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Hey Timewarp,
What happened to the young lady, who danced in the hall, did she catch up with the older man who sounds like a lover from her past life.

If you dont know, you may be able to make up something. It sounds like the older man may have wanted to keep in touch, and she was drawn to him anyway.

Posted by: virgil at February 27, 2008 9:10 AM

SS.

It’s not a matter of just going out with real women. It’s more that they need recovery time – something I learnt after each music festival.

She thought she had Some Life In Her Yet. Ho Hum.

So I says: Next week we duck down and dig our lost fortune at the rockies fest, nip down to Thedbro for their country music spectacular with Gary Allan, back to Byron for the Bluesfest, down to Tasmania and the Barossa in April deviating into every nook and cranny, and you can cycle the Nullabor, or do you really want to do the Cape York experience, up to Cairns in May, round Australia in June and July, Broome , jumping dolphins at Monkey Mia, wildflowers, Rottnest, blah blah, Gympie Muster in August, overseas to England and France and Tuscany and Germany and Prague, Provence in Sept, Bathurst and Indi in October, down to Victoria for the Great Victorian Bike Ride in November, I’ll let you see your offspring for Christmas, then Woodford in January and let’s do it all over again- now how much money did you say you had? What you’re broke! Oh dear, then it’s fruit picking for you then sweetie (whilst I watch with beer in hand- she has to pay her way- like watching her cycle the Nullabor, the Simpson Desert, Cape York, southern France- I’ll just drive the support vehicle with beer fridge, or in the case of Fwance, snooze at the next vineyard rest stop).

Never again will any woman on rsvp advertise that they “want to travel” Now did I forget anything in that itinerary. Yes. Another 50 overseas destinations. But I didn’t want to shock her. Her head was spinning as it was and she was heading for the isolation ward with post traumatic stress disorder from meeting one of the maddest males on rsvp (and that was without even being dragged to Australia’s most haunted cemetery). Actually she wants to ski (snow that is, her last broken leg didn’t teach her a lesson), sail a yacht, nothing under 60ft and a $1m,, cruise the Mediterranean and Greek Isles, climb Mount Everest, traverse the Sahara on foot, so she gets her own back in her own way (there’s no beer fridge top of Everest)

Posted by: neuroticfish at February 27, 2008 6:34 AM

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 26, 2008 3:58 PM

No blueeyes1995 I would not decline a date based on their astrological sign. I notice if they are certain ones, that often turn up in friends and people I just meet randomly. I do not really look at the star sign on a profile...do you?

SSC

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 27, 2008 1:48 AM

Well, for any woman who wants a Date of a Lifetime, I am prepared to accompany you to the most haunted Cemetery in Australia. Noone yet has survived a whole night and not done a runner (well- that should suit all those women who do perpetual runners on their men).

Your reward if you succeed is- a free year off rsvp in an isolation ward recovering from post traumatic stress disorder from meeting eccentric men who propose weird dates.

Posted by: neuroticfish at February 26, 2008 7:36 AM

Sounds like more fun than my recent online dating experience. Are you saying you are eccentric NF...or are you referring to others? Perhaps Marcus could go also in a non dating capacity as the debunking prescence. It would have to be videoed also.Maybe the ghosts would run away in terror from RSVP bloggers. RSVP will post a spooky tour up soon, you wait and see.

Good on you NF for at least going on dates and fitness jaunts with real live people and getting offline.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 27, 2008 1:44 AM

The day of Weeping, Doom for the final day!!!

" So Be It "

This is for you Marcus....

Posted by: aliane at February 26, 2008 2:15 PM

So lets be nice to each other now..........oh dear Aliane...you would make a good preacher..and I mean that in a nice way. Your own TV show....better than Benny Hinn!

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 27, 2008 1:32 AM

Hi SlightSynC...

Ha ha!...surely, I will visit you in Adelaide, before I die in 40 years time from now,..I will proved the paranormal ghost but not spooky...nice one, I won't frighten you. Practice the Numerology's Astrology, as I will give you, 6 numbers to win Lotto first division. So you and your loving mate can jet-set around the globe, Romance in Air. :))

Gee, I can be the longest blogger in 40 years. RSVP bloggers book of record, unbeatable.

I hope and pray to your new man now, with mutual chemistry, happiness and twilight zone...:)))

Visit me in Sydney before 40 years then...

Posted by: aliane at February 26, 2008 12:55 PM

Hi Aliane..well if you have found me a man, you had better provide his name and phone number as I am unaware of him right now. Thanks for your support. Sure I will visit you in Sydney before 40 years is up...even on my budget that should be possible. Yes I suspected that if you visited me as a spectre..you would be friendly of course : ))

Romance in Air sounds interesting and I will not comment on that as of course I have silly thoughts. I will pray that you find your soul mate Aliane.

And someone asked if we all thought we were waiting for "The One", I think...someone special and in a whole world you would expect you could get on real well with more than one person...but its timing, surely. Some people have one great love in their life and some have several. There is a saying about people being in your life for a reason, a season and some people are in your life for a lifetime. A blogger may know the quote. I had a great love for a short time once as he rekindled his desire for someone he loved since age 13, and she started chasing him. So one significant love that I can think of for about a year..the measuring stick is the passion that we had, I suppose. Can not really count my ex-husband either. There is no rush.............

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 27, 2008 1:29 AM

Amber @ 2.09pm and Marcus just before:

I posted at 2.34am that I'm personally not worrying much about the afterlife/lives - just trying to live as good a life as I can, and then see what results, at the time.

Because of what's come up today, I'd like to add a couple more points:

1) The 72 virgins: My muslim tradie told me they aren't just your average virgin, mate. While the hero who's taken out the infidel or 300 is working his way through the pack, every perforated hymen is busy growing back like a lizard's tail, just in time for our hero to have a ripping time all over again.

Maybe that's why they need the 72, to keep up with him. If he's macho enough to kill people, he'd be sure to have quite a libido, eh?

This was all a bit too blokey for me - like eating the boiled paws, one a month, off live caged bears , or the raw brain out of a dead-drunk monkey. (Yes - they call us foreign devils and barbarians ...)

Next religion please.

2) The other afterlives on offer are less sexist, but the emphasis is still on the carrot-and-stick control of ignorant peasants. Anyone remember the movie "Brother sun, sister moon"? Marcus should have a loaner copy - it's far more telling than any of his sermons.

3) A year ago I decided that the buddhists may have the answer, thanks to RSVP.

I dated a woman with an enthralling life story. She was English-born, and had had many dreams as a young person about her previous life as a young scottish woman, about 25 years older. Vivid pictorial images of countryside and the insides of rooms in houses and other buildings.

On a ship from Australia to England in her 20s to do the european working holiday, she felt unusually drawn to an older man, and told him about her persistent dreams. After a while he began to cry.

He told her addresses for the places she had described, and his story. He was engaged to a young woman, but she broke the engagement to seek her fortune in New Zealand. On the way over, she was drowned off the west coast of Africa, about a year before the young woman was born.

She visited the places, and they were as her dreams, even the coating of dusty white powder in the hall where her previous self went for her last dance, before she sailed.

Now she knew it was a flour store beside the mill. And she searched and found newspaper reports of the loss at sea of the young emigrant.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 26, 2008 11:47 PM

ISTJ @ 8.12am: You are right and I sit corrected.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 26, 2008 10:47 PM

Copyright worry Kaz, would I make a ytpo like that

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 10:25 PM

Trouble is finding anyone older than me in any walk of life.

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 10:22 PM

Has anyone heard from MOAM4U, he seems to have gone missing.

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 10:19 PM

Thank you Marcus

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 10:14 PM

Oh dear Marcus, best l call the man up the street who is a sparkie in the morning to come and fix it then.........
See this is why we need men around, to give us a helping hand and advice when required.

Seriously will get on to it and ta ..............K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 26, 2008 10:12 PM

Not my doctor, AmberLight! He is 68. We were both attending a civic reception this evening (sounds grand, but wasn't). He rang me to say he was going to run cross-country there (13 kms) and could I pick up a change of clothes for him at his practice and meet him at the reception a little early so he could change before the 'do', then drive him home after. What a man!

Posted by: ninaschen at February 26, 2008 10:01 PM

Auntykaz.
You need a registered sparks for a short out like that. You are risking a fire and or electrocution. Make it urgent. When you ring, tell him you can smell burning.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 9:58 PM

The Wixard of Oz, OG??? Yeeha bring him on...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 26, 2008 9:44 PM

Kaz
Just think you may not be that far from the Wixard of Oz anyway!
LOL LOL LOL

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 9:39 PM

THe trouble is the older you get, the younger the tradies get! Have you ever noticed how even the doctor is younger than you are?

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 9:34 PM

More cute singe tradies , thats what caught my eye!!there really should be more of them in the world, I think they have all gone up nrth , out west, down south, because there arent many left here!!

Posted by: noname7 at February 26, 2008 9:30 PM

Hey Jen, maybe thats it.....more cute single tradies and less RSVP ;)

Posted by: jenjen57 at February 26, 2008 9:08 PM

Thanks guys for your advise re the washing machine. I know it is probably just some simple thing but you know how it is - yeah I must get someone out and then never do. lol. It's not even that old either - won it in a competition, so shouldn't be playing up.
Oh and re waiting for tradesmen to call. Just last night my plumber came back to talk completion of some roof plumbing he started before Christmas. Yeah, he arrives about 7.30pm while I'm enjoying my bath after a hard days work. Aargh! Got me in my dressing gown. lol. Damn shame he wasn't cute and single. (wink, wink)

Posted by: jenniferhi at February 26, 2008 9:01 PM

Marcus do you have a solution for a dicky dishwasher that keeps shorting out half the 3 phase power house????

