples wait is certainly a "couples only" choice. However, yes it does change a "relationship" dramatically. I met someone off here and things seemed to ge going fine, swept me off my feet so to speak, however after we had sex the romance died. Why is that? What gave him the right to think that he had me now and no longer had to try? Also lies there was so many lies. No I'm not with him anymore. I can't abide by liars, I am an honest caring woman who believes I deserve that back. However, I can very happily report that he did not deter me (well not for very long) I braved RSVP again and have met another (much nicer) gentleman off RSVP - early days yet, however heres hoping.

Now in relation to laughsandtalks - hmm a bit taken aback by some of your comments. Are you saying that you personally believe women to be sluts if they have sex with men? I've been divorced for 10 years and have been celibate for 9 out of those 10 years. However, how can it be bad (I would not judge a women) if a women were to try and find a partner and it does not work out so they continue to try and find the "right" partner and may have slept with a few in the process of finding the "right" one. Some men are sluts learnt that one quite a few years ago....! Anyhow, just my two cents....

Posted by: sunrizesiesta at March 25, 2008 12:01 PM

Sleeping with someone on the first date I think would be extreme.

sunkissedqldr .... I'm sure you can remember.

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 11:50 AM

Allow me to re-parse the question into a statement:

"Sex: we should have it sooner or later".

Utterly childish and unworthy of me - I know - but considering how bleak my last relationship was on that front, let's be honest here - happy, confident, playful physical intimacy is a reasonable box to want to tick when you meet someone new.

How and when you get to that point is entirely down to the magic you and that new special generate. Don't let anyone rush you - and don't hold back, either.

Cheers

Posted by: littleraven at March 25, 2008 11:44 AM

Thank you Blueeyes1955....your response on my queries who's responsible enough to manage the couples income, least got some idea, cheers.

Posted by: aliane at March 25, 2008 11:41 AM

sunkissed.
Sex? According to the hocus pocus Scorpio women are ruled by their genitals my sister informs me.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 11:03 AM

Sex? What's that?

Posted by: sunkissedqldr at March 25, 2008 10:52 AM

Sex still comes with responsibilities even though most of it enjoyed by members here will be recreational. Condom wearing and avoiding anal sex are pretty obvious. Plenty of safe sex or relatively safe sex can be enjoyed without penetration. If someone showed me a clear health status report and I caught something should I sue her? Caveat emptor or something like that.
It is much more socially acceptable for men to be sexually active and for good reason.
Marriage and monagomy , monogamy especially, are relatively recent, artificial social constructs. It is no accident that male humans have by far the largest genitals of any primate and a huge sperm production capacity.
Women have to contend with the slut factor.
A pregnant woman with no male partner/provider/protedtor is a large potential social burden; or group/family clan/tribe problem in evolutionary terms. So much opprobrium is leveled at promiscuous 'irresponsible' women because this is understood implicitly but rarely articulated. Birth and disease control are easy for Western women now but the old rules still exist.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at March 25, 2008 10:35 AM

Hi guys,
I am back. I hope you all had a nice Easter.
Enjoy the new topic.
Cheers,
Karina

Posted by: rsvpproducttest at March 25, 2008 10:30 AM

Good questions but what are the answers?

Posted by: woodnwine at March 25, 2008 10:12 AM

I would be happy to meet a guy I was sexually attracted to, and of course attracted to intellectually and with a not opposing world view, but the guys I am attracted to are quite infrequent.
It is just as bad for a woman to be promiscuous as a man, but it seems that male promiscuity is expected (sometimes or at least by the media, if we look at Hollywood starlet wannabes etc) and even rewarded in Western society.(not blogger men of course)
How long people wait until they have sex surely depends on the couple themselves and the circumstances. On previous blogs it has been discussed that if sex occurs too early, the woman can invest too heavily emotionally and I really do not know about how things actually are with guys. I gather that quite a lot of men do not want flings but do want a long term relationship with companionship. Now I am not bothering with RSVP much and am engaging in the real world MORE, now that the one year online "relationship" ( it wasn't a relationship, I know that now) is over, and I am free, these are pertinent questions. No one should judge anyone else that is for sure but i hope to not encounter players.

This is what I tried to post on WICOE but the topic closed as I was posting:

We were posting in real time until recently but unfortunately we are ALL being moderated until the powers that be can find a way to stop some of the "nasties" that have a way of infiltrating the site.. No doubt we'll end up with a workable solution but in the meantime???

Anyway, enjoy and good luck with your search... "G"...

Posted by: amdoingit at March 24, 2008 4:42 PM

Hi amdoingit,
glad you had a good Easter. Once before I posted that RSVP could have an authentication system, similar to some non dating sites where contact with other members increases the members "authenticity" and they have verification systems. A person is verified by giving a mailing address, which is checked and if verified, it is a level of verification. Also if the person provides a credit card which matches the address, well that is a form of verification, of course it involves a payment. RSVP have us pay for stamps so they could include that in their verification. As finding a partner or even a friend is an important thing, RSVP or even using RSViP could provide some verification method as we pay extra to see who looked at our profile. Am 100% sure that one recent looker at my profile is not authentic and the writing style mimics someone I know already.The verification system i mention for a non dating site, has a padlock symbol and numbers 1-4 for various levels of authentication and each time another site member mets you, and verifies you, then another number is added to another contacts verification symbol which changes everytime 4 contacts who met u r added. also negative contact is noted.
I have met players and liars off the blog on RSVP but mostly my experience on RSVP has been positive. IMHO, having a psuedonym for blogging purposes could be OK if the person has already verified one email, and other address. Think in this day and age that RSVP could work out for our safety. Have 7 cubic metres of mulch arriving so have to go and attend to that. Happy blogging and I may come back in next uni break or see how I go. Not real time blogging makes for a different experience. Cheers from
slightsync

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at March 25, 2008 9:54 AM