MOTH, a tradie, has told me time and time again "mum don't get a sparkie in, so and so will come and do it".

Ahhh..... the tradies famous last words when it comes to problems in the home in which they live........

Am still waiting for promised sparkie to eventually arrive........ but in his absence, any advice is welcome.....l'm getting sick of re setting the safety switch...............K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 26, 2008 8:36 PM

Hi Jennifer :)

Posted by: jenjen57 at February 26, 2008 8:27 PM

Amber,
I really do not know why I responded that way and have been trying to remember when I did. I do know that what we do in this existence reflets on us when we finally do pass over. I have heard one person say she was shown the hall of reflections before being sent back. She would not elaborate any further. I have often wondered why no Clairvoyant has never claimed to have contacted the great monsters of history, to my knowlege anyway
Cheers OG
Ps the fish was ok, maybe in the resturant I would have had a look at the drinks on the table before serving. Now I am working on a receipe for doing a neuroticfish. LOL

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 8:19 PM

amberlight.
There is a very simple water level switch in most washing machines. Probably a dicky one what is wrong with yours. About 20 bucks to buy and 1/2 hr to fit.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 7:51 PM

You aren't kidding NF, there really is an Australian Yowie site. And an Australian Yowie Specialist. Long time between sightings though

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 7:30 PM

Well amber eyes,

You have to realise that my “Beloved” could hardly keep her cycling gear on long enough to complete much of her own personal Tour De France.

She regards Monogamy as a disease you catch if you have a stitch of clothing on.

France would be an even bigger smorgasbord than rsvp.

Think I’ll settle for a Ghost Tour of England’s Haunted Houses. We are discussing the paranormal here, aren’t we.

Posted by: neuroticfish at February 26, 2008 7:30 PM

Australia's most Haunted Cemetery? (Where is it by the way?) Rainforests inhabited by Yowies? Min Min Lights? Such exciting places to visit NF!
I can well understand your Beloved's need to cycle the South of France. By herself!

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 6:49 PM

Did you know that my favourite temperate rainforest retreat is the subject of numerous Yowie sightings

Two younger fellows heard strange noises in the bush surrounding the forestry huts and announced that they would be going back the Easter before last with video cameras and sound recording devices.

I thought I might help them along by adding some extra feed for the Yowie so she would come around the huts at night more regularly. I could just picture the pair of them racing down the mountainside at midnight, absolutely terrified, at the slightest sound, let alone when she actually comes around and roars (yes, it is a She and she is very lonely. My mate tried to get her registered on rsvp once to find her a soulmate but the powers that be decided that they already had enough Yowies on rsvp

I nearly got Madam to the top of the Mountain the trip before last- it�s a great place to run around nekked- and she sheds her clothes at a moment�s notice- more so if there is a camera present.

But then again I also suggested numerous other �exciting� trips- like chasing the Min Min Lights, followed by hot artesian mud baths at Yowah (nekked of course- always some rhyme and reason to this sort of thing). She says: �What�s wrong with an overseas trip anyway. Blow your Min Min Lights. I just want to cycle the south of France!�

Women!

Posted by: neuroticfish at February 26, 2008 6:27 PM

OG,
If you experienced what you did and personally know others who have experienced even more, then how can you say that there is nothing? Or is that only for the non-Christians?

Jen, mine started doing the same, the water wouldn't turn off (well only when it felt like it!) we have a rebate in SA for new water-saving washing machines of $200.00, so by the time I factored in the cost of repairs it was cheaper to get a new one! I'm not sure where you live (I haven't checked out your profile yet) but I know that SA is pretty 'economical' compared to the eastern states when it comes to water saving rebates, so yours could be even more generous

OG that fish sounds quite delicious!

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 6:05 PM

Auntykaz,
I must have been given your virgo trait then. I keep my cupboards very tidy. I am red headed aries and people think I should be fiery tempered. Nothing could be further from the truth.Maybe the hair colour cancels out the aries bit. I'm sure we all have traits of each sign in our personalities. Mind you I seem to pick on Libras for some reason-and I didn't know their star signs in teh first place. Two very good male friends of mine turned out to have their birthdays on the same day.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 26, 2008 5:43 PM

Now I have to go and bake this beautifull young Schnapper in Lemongrass and butter with just a touch of garlic and celery salt, garnished with mild chilli with a side of Med salad. Later maybe.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 5:43 PM

Interesting comment Marcus,@ 4.37 science is now how old, when we came down out of the trees? Would it not be more like observing which is the prerequisit of learning. Which I would presume is the forerunner of science.
Cheers OG,

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 5:30 PM

Kenny, 72 virgins would wreck even the most dedicated man surely??? Mentally as well as physically.........

Sorry oldergent l have no tale to tell re seeing the light, have lived a fairly safe life so far.....

Blueeyes l don't look at starsigns as l have no interest in them...people say to me that l'm a typical Virgo, to which l usually reply "and what is that?".
Someone once told me that Virgo's are anally tidy with their kitchen cupboards.....
Well not me.

Oh dear l have led a sheltered life...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 26, 2008 5:19 PM

Jenniferhi,
have you checked your filters and your overlow outlet, the other thing is you may have a sensor failing, washing machine mechanic needed, (another chance to meet someone?)
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 5:18 PM

Hi Amber. Well can't really sort it out, just clean up the mess. lol. For some silly reason, sometimes it overflows and sometimes it doesn't. Go figure. I need to be right at the machine as it nears filling to cut off the water. Of course on the days I don't - are the days that it overflows.

JenJen - I tried to get that name when I registered. lol. I often get called that. Nice to say hello to another Jen.

Posted by: jenniferhi at February 26, 2008 5:05 PM

Now there are you out there reading this that have had the experience. Come forward there are so many stories to tell and so much hurt and pain to ease.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 4:53 PM

blueeyes,
Not a question but a comment. I was not conscious of a body, but could see, had complete recall of this existence, did not feel great sorrow at passing over, but a great peace to know that I had another existence to come, at the first glimpse of the light I was back on the floor of the ward. I have spoken to others that progressed much further than me (before you start Marcus, stop listen then you may learn something you may need later in life) Those that got all the way reported nothing but the feeling of absolute love. One man said he seen his wife and daughter as he remembered them before they died, his son killed in the same accident had progressed on to the next existence. He was sent back and now works as a councellor on suicide watch. It is no wonder that many who have had the experience do not come forward, but someday walk with me and if you are lucky you will see what I am saying.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 4:46 PM

Riversong 4:12.
Get it right. Science has known for eons that the earth is a sphere. Your savannah dwelling ancestors were able to observe the circular shape of the earth's shadow on the moon and make that deduction.
Magellan proved it and discovered America.

The irrational christian religions holy ghost decided a flat earth better suited their brainwashing routine and tried to set science and exploration back even further.
Yes and you have just made a motherhood statement about scientific logic.
What is your point?

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 4:37 PM

Amber, what awaits, nothing.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 4:22 PM

Think, 72 virgins in heaven and your not allowed to touch them ( no sex in heaven please) a suitable punishment for a suicide bomber ?
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 4:20 PM

Laughsandtalks - science is based upon hypotheses, that if not disproved, become "theories" and accepted as "fact". Theories hold "true" until something comes to light to challenge them, that they can't explained within their paradigms.

Once upon a time it was accepted scientific "fact" that the earth was flat, because no-one up to then had managed to cirvumnavigate it, in order to disprove it..

Just because something has not yet been done, doesn't mean it never can or will be - basic principles of scientific logic :)

Posted by: riversong1 at February 26, 2008 4:12 PM

I was told by an elderly lady whose cousin( from the earlier story I blogged) that when you die you can choose to stay at the age you were when you died or choose to keep aging. Wonder how old you can grow to be in heaven?
OG Have been thinking about the next question. Was going to ask whether bloggers here would choose or reject a possible RSVP connection simply by their star sign? I sometimes do look at the compatibility but really feel that if I look hard enough I have traits of all the star signs.But I certainly wouldn't make a decision on the compatibility rating.Still enjoying this topic though. What's your next question OG?

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 26, 2008 3:58 PM

Jen, Did you sort out that wretched washing machine?

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 3:44 PM

THat's a scary thought, (the surprise factor) Virgil, although I suppose we all have to come to terms with our mortality one day, hopefully in the future! It would be nice if it's a PLEASANT surprise (I wonder what does await the non-believer?)

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 3:41 PM

Come to think of it amberlight58 72 virgins would probably be suicide ayway

Posted by: abckenny at February 26, 2008 3:33 PM

Me either virgil........quite happy to hang around here (on earth NOT rsvp) for another 50 years !!!

Posted by: jenjen57 at February 26, 2008 3:33 PM

Whatever we meet when we die and pass on will be a huge surprise, Jesus spent 3 days somewhere before his resurrection, maybe that was like a transition place sort of to prepare us for the next step?

Not in a real hurry to find out.

Posted by: virgil at February 26, 2008 3:27 PM

Sorry abckenny,
Don't you have to be a Muslim extremist suicide bomber to be rewarded with 72 virgins?

Istj,
That is the reason I've never been interested in going for a "reading". I think I'd rather keep hoping for the best, you know, tomorrow is another day....... I think appreciating what you have and taking each day as it comes works best for me.
I'd like to think that if I'd been "good" that I could get to choose my visitors!!

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 3:26 PM

Raisins...OH no ...well then I'm not going.

Posted by: abckenny at February 26, 2008 3:25 PM

Virgins kenny ?? I thought it was raisins..........

Posted by: jenjen57 at February 26, 2008 3:17 PM

The thought of a heaven is a very interesting concept.Will I be reunited with my loving wife and mother of my children or will it be my cheating ex wife and her new partner?
What will my dearly departed father now make of his favourite daughter in law?
Will I even care as I make my self acquainted with those 72 virgins that await me?

Posted by: abckenny at February 26, 2008 3:09 PM

I think all of these psychic, or after death, things are wonderful only in theory if we have ultimate control of the things happening or the people we see. When we think of them, we think of only the people we want to see again...but we would not have control and would be faced with the "family reunion" scenario?...rsvp...no thanks...just death with nothing sounds fine.

Also with the psychics and mediums...great when it is good news or warnings that come in time...but what about constantly hearing bad stuff that may happen to you and your friends or family?...devestating...even if it never happens...most people just want the good stuff but life is a mixture of both...do we really want to know it all before it happens?

Posted by: istj54 at February 26, 2008 2:53 PM

You don't mean like a "family reunion" do you, ISTJ. Mmmmm, I might need to re-think things!

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 2:45 PM

I somehow don't think we will be able to pick our visitors, amberlight58...there are sure to be a few we would rather not see again:)

Aliane...have you been watching I Am Legend?

Posted by: istj54 at February 26, 2008 2:41 PM

Thanks Aliane.
I am quite a nature and architecture buff so the wild jackals and building ruins would be interesting.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 2:38 PM

Oh, just saw something so funny. (Well to me anyway.) Lol. Is on a new male members opening line.
"Live life like you were dying."
Think he means like you were to die tomorrow. (hee hee)
Am I wicked?

Hi to you too bm and thanks for welcome.

Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at February 26, 2008 2:37 PM

But ISTJ, although I enjoy solitude too, you might appreciate the odd "visitor" in your everlasting stay in the whatever!!

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 2:35 PM

To jenniferhi...Hi Jennifer! :-)
To aliane...thankyou.

Posted by: bm1960 at February 26, 2008 2:25 PM

Imagine the absolute horror of it...arghhhhh...all those souls of the faithful departed together for a catch-up...just like at an rsvp social night we would all be running for the exit...even if they were family and loved ones.

Posted by: istj54 at February 26, 2008 2:17 PM

Hi Marcus,
Well as I intend on being cremated, they probably wouldn't recognise my pile of ashes anyway!!
Seriously? You raise an interesting question. I'm not so sure about the "bodily incarnation" that the Bible talks about and which I suppose, is why some people are horrified at the thought of cremation. I'm thinking more of the spiritual or what is known as souls meeting up again (I know it probably sounds completely flaky!)

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 2:09 PM

Hi All,

Absolutely Marcus, all religious belief has its basis and foundation due to superstition.

Regardless of whether virgin births are possible or not, the fact is that if Jesus, or anyone else for that matter, were not a first child then the birth could not be from a virgin (unless of course ALL were virgin births and, if you believe the bible text, we know that is not true).

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at February 26, 2008 2:07 PM

Amberlight.
The ubiquitous religious promise you will meet with other dead relatives is part of the game.
If your rello's and friends died of old age or illness or accident, what sort of knick would you expect to find them in after death? Perfectly reconstituted or as they were at death? Serious question.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 2:01 PM

Aargh - See as soon as I join the blog - A Sign. Just flooded the whole laundry. Bloody washing machine. Someone/something telling me to get off this computer and pay attention to what is going on around home. lol.
But seriously - how could all this be if there was not a deeper, universal 'something'.
Be it whatever our own belief system can accept.
For me - too many incredible paranormal events prove there is definately more. Seek and we shall find.
But of course, everyone is on their own journey. Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at February 26, 2008 2:01 PM

Hello All,
I spend the night putting together one of those metal shelves with a hundred nuts and bolts for my garden shed, and what happens? You have an interesting and fiery discussion!
I am amazed when I hear of people who have had some type of "psychic" experience, because I can't remember ever really having such a feeling. Except when I was about 16. My parents were looking at a small farm in the Sanderston area of South Australia (we moved a LOT when I was growing up!). We walked into this really big old house and I immediately felt very uncomfortable. By the time we walked into this area that had been made into a courtyard between the house and an old shed or something, I had such a sense of dread I had to get out of there! Every hair on the back of my neck was standing up and I just felt terrified. My heart was pounding and even after I got out of there it took several minutes before my sense of panic subsided. I have no idea why this happened and I have never felt like that in another house again. Though I often noticed (as we moved so often) that different houses seem to have different atmospheres. Some feel bright and happy, some feel miserable and heavy, some feel okay. (Of course, this probably means that I am just an an eccentric, bordering on insanity)

As far as beliefs are concerned, I am quite happy if people believe what ever they want to. The only time I feel threatened by someone's beliefs is if I feel that they are hurtful to another person or inflicting unneccessary hurt and pain on an animal.
I am not religious, but I believe there is much more to this world than we know about. My younger son believes strongly in God and Jesus, and I encourage this as I have seen the comfort that religious faith brings to those who have lost someone or who are dying themselves. By the same token, I have seen people who are quite happy to die as non-believers.
The only thing I dislike about Christianity is the emphasis on Jesus dying for our sins. If you truly believe in Jesus, then any horrible thing you have done in your life will be forgiven and you will ?enter the Kingdom of Heaven?. I think I prefer the religions that make you a little more accountable for your actions!!
I guess like VIrgil and like most of you, my only wish when I die, would be for me to meet up again with those friends and family who REALLY liked me or loved me. So meeting up with my mum and dad and some relatives again may be more like Hell than Heaven!

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 26, 2008 1:50 PM

factsfirst.
A virgin birth is parthenogentic and quite common and sensible in nature. I don't know of any human examples but there was a good story about a female Komodo dragon who did same in London Zoo. I don't think she was intent on starting a reptile religion. Mind you some animals, reptiles have 'supernatural powers' and can store sperm for months or longer.
As far as I am concerned Jesus was merely a hypothetical spearhead for the crazy beliefs made in his name, but it would raise some interesting genetic questions re Mary.
Ha Ha cheers

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 1:44 PM

OG.
Religion was in this discussion from the word go.
Valentine's Day is a Catholic Saint's feast day that had been superimposed over a perfectly good Roman celebration date.
There is no greater repository of cant and superstiton mental and physical intimidation and supernatural belief rubbish than found there. Miracles? The church does not even know who he was or what the hypothetical St Valentine did but snuffed out a pantheon date anyway...
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 1:37 PM

Am so enjoying this topic. Wish perhaps I had joined the blogging community earlier than this. Will see if I am allowed to join and then maybe get amongst the fun.
I follow other blogs on-line and am involved with those - where does everyone get the time? There simply isn't enough hours in the day. Jen

Posted by: jenniferhi at February 26, 2008 1:30 PM

istj,
just a note in case you misread my last comment, I meant thank you for the clarity and good sense of your comment.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 12:32 PM

Following Jesus to me has a much different interpretation to that of Born Again Christians who use everything as a method of control.
I like Timewarp's explanation of Jesus as a McGregor figure Y person who said care about the environment, and love your fellow people as yourself, dont be a dorrmat.

The example of letting go one's possessions i feel has much relevance to today, when we hold on to so much clutter and find it very hard to let go of.

The Gospels show Jesus obtaining Divinity at 3 different points, one says he was born divine, another says he achieved divinity when baptised, and a third says he was made divine on resurrection.

What does this mean?

I don't know, but I suspect it means something different to each of us.

Posted by: virgil at February 26, 2008 10:37 AM

The marriage of religion and state the occurred under the rule of the Roman emperor Constantine in the year 396AD, was pretty much under the idea that if you cant beat them, join them.

Nowhere in the bible is given the birthdate of Jesus. Now if God thought this to be important, for the birthdate of the central figure of the whole book, then we can be absolutely assured, it would be there.

The date chosen for Jesus' birthday was of course the existing celebration of the winter solstice (lets not waste an existing festival here).

Most bible students put the birthdate of Jesus around October 2BC this matching up with verifiable facts like how long King Herod had been on the throne and Roman Governors of the time.

Clearly, the day a person is put to death, is the same day each year, but wily old Constantine had an existing festival for this to be lined up with.
I think this festival had something to do with fertility etc, hence the rabbit and the egg.
Again lets incorporate existing festivals and clearly this one had to do with the moon, and fertility.

Posted by: virgil at February 26, 2008 10:13 AM

I do not know how Religion, got into this debate, the Para Normal has nothing to do with any religion, Now that it seems to be the main topic I am out of this one.

istj. sanity at last, Marcus I have never denied Science, nor have I said that the para normal it is the end all and be all to peoples problems. They exist and to shut your mind to them is as stupid as denying science. Now that the one unwinable debate subject has arrisen.

blueeyes, Whats the next subject?

Posted by: oldergent at February 26, 2008 9:45 AM

Morning all....I have something to share...Yesterday morning my calendar fell off the wall. My 99 year old Granda passed away yesterday afternoon. May he rest in peace. I am Irish born and bred and somewhat superstitious...and when a picture or calendar falls, it usually portends a death....so, I am rather open minded when it comes to physic stuff....

Posted by: bm1960 at February 26, 2008 8:48 AM

Virgil...my son came up with a good one the other day about Easter/Ressurection...wanted to know why it is a different date every year...I said it was determined by the first full moon after Christmas(? not real sure) and he found this interesting to say the least...questioned why Jesus rising should be a different date each year...Astronomy as part of religion????

Marcus you are arguing the logical against the emotional...a no win situation as Kaz said...I, personally, see both sides of the coin having experienced psychic stuff myself, but know that there is probably no evidence to support such beliefs and it could all just be coincidence...eerie/spooky nonetheless...electromagnetic fields can cause many of the paranormal phenomena too but it is all interesting stuff...I do believe that many people are gifted with psychic abilities and I do believe there are many charlatons out there only too willing to defleece the unsuspecting who are desperate for answers to their problems...tread carefully those people.

Also, personal insults have been hurled from both sides of this debate...just my observation from reading a few days postings...another observation is that the people on the majority side tend to insult with impunity.

Posted by: istj54 at February 26, 2008 8:12 AM

I disappear for a few days with my Beloved (that’s her vomiting in the background when she hears what I am calling her)(oh and merrily mobiling her next date asking to be rescued post haste) and I come back and you are all talking paranormal stuff.

Well, for any woman who wants a Date of a Lifetime, I am prepared to accompany you to the most haunted Cemetery in Australia. Noone yet has survived a whole night and not done a runner (well- that should suit all those women who do perpetual runners on their men).

Your reward if you succeed is- a free year off rsvp in an isolation ward recovering from post traumatic stress disorder from meeting eccentric men who propose weird dates.

Posted by: neuroticfish at February 26, 2008 7:36 AM

Marcus @ 2.39am: Now you're fair dinkum. And right about anecdotal evidence. You need a fair bit of it, each carefully documented at the time to satisfy evidencial requirements and sceptical third parties.

But not many carefully-documented first-hand experiences in one lifetime to satisfy this old geezer that telepathy does work, somehow or other.

Before I die I hope to read that they've identified the mechanism, and what it is.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 26, 2008 3:54 AM

Slightsynch: I believe the two phenomena are different examples of the same mechanism, which I in my ignorance call telepathy. (The Irreverend Marcus may know a more specific name for this phenomenon, whose very existence he has been denying all day.)

1) You look at her hair from the back with no agenda, except to prove that when you do that, they somehow know and look around. She nearly always notices, without seeing you, that someone/something (could be a lion or a mugger) is looking at her hair and thinking about her. So she checks who/what is focussing on her, so she'll know how to react, and with how much urgency.

I look at her convexity without her seeing me do it. (It's rude to be noticed, staring.) She senses not only that someone is looking at her, but where they are looking, and because it is presumably a stranger, she is modest and covers up the target area.

I believe both situations scientifically prove the existence of telepathy, by Marcus's correct criteria (repeatability etc.)

The intellectual problem for me is when the target doesn't react. This is where the guesswork comes in. Occasionally the woman you look at, Sue, does not turn round. Is she preoccupied, so that sensor's turned off at the moment? Or she senced, but her preoccupation drowned out the signal? She sensed you, but consciously chose not to look round? Because she felt safe and secure enough then and there, not to need to know? Because she was embarrassed by the attention, and didn't want to let om that she'd noticed?

Very rarely, my target does not react either. Why not? Receptor switched off? Proud of her figure, and the more people that admire it, the better? Embarrassed to show that she noticed?

If you think the hand raised to hair or face is to groom there and not to provide a block, why is it always the hand on my side, or the handbag moved from the other side to my side? Coincidence? I don't think so.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 26, 2008 3:22 AM

Timewarp1.
If you contact me off line I can direct you to plenty of scientific papers on studies of the paranormal. Standard telepathic tests using Zener cards and Ganzfelds test are among them. You will probably have to pay for the Journal downloads for most of them.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 2:39 AM

Fellers

How many angels can fit on the head of a pin? That was the biggie Christian debate about the 6th century, I believe.

I have a busy life, and see Jesus' main contribution to civilisation, ie. the improvement of THIS life for everyone THIS time around, as arising from His being the first exponent of what McGregor called theory Y.

The previous religions were theory X like the Qld. criminal code - a list of a limited number of DO NOTs, and leave the rest to chaos.

Jesus pointed us towards 2 things which I interpret as
1) Care enormously about the universe and its parts, and protect it and them from all assaults
2) Care about everyone else as much as you care about yourself, and act accordingly, ie. don't be selfish - or a doormat.

That's what I try to focus on, day to day, not on the authenticity of His place in the Holy Trinity.

When I die, most religions suggest that I will then be rewarded somehow if I've lived a virtuous life, and punished if I've lived a selfish life.

The Prophet was a very randy man and he came from a shepherd society, with many ewes for each ram, so his view of Paradise was rather blokey.

But he did go to a lot of trouble to try to include in his list of Dos and Donts, all the best he could find in the Jewish religion, and in the Christian. Like me, he reckoned that a good idea didn't care who had it, as long as it got used.

I don't think about the afterlife/lives very much. Carrots and sticks are for slaves. Theory X stuff to make you behave, this time around.

My focus is to keep satisfying myself that I am worthwhile, because I'm behaving well, as often as I can. Which requires me to behave well today. And tomorrow. If I do, the day after that can take care of itself.

I don't need to be satisfied of the credentials of the gurus (religious or secular) who had the good ideas on how to live a life you can be proud of.

I just want to get on with living that sort of life.

My mum said civilisation was the bye-product of most of the people being well-behaved most of the time, and I want to live a life that helps that process. Simple as that.

Past my bedtime. Night night.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 26, 2008 2:34 AM

timewarp1...the womens psychic or intuitive reaction to your bust ogling is amazing. I have to agree with marcus. That is so funny. Well done for noticing but are you sure they are not just fixing their hair.Perhaps it is coincidence.

When you stare at the back of someones head (not me, I don't do that) why do they often sense it and turn around? Marcus you may know this...it surely happens.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 26, 2008 2:31 AM

Timewarp1.
By zip up your fly I meant you had your hand on your old boy and it was time to let go. It is a mildly derogatory colloquialism. The next bit of the expression says you are cracking a dry horn. You were waffling and obfuscating and trying to put the burden of proof on me when I was sceptical about your tea leaf story. It also seemed an appropriate comment after your lions, bandits and hair on end reference, the muggers you fought off in Central Park and the parallel evolution theory of the Diprotodon and Rhinoceros. Not to mention the telepathic warning transmission of your bust ogling propensity.
Mate, I am not making any supernatural claims at all. They are popping up all over the place around me. I just want some reasonable evidence of the operating mechanism to convince me how the position of tea leaves say are a reliable predictor of distant events. I'm waiting.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 2:12 AM

Some things in life are just mysteries....

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 26, 2008 2:01 AM

Re: Post by: virgil at February 26, 2008 12:21 AM.

Not intended as a criticism of anyone's belief's or non-beliefs but medically/technically, a virgin birth is possible.
Not just through today's modern invitro test tube conceptions, either.

Just think about it for a minute, or longer if the grey and white cells can't breach the gap.

Posted by: factsfirst at February 26, 2008 1:23 AM

Virgil,

There's more to worry about than your post of 11.02pm.

It is almost a foregone conclusion that if Jesus actually even existed then he was not the oldest in the family, therefore....virgin birth?? Additionally, the dogma now goes that he is not the son of god, but god incarnate. If this is true then how the hell did he die and get resurrected....who or what resurrected him if, as the dogma says, he is god incarnate and died??

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at February 26, 2008 1:02 AM

TLD: Several times I had to call out "Touche, Ms Puddytat."

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 26, 2008 12:51 AM

Where would we all be without Marcus?

We would all roughly agree, would that be boring?
I don't know, maybe we could investigate the bible as text, written by the dominant culture?
Or maybe whether I will come back as a fly in my next re-birth.
Maybe we can get a "Born Again" Christian to debate with Marcus, it would be interesting, although nobody else would get a word in.

Posted by: virgil at February 26, 2008 12:48 AM

SSC Sorry to disappoint but I don't do profile rewrites and I can confirm that men who do not keep their dicks in their dacks are abundant, normal and healthy. No sane red blooded bloke is going to wait years on a promise from a women he has never met 10000 miles away. My advice for you is to find a lover a bit closer to home, like within about 10k. Even if he is not ideal it will be a lot easier.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 2:43 AM

Cheers Marcus..well he was due to come to Australia in April but has taken up with someone he met on holiday for 5 days and is now going to live with her. We both like words and seemed to have an OK thing going. 1 1/2 months is not that long to wait, and of course he still wants to meet me (he says??) and no I do not just want a lover, but thanks for the suggestion, friends and workmates say it all the time. And 10 km away..well I am barely home..would that be to maximise my time?? It has to be special or it ain't happening. Now I am reading that Stephen Pinker book. See how that goes, I may learn something.

Phenomenae: When my cousin died, I am 100% sure I felt it. I could not stop thinking about her for yours...while I was trying to read a book. Then at 5.am approx I just had this terrible feeling and awareness that something bad had happened to her.Then about 7.30am my Mum rang to say she had heard my cousin had died around 5am.

A friend did my tarot recently and 4 of the cards were about finances. Basically if I worked real hard and was careful with money, then all the other areas of my life would improve. Now I have two jobs and there is a light at the end of the tunnel and am motivated to travel OS. I do not want her to keep doing my tarot and that one was pretty good in the long term. Villa in Tuscany anyone. It does not hurt to dream...

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 26, 2008 12:41 AM

Marcus @ 10.24pm:

"Zip your fly up Timewarp." This is the second time you've said this today. Actually I'm not wearing one, Marcus. Only Chinese-made lounging boxer shorts, with a modesty button instead, so can't oblige you: the button is done up already.

I guess you were really using the classic old retort of "Shut ya gob!" which illiterate people have always used when they were beaten in an argument, because they had no logical answer to the other person's points, so it was easier to try to shout them down.

You've just lowered the site down from the mouth to your personal focus.

At 2.55pm you'd claimed "All the controlled studies have failed to come up with any support for your idea (the reality of telepathy), and despite big prizes and first rate facilities; nothing."

I'd asked you @ 10.12pm to cite the scientific authorities who had conducted these famous studies that had debunked telepathy, and your answer is "Zip your fly up Timewarp."

Marcus, you are no fun at all to debate with.

You're not a genuine scientist, or even a science reporter, upholding science against counter-attacks by religion or the occult, or you'd be quick to legitimise all your claims on behalf of science by citing your authorities for each scientific claim that you've made, even before that self-justification was demanded by your more-scientific opponent.

No, you're a typical religious ratbag, Marcus, full of nothing but hot air, like the barber's cat.

You accuse religion of preaching the unproveable, and like any insult, it's also a self-description.

You're just preaching anti-religion, and making a very poor job of it - totally unconvincing, because you keep on pontificating instead of proving. Exactly what you accuse the religions of.

But I'm glad my tealeaves story (1.13am, 25th) has appealed to you, and thank you for your earlier acknowledgement of that, cf. your later "50 year old anecdotes don't qualify I'm sorry."

Nor do your empty, unproven iconoclastic sermons, Marcus, and I'm not wasting any more time giving you opportunities to get real and debate with us in a way that might sway this intelligent congregation to your way of believing.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 26, 2008 12:33 AM

auntykaz.
Perhaps your dying patient was thinking "thank goodness I won't have to look at that painting anymore"
Just as likely and no more or less discernable.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 12:28 AM

Or come to Adelaide and say hi while you are living Aliane !!!

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 26, 2008 12:21 AM

Absolutely MS, Anglicans are way different from the fundamentalists, who believe, if its in the Bible it must be literally true.

Anglicans have widely different belief structures, Bishop Spong writes very convincingly against the idea of a virgin birth.

It may well be that the notion of virgin birth was borrowed from the myths and ledgends of the past, in particular, Roman culture and the birth of Romulus and Remus.

Posted by: virgil at February 26, 2008 12:21 AM

f I die, let say in 40 years time from now...
then Raised your Hands who wants to see my Ghost Spirit. I will visit you after I die within 40 days, Believed Or Not, will proved it, when I passed away then post to blogs to witness if still online's rsvp exist. Ohhh very Spooky!!!.....

Posted by: aliane at February 25, 2008 11:12 PM

Aliane feel free to visit me when you die but be nice and I sure hope I am not on the blog in 40 years time...no offence anyone.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 26, 2008 12:20 AM

Weta..
what a shame you are looking for an older woman...LOL

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 26, 2008 12:18 AM

We have, as a society, come a long way, as science no longer rules unchallenged.

Maybe 40 years ago, bfefore the Beatles investigated Eastern Spirituality, no one would have challenged the notion that if we cant see it, smell it, touch it, or hear it, then it is not real.

On the surface, buddhism offers some really good insights into human nature, etc.

Where they lose me is they say a human soul is re-born at a maximum of 45 days after death.

I would like to believe that when I die, my family members who have gone before, will be there to greet me.

Posted by: virgil at February 26, 2008 12:14 AM

Virgil.
A lot of Anglicans seem to have trouble with the virgin birth. I listened to the head of the Anglican Communion ( is it Peter Carnley?) and he sounded quite embarrased speaking about the huge leap required to get over it.
The english churches a couple of hundred years ago were great promoters of science. Many clergy I suspect were atheists and used their stipends and facilities for scientific exploration, the equivalent of a modern research grant.Charles Darwin was a good example of this. Mendel the father of genetics was a Lutheran? monk. A terrible monk bty accounts but a bloody good researcher. The Catholics on the other hand had a much less positive view of scientifically inclined clergy
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 12:13 AM

Weta.
Science is not a religion or belief system because it doesn't come down to faith.
Science is based on verifiable evidence. Religion and the other paranormal and supernatural constructs trade on their lack of evidence.
If you have faith in something I cannot examine your reasons. If something is scientifically proven, anyone can view the evidence, read up on it.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 26, 2008 12:04 AM

MS,will read up on your answer tomorrow. Need some sleep to comtemplate my next question.
Restless- if you check in-taa for compliment-just too far away.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 26, 2008 12:04 AM

MS, can you explain your last question? The gentleman who found out that he had a brother following this meeting would not have been set up. He was actually quite ill at the time and the host would not have dreamed of doing anything as a joke that might upset him. The story was told to me in seriousness. There were no tangible objects used in the incidence, just the cousin saying that the deceased person ws contacting her and want ed to pass on the message to the gentleman visitor. These things make me keep my mind open.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 11:59 PM

blueeyes1955.
Re your anecdote earlier.
A chaneller eh? A bit hard to research who knew what and what was said etc. The cousin may have had a mischevious streak and organised a set up, etc.
What would you imagine the mechanism that a pile of babies bones, or ashes would use to communicate with the living?
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 11:54 PM

yes there is

Posted by: eapfanatic at February 25, 2008 11:54 PM

Is there a restless fellow reading these blogs tonight. Check in if you are. Adelaide is a little far for a social call.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 11:50 PM

I have a bit of a whinge session here .... have been on RSVP on and off for sometime now and find that the majority of men are ignorant, self centered and just plain rude. I understand that your photo may not be to their liking, but one would think that if you take the time to email or forward a 'kiss' that it is common courtesy to reply one way or another. I have not found anyone out of the ordinary on RSVP so who do they think they are ... certainly not God's gift. Men who are in their 60's don't even have the courtesy to reply to emails, what on earth is their problem. Come on guys, be a little respectful and common courtesy does go a long way.

Posted by: eapfanatic at February 25, 2008 11:35 PM

riversong, I can't agree more with you on your last comment about wanting to know more.The mere fact that we have inquiring makes us intelligent.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 11:34 PM

OK Timewarp1 - the parable of the five blind Indians:

Five blind Indians stumble across an elephant. The first grabs its tail. “An elephant is like a tassle” he says decisively.
The second feels it’s leg. “Don’t be ridiculous, any idiot knows it is like a tree trunk.”
The third blind Indian feels its ear. “You are both psychotic – it is obviously like a big flap!”
The fourth reaches for the trunk and shakes his head. “I can’t believe how stupid you three are – anyone can see it is like a hose.”
The fifth grabs it around the middle. “OMG you are all wrong – it is just like a big barrel!”

They sit and argue and curse each other for the rest of the day, each one knowing full well that they are “right” and how mistaken the others must be.

The more I know, the more I know I don't know, and the more I am prepared to listen to other points of view. :)

Posted by: riversong1 at February 25, 2008 11:30 PM

Out of curiosity , is there any bloggers there of the buddhist , hindu or other faith or have knowledge of , and want to or are game enough to add their tuppence? Again, I am only interested in different view points not in a slanging match.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 11:23 PM

thanks, aliane (just caught up with the posts here, it's a fair way back now!) Lovely, kind words.

I've really enjoyed the "spiritual" versus "fact" debate too. I believe there's a lot more going on in the cosmos than as mere mortals we're currently aware, but we get snippets of the possibilities from time to time. There is also a lot of "hocus pocus" (for want of a better phrase) too and people preying on vulnerability. It's important to maintain some critical thinking, but also an open mind....

Posted by: malsie at February 25, 2008 11:03 PM

I am of the Anglican faith, as that is one of the most liberal and questioning of the organized religions. I have faith in something, but feel when we fet to see the reality of the situation, when we pass from this world to the next, it wont be much like we expect.
We are told that the risen Jesus sits on the right hand of God the father.

This will be interesting to see, although I have questions, are these seats in the clouds?
Do passing aircraft cause any difficulties?
How many chairs are to the left?

Hmmm not really in a hurry to find the answers.

I certainly do not believe that we evolved from a single celled amoeba, as there is certainly much more intelligence in our design than we will ever possess.

Posted by: virgil at February 25, 2008 11:02 PM

Virgil, we are all saying what we believe, the fact that most disagree with Marcus is neither here nor there.

I actually have no belief in anything religious, psychic tarot, or anything, that is me and how l choose to think.

Simply saying that we all have a right to our thoughts and to voice them.......all of us. In an environment that is accepting of our right to express ourselves, whether we agree or not...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 10:54 PM

Lynath
Yes I am sure you have wondered "what if". I am just glad the reader we saw was so very very insistent with my MIL. It was much more than advice to see a doctor.So I now am not the sceptical total non believer that I was !!

Posted by: jenjen57 at February 25, 2008 10:51 PM

HI Bob,
actually I don't think that I have ever said that I believe wholeheartedly in any of this but the experiences I have had have certainly made me think about it. Human fraility will probably steer me to believing when i face the inevitable but at this stage I remain open to any stories or scientific discoveries that are presented.The stories don't prove it anymore than science can disprove some of them.It's all food for thought and it can certainly stimulate conversation as it has done here.
I must head off to bed soon and will come up with another question for tomorrow night if possible.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 10:49 PM

Valentines is time to commiserate for me because the one I love doesn't love me.At least I got to spend the evening with him sharing dinner and a good conversation.He doesn't know what he's missing out on.

Posted by: jetgirl43 at February 25, 2008 10:49 PM

Okay l will share a story that l have.

As some of you are aware l work with elderly people in an aged care facility.

Last year one of our ladies passed away and l was with her when she went.

As she was dying, not on Palliative Care or anything, so generally as alert as she could be, she was intently focusing on a painting on her wall, which l did notice even though it was a bit traumatic at the time.

As l mentioned this to her daughter, who missed her 96 year old mum's passing by only a few minutes, she looked at me with an "oh my god", look on her face.

Apparently it was the first painting that her husband had done over 70 years prior and given to her as a wedding present from him to her.

Some thought, as the daughter did, that she was seeing him as she was passing......
Well we will never know will we.

Working with the elderly can at times give me experiences such as this, and l say well if that helps them get through then okay, but as above, we will never know will we...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 10:48 PM

I would like to enter this dicussion on Marcus' side as he has the guts to go against everyone here in saying what he believes.

Personally I think runes are crap, but I am a regular, if sometimes infrequent church goer, who occasionally gets the Tarot cards out.

I'm not sure if I do it right, because if I dont like what the cards tell me, I re-shuffle them and do it again.

I suppose it would be hard on that basis to come down on Marcus's side.

Posted by: virgil at February 25, 2008 10:47 PM

Here's an example of how we look at things from different angles. My son,whom left home a few years ago tends to the gothic way of life. As a protest type reaction and to show his interest in gothic ways and anti-church etc, he went and had a tattoo of an upside down cross on the inside of his lower arm. He thought he was standing up for what he believed him. He felt a little silly when I asked him to hold his arm up because then the cross was in its correct position.
We all look at things differently.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 10:42 PM

Hi Blueeyes1955,

I am with Marcus in that I dont believe in any of this stuff, though it is yours and others right to do so and far be it for me to attempt to force my beliefs upon you or anyone else. However, I think you analogy of a person drawing their last breath is not a good one. Desperate people do desperate things when faced with their own mortality. Even the Roman Emporer Constantine (who was a fully fledged pagan, regardless of what you might be told by the church) converted to Christianity on his deathbed, not because he believed in one true god, but because he was covering his bases.....just in case.

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at February 25, 2008 10:40 PM

The thing is Marcus, they didn't and I was stuck with the situation. It does not work very well in a remote situation, as to the start of this with blueeyes, I felt the need to consult with them, that is all I did and then came back and tell her the answer I received. Now go back over this blog and look at the unsolicited stories that have come to light, as to the hocus pocus, from all of the experience I had after the operation, it has removed all fear of death, when it comes I can pass over in peace.
as I try to live this life, except for defending myself from unwarranted attacks on my integrity.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 10:38 PM

I think the stories here around predictions are providing some form of evidence ,at least enough to be unable to say for sure that it is all false.
Jen Jen the psychic I saw suddenly said "Tell your father to see a doctor"
My father at that time lived 1000kms away and I asked her why. She stated" I see something is not right with him. You must get him to see a doctor"
I thought about it for a short time and casually asked my Mum how Dad was only to be told he was fit and well, and .I fogot about it. My father never went to doctors unless absolutely necessary. Several years later my father was diagnosed, still with only vague symptoms and looking as well as ever, with well advanced cancer and he died not long after.
One day I found the box where I had thrown the tape from the reading years ago, and decided to replay it. When I heard those words again I couldn't help but wonder "what if"

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 25, 2008 10:37 PM

hey Lynath,
Its great to see the symbols of MiRC, here, shame we cant play somngs and MP3's in channel as well, they were good days.

I like to see posts by marcus, they are usually well thought out, and it takes courage to go against the grain.

I know, as in my church website, I was the first of several people who argued against saying sorry. I have since changed my mind on that issue, but what had looked like a non-issue, as all previous respondents had imagined there was no disagreement on the issue.
It was from my postings on the issue, that the website became more of a discussion forum, much like here.

Posted by: virgil at February 25, 2008 10:33 PM

marcus....science is just another construct and belief system......

Posted by: weta at February 25, 2008 10:32 PM

Hey fella feel free to ark up that is fine but you do not need to insult others here or anywhere else who have their own views.

Which of course goes for all of us lest l get called a bully or somesuch....but l digress as l often do......

They chose to share them with us for whatever reason, no one makes us read them.
That is our choice.
Wasn't it just a response by oldergent to another's question???

Like l said earlier, religion or politics equals argument. one that no one ever is gunna win.....

An interesting discussion though even so................K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 10:31 PM

Marcus, would you consider my earlier story of my hairdresser and her new client as observable proof. Obviously you only have my say so on this but it did happen only 5 weeks ago. I posted it last night at 10.08pm. It was only words I had to pass on, nothing tangible,but it certainly left me thinking.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 10:29 PM

Lynath,
I try not to resort to that kind of language,
No matter what the provocation LOL
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 10:27 PM

Sure OG. It may work in positive ways to prevent a suicide. So might a good talking to and some medication.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 10:26 PM

Zip your fly up Timewarp.
As I keep saying I am open minded, but it is incumbent on those making the extraordinary claims to provide some testable, observable proof. 50 year old anecdotes don't qualify I'm sorry.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 10:24 PM

Marcus,
I stand by my challenge, you proclaim the scientific, analytical, superior modern mind.

Prove me wrong or stop blathering on about a subject you know nothing about, I just read the runes in responce to an unknown question, how it works I don't know, but I have people who have been on the verge of suicide and after the reading got what ever answer they were looking for and decided to live. I do not like that situation because it puts me under tremendous pressure. What would you do Marcus? Tell them to rack off.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 10:21 PM

JenJen.
You are determined to be blonde aren't you? Going to a doctors for a check up is good advice for anyone. It is a pure coincidence. I hope you can self examine for BC.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 10:15 PM

At least Marcus you are upfront about your hobbies. Pasted from your profile "
Natural sceptic and enjoy debunking; including astrological, theist and New Age hocus pocus".
I wonder if you will feel the same as you approach your last breath. I have seen many elderly in homes who when really running out of time take a strong belief in the hereafter. I think that if you believe you are going to another place then leaving here is so much easier. What does you mum think on this topic?

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 10:14 PM

Why can't everyone just accept that others have different beliefs and thoughts...thank god - or we'd all be clone-like, and how boring would THAT get. Marcus....give up - everyone is entitled to their own opinion - it certainly isn't a case of "everyone is entitled to YOUR opinion"....

I never believed in psychics, card readers etc but went along with a friend who was keen to go but afraid. The card reader looked over at me and asked me who I'd lost that meant so much to me - I wasn't going to tell her ANYTHING - if she was on the job -she'd KNOW (wouldn't she??). Well she described someone right down to the ridiculous hat he used to wear to embarrass me as a child, the scar on his back, things no one would have been able to research or find out....scared the hell outta me....

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at February 25, 2008 10:14 PM

Marcus @ 6.51pm was unwise enough to post:

"Surely if someone is making claims about supernatural beliefs it is up to them to show some evidence for their contention. It is not enough to retreat behind faith; faith being belief that is not based on any evidence.That evidence must be freely available to anyone who wants it. Anyone must be able to study the evidence and come to the same conclusin that you did."

Marcus, you have finally got it dead right, at long last.

Which is why I had already asked you in mine @ 5.14pm to list the scientific sources that you claim you have been relying on, as authorities who had proved that the parts of the paranormal that we are discussing are just bunk.

You said "That evidence must be freely available to anyone who wants it. Anyone must be able to study the evidence and come to the same conclusin that you did."

So stop bleating your strongly worded but totally unproven iconoclastic BELIEFS at us, Marcus, and show us your evidence for them.

Chapter and verse, author and periodical, just like a genuine lower-high-school research student.

Marcus, we're happy for YOU to believe in nothing that you haven't already touched, tasted or paddled in, but don't try to snow us with your unproven BELIEFS, disguised as reportage of real science, you blustering charlatan.

Put up or shut up, sonny. Now.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 10:12 PM

auntykaz.
Not at all. If they are quietly and privately held how can I object?
It is when the become public, offered as advice, predictors, controllers or determinators of behaviour that I arc up.
Cheers MS

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 10:12 PM

I mean there is such a thing as being too far up yourself.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 9:55 PM

Oldergentplease don't use that "neardeathfuddyduddy" expression in front of our modern man Marcus.
The thing that you say if you are 'so cool' is this:

"Why don't you shove your GPS up your *&&& and then see if you know where you find yourself"

Try it..it's right up to the minute.......

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 25, 2008 10:11 PM

Marcus, are you not claiming, by your very argument, that others beliefs are not worthy of their time and thoughts??? Just because there is no factual evidence, in your opinion????.........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 10:08 PM

Me too, Lynath! Me too! Oh to be young! Oh to be uninhibited ! Damn my pedanticness (I just made that word up).

Posted by: ninaschen at February 25, 2008 10:08 PM

thelynathdialtone.
None of the above. I am bemused that in an age of enlightenment when science and technology has us living twice as long as we did a few centuries ago, when we can travel to the other side of the world in hours, when we can see far enough back through space and time to almost view the beginning of the universe that people transplant a faith in the patent quackery ofastrology say, for a belief in reason and science.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 10:08 PM

Marcus, how do any of us know for sure ?
I was never a believer in card readers or psychics and regarded them as merely harmless amusement. Until 18 months ago. I went with my ex mother in law to a card reader on a whim while we were out shopping. She implored her to see a doctor immediately. My MIL was not unwell but went to the doctor anyway. She was diagnosed with breast cancer, was operated on within the week, had a breast removed and is now still alive and well.
What might have been the outcome if we hadnt had that chance reading ??
So now I have a healthy respect for the hocus pocus as you call it.

Posted by: jenjen57 at February 25, 2008 10:06 PM

So Marcus have you revealed the cause of your angst?

Have you escaped a cult or been damaged by a religion or an over zealous Nun in your time?

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 25, 2008 10:02 PM

OG.

You are making extraordinary, supernaturally predictive claims about Runes. I am claiming nothing. You are by recomendation and inference inference making strong representations about the goodness of your 'product'. I just ask you to provide some decent, testable evidence that your belief mechanism works. Should not be that hard if it is any good.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 10:02 PM

Marcus, you blather on about me being caught up in a cult etc, self important, no way, opiniated, mea culpa, but I don't think any more than you, pots calling the kettles black.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 10:00 PM

oh Nina, if only you knew the times I wanted to cut loose with a smiley face or a LOL! :o))))
; -) { :-)) *i * ))))))))
U

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 25, 2008 9:56 PM

I'm big on free speech too, in the best liberal traditions.
Espousing nonsense and hocus pocus and making unsubstantiable promises and predictions is not free speaking. Even if it is done for the 'readers' own sense of self importance, OG say, it is still a worry and at best mildly dishonest.
Better you are not religious or caught up in a cult or New Age or paranormal. You then have a chance of objectivity, as you say "not that faith lets us have the right to be"
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 9:55 PM

Marcus,
What makes you think anyone has to prove anything to you, I have made several posts, if you don't like what I have said, it is up to you to prove me or anyone else you disagree ( I would surmise that it would be everyone on this site) with wrong, I mean there is such a thing as being too far up yourself.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 9:55 PM

It intimidates and threatens non believers and those who might wish to leave.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 9:29 PM

Now this is an interesting comment. It is also possible that a very strong belief in a faith or fortune telling etc could be more intimidating as one could be too scared to question these ideas.I would think that a non-believer would find it easier to walk away. This is often the case with people in very difficult or abusive relationships. They are usually to scared to walk away from them.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 9:48 PM

Marcus......

......saying it is so does not make it so.....

Posted by: weta at February 25, 2008 9:46 PM

Lynath - You may recall that I balk at using smiley faces and such. But I can't help myself. Here is one just for you: :)

You deserve it!

Posted by: ninaschen at February 25, 2008 9:45 PM

Marcus, l'm talking more about your positive spiritual side of faith and what people get out of it in terms of comfort and assistance..... All good to them if that blows their hair back.

Many people need to believe in something...that's fine, it helps them get through whatever bad times they may experience.

And l said "we have the right to be if we all let each other"....Not that faith lets us have the right to be.

I don't buy into the negative side of religion, that is the domain of those who choose to hide behind faith and religion as a wheelbarrow for their own agendas in my ever so humble opinion.....
Not being religious at all l can't really say one way or another what is right and wrong as l have no belief in it as opposed to agreeing or disagreeing with it........................K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 9:43 PM

How inconsiderate of me Marcus, I should have waited until you had gone to bed and the adults could talk freely.

btw...if you are going to to carry on with your bowel and poo references could you at least learn to spell diarrhoea:correctly>?

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 25, 2008 9:36 PM

thelynathdiahorrea.
Sex, politics and religion.
Interesting topics in adult company.

Auntykaz.
Problem with faith in many cases, especially religious, is that it does not let people be. It intimidates and threatens non believers and those who might wish to leave.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 9:29 PM

Kianee.
It is up to those making the extraordinary, supernatural claims to provide the supporting evidence.
If I said I can sell you a device for $1000 that allows your car to run on tap water instead of petrol you would want a little verification I am sure.
Why not with this other paranormal and faith stuff, often potentially very dangerous, that asks you to totally suspend reason? I'm happy to accept it if it can be demonstrated.
I believe in lightning, telephones, computers and all sorts of other things that once were the realm of magic.
Archerising. What world view have I stated?
I first posted this thread before OG reminded me of Runes. I asked if the positive aspects of VD (Valentines Day that is) for some out weighed the hurt and disappointment to those spurned and ignored.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 9:20 PM

True, TLD ,as is it impolite to call people names.... lets add that to the list l think.......
Marcus don't be so bloody rude..... you are already getting under peoples skin without resorting to silly takes on peoples names.
Kind of thing that kids resort to in the schoolyard when someone challenges them or they are in bully mode.

Quite an indication maybe of your character..... there is no need to be insulting to get your point across..............K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 9:07 PM

sex ,religion, politics the forbidden topics. in polite company. Better add Runes to the list.....reminds me of a joke....
A Philosophy Lecturer(we'll call him Marcus) asked his students to write an essay. It had to contain three themes ..sex ,religion and mystery.
In due course the work was submitted amd he opened the first ready to mark.
To his amazement it contained only three lines:

Oh my God!
I'm pregnant.
I wonder whose it is?

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 25, 2008 8:55 PM

Well, again, just my view is that "faith" is the prerogative of all.

Muslims included Marcus.
Religion is something that is up to anyone to embrace if they so wish.
Whatever their motives are.
Whatever their excuses are.
Maybe a bit simplistic but really how hard do you want to make it.
Six of one half a d of the other to me.

We all have the right to be if we let each other...I am a big advocate of that. Again simplistic probably but there you go, you get that.
Can't really be bothered with the big argument of religion / faith, good or bad....

Its like politics, it really gets you nowhere except into an argument ....the inevitable really when you come to think about it..................K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 8:44 PM

Blueeyes,
In general it is bad for a reader to portend a death.
The thing that is important in the Rune reading is that I do not know the question being posed before or afer the reading, The only true answer can come that way.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 8:42 PM

Just a thought but, why don't all the people who respond to the one(s) that spew forth aggressive, judgemental and offensive opinions just.... ignore them.

It's clear that the whole point of posting that sort of thing in the first place is to bait for a reaction. By virtue of reacting you give their vacuous remarks credibility and you are playing right into their hands.

The impact of skipping past the post and not even reading it let alone replying would be far greater than any well put together retort or put-down.

Imagine the frustration! A swift shift of power your way is the key.

Posted by: dharma61 at February 25, 2008 8:31 PM

hey guys, just did a bit of catch up reading, as had a big weekend in sydney. I am with most of you in that I believe that we are all entitled to our views and beliefs.

I am not religious, or a believer in anything much, but I do believe that people need something to believe in. It gives so much comfort to have beliefs, and that is not a bad thing, as long as it is not inflicted on others.

I also believe in "never say never" as you just never really know with astrology, western and chinese, mediums, fortune telling, runes and cards. These things have been around for thousands of years!!

I also believe that the universe is huge, and we are not alone, its just that the scientists have not discovered it yet!!

Or does that mean, if one is Marcus, that there is nothing there, and my belief is bullshit??

Anyway, just my opinions, have a lovely evening all...jewels

Posted by: junebaby57 at February 25, 2008 7:58 PM

Okay, same topic or do you want me to think up something totally out of the blue?

I was told that when you are given a reading, the teller should not tell you if they see your death -as in the form of an accident. This is because they should not interfere in destiny. One of my girlfriends was told in her 20's, that she would die in an accident whilst travelling far away from home in her 60's. She reckons that she will never leave her country town when she gets to that age decade.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 7:50 PM

Marcus,
here is another thing that you will not or do not what to know, there is a conscious knowlege of this existence after death. The light may not always be there at the begining of the journey but it will appear. Believe or not believe, quiet frankly I do not give the proverbial.

aliane an obscenity is still that no matter what form it is in.

blueeyes, fire away, we are all waiting in great anticipation, LOL
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 7:41 PM

blueeyes1955: nah, you go for it. I'm annoyed with myself for responding to it, but his appearance on these blogs has made it a much less pleasant place to be which is unfair to the rest of us.
For those who speculated that l&t may be another of Earl's personas, I can unfortunately confirm that he is real.

Posted by: archerrising at February 25, 2008 7:41 PM

Hi Marcus,
But you have not got it. Historical facts are relatively easy to verify. What you have not explained is how to prove that the so called paranormal does not exist.

Posted by: kianee at February 25, 2008 7:37 PM

Hey archer, should I think up some more questions to ask or should I remain in the back seat tonight? :)

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 7:28 PM

istj54: lol, you've trumped me!

Posted by: archerrising at February 25, 2008 7:22 PM

Marcus...Are you trying to tell me "Medium" is not true?

Posted by: istj54 at February 25, 2008 7:21 PM

Actually *Professor* Marcus, this whole thread started because blueeyes1955 asked the blogging world at large what runes are. You must have nearly wet your pants with excitement at the opportunity to slag off anyone who doesn't share your sadly-limited world view. No-one is or was trying to change your mind about anything, but you have continued to post your vitriolic crap like the bully that you are.
You may be educated, you may even be intelligent, but you're not nice, are you?

Posted by: archerrising at February 25, 2008 7:20 PM

Aliane: Marcus can't spell out WTF for you. That would be naughty. My mother put it like this: What on earth is that?

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 7:17 PM

Marcus,
I have not come to any conclusion. I am open minded either way. How do I know if there is any truth in tarot, astrology or religion. I don't, and neither do you.

Posted by: jenjen57 at February 25, 2008 7:10 PM

HI Timewarp, and yes I have read your lengthy bloggings with interest. Here is another story told to me by an 80 year old very with -it lady. She has a cousin who claims she is contacted by deceased people. One day whilst her cousin was visiting her last year, a male friend of hers also visited. Neither had met each other before. During the visit the cousin told the male that his deceased brother was trying to contact him. The male said" that is ridiculous as I have never had a brother.". The ladies cousin insisted and continued to tell about the deceased brother.
The next week the male friend-who was a jounalist- went to research this story and found that his mother had given birth to a male child before him and that the child had dies in infancy. His mother had never revealed this information to him or his younger sibling.
There is no proof one way or another but I'm sure that if we all believed that there is another place we just move to after death in this life,then the going has to be a lot easier.
We are all entitled to our own beliefs and I'm sure the personal experiences we have help to shape those beliefs. It's just interesting to be able to share them with others and then you can make up your own mind on the topic.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 7:10 PM

You might want to reread and rephrase your post JenJen
Surely if someone is making claims about supernatural beliefs it is up to them to show some evidence for their contention. It is not enough to retreat behind faith; faith being belief that is not based on any evidence.That evidence must be freely available to anyone who wants it. Anyone must be able to study the evidence and come to the same conclusin that you did.
Tarot, Seeing, Tea leaf reading, Astrology, Runes, Religion are all examples of faith. Runes might be harmless fun, Astrology and Tarot may also be, but they are also an enemy of truth and may cause a gullible person to make unwise choice.

Kianee. You have got it arse about.
A flat earth fitted the Holy Ghost world view (even though he made it he did not realise it was round) for a long time. Bible astronomy prevailed. A scientist named Copernicus sorted it out in 1543 and Magellan who saw the round shadow of the earth superimposed on the moon was pretty sure he would not fall off the edge. He then discovered America and the western hemisphere.
Auntykaz. Problem with faith, rather than reason, especially when it is shared, is that it can become a great evil and is the main problem with religion. Think of those Muslim boys who want to hurry across the bridge to their 72 virgin brides.
Lynathdiahhorea. Isn't it precisely the point that because you have been convinced the world is a big scary place you get sucked in by a circular, self referential argument and could find solace and protection from imaginary danger? You would be better off getting informed. BTW fecal examination can tell you your entire genetic code and diagnose for dozens of diseases.
Timewarp1. Check your fly is not down cobber.
Aliane. Perfect spelling, but WTF?

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 6:51 PM

Faith, belief, call it what you will, but if at the end of the day comfort is given to those who seek it what is the problem??.....Marcus, people have beliefs and faith in whatever for their own reasons and their justification is their own.
It is not owed to anyone.

Bob, to answer your question, l am in no way religious and have to say that someone who was deeply so would probably be a bit of a turn off for me.
Now, all, that is just me, the way l am, and in no way a criticism of others.

I admire that those who are troubled get great comfort from religion, faith, whatever. I respect their RIGHT to believe. Whether l agree with it or not is of no consequence...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 5:15 PM

For Marcus only (Boring-stuff Alert): Thank you for your expected further championing of experimental science over comforting hearthrug hypothesis. Just a few points:

1) You are dead right. Finishing another person's sentence is pissant-easy - often even if you don't know them. Most people are so predictable, if you have any brains at all.

As a fast-thinking, life-cramming teenager, always in a big hurry to get past the next five steps in every discussion, I was notorious for it. So for me, growing up included putting a G-clamp on my quick-draw tongue.

But I was talking about something less straight-forward happening in 1956 - two people going silently together past several path-choice points in turn, in a freely-branching programme of discussion.

You are right again - we spent enough time together (usually talking, or being naughty till she got her jollies) to make us both fail that year's uni exams - probably my first major incident of Women=downfall.

So we had considerable insight into the workings of one another's minds. But our ability to go eg. from she said aloud, silently through at least he said-she said-he said-she said-he said-she said, before he said aloud, and then check back (just for scientific interest) and find we'd taken the same branching path between the first and last voiced statements - we both thought that was a bit more unlikely than you'd get, just from our familiarity and resulting expectations.

But as you say, Marcus, it's so often a matter of belief - accepting less rigourous proof than a Ph.D. student would need, to justify a null hypothesis that he was going to be marked on for rigorously proving.

2) You said "So the human body under certain circumstances is now a radio transmitter and receiver with a self seeking frequency locator. That is not a new postulation, though phrased differently no doubt before the wireless was invented."

I am far less knowledgeable than you, Marcus, in the history of this topic, so I have had to get my insights out of my own head.

I would be overjoyed for you to give me a reading list of the people who thought this way, before I did. Preferably including those who published on analogous ideas, before the discovery (not invention) of radio.

And including, most importantly for your current argument, a listing of "All the controlled studies (that) have failed to come up with any support for your idea, and despite big prizes and first rate facilities; nothing."

3) "Once again, empathy and familiarity with a person are likely explanations." For blueeyes' being able to receive TOTALLY-unexpected distress calls from her husband and then her son, both at a distance, and with no other mechanism than "empathy and familiarity"?

Pull the other one, mate, and try to live up to your own self-advertised requirement of a scientific explanation for everything.

And start getting fair dinkum about naming the people who did all the research that you keep claiming disproves everything that we ever say.

Or prove yourself to be only a knee-jerk negative knocker, with no actual knowledge of specific negating data to back up
your notoriety-seeking negative non-sequitors, ie. being the verbal personification of your hidden profile photo.

4) "As for your experience with lions, and bandits and your hair on end, you might like to pen a piece for us."

Here it is, Marcus, but I'll have to use the keyboard. Don't know how to scan handwriting into this posting window.

Nothing but hearsay, mate. People have said it happened to them, and I guess it could. Tallies with other things I'm more sure of, so I'll go along with it.

And I know you won't, Marcus. Till it happens to you personally, and proves its evolutionary value by warning you soon enough, to save your life.

But I will discuss two similar phenomena.

A) I'm a tit man. (And a leg man, and far more importantly,a nice-natured-chick man, but that's not relevant here.)

So I briefly observe the curves on all the women who pass within eyeshot. And notice that as soon as I focus, about 95% of them immediately move an arm (often to smooth their hair), reposition their handbag, or otherwise camouflage their silhouette FROM the direction that I'm observing from.

Even when there is no possibility that they could have seen me maybe 50 yards away across the street and up a side-lane, even out of the corner of their eye.

I hypothesise that I must have telepathed my interest in their flesh, and they must have received that message, and selected retail therapy rather than rambunctious self-advertisement to an as-yet unrecognised, let-alone unclassified market, (love that word of yours, SS) and acted accordingly - all subconsciously on their behalf, I believe.

Got a better hypothesis to explain this, Marcus, rather than a waffling denial? That's the true path of science.

B) The last and only time I was set upon by muggers (3 years ago in New York's Central Park) the hair-raising warning system failed me totally, Marcus, and I had to try to beat them off with kicks and punches.

Which had no effect except to cause me to throw myself out of bed, and land on my back on a sharp thing sticking up from the floor.

Result - 2 months off dancing, 3 off tennis and an unwanted weight gain of 5kg in the interim.

And how I must remove your hook from my hungry mouth, Marcus, and type some Quotes for the people who've been phoning in today, while I've been playing in the sandpit with you.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 5:14 PM

Dear Sweet Lynath,
There is no such “microbial experiment” underway between the parties you mentioned on 24 Feb at 10.40pm.
Scoff you may but there are some rsvp members who are desperately in love (Yawn! Yawn! Sic! Sic!) and need to escape the rat race for a while to enjoy each other’s company.
Which means that for the last week all you mad bloggers have had the field all to yourself.
But now the great Love Escape is over, amply assisted by midges, mosquitoes and a multitude of bities who are more permanent residents of a certain tropical island, it may be time to again focus on all the little bities on here.

Posted by: pac59 at February 25, 2008 4:56 PM

Hi Lynath,
The Military, I had 3 years in the Armoured Corps (Territorials) before National Service intake of 3/56 ,Infantry, a couple of years in the Mounted Rifles (Central West) then back to the CMF Infantry (Newcastle). One of the few arguments of my married life was she would not let me take the first appointment offer, her alternative was divorce. I mused on why you were such a strong willed no nonsense woman.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 4:40 PM

Marcus,
Does it not prove my point, I have an open mind and use all things that are available, my friends amazing ability, my neurosurgeons amazing skill (who was not into Jesus but treked in the Himalayas and studied the nepalese way). My faith was well placed in all the people that support our hospital system, no matter what their personal beliefs.

I went to a church school and had any respect for organised religon well and truly beaten out of me by the age 12. It is not all what you consider quackery in my life, I marvel at the things I have seen happen in my lifetime. I deign not to consider what has made you the unhappy person you project the appearance of. I am taught by the experiences I have lived and the intuition I get from I do not know where, but I listen and seek, not indoctrinated by sects or skeptics, and I think as in control of my faculties, as you claim to be.

JenJen, and guess what type of person was putting the taper to the pyre, the intellegensia and educated and biggoted.

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 4:06 PM

You are missing the point Marcus
I was very much a sceptic and was aware of how fortune tellers workd by asking you questions, observation eg wearing wedding rings or not and making some good guesses.

My first point is that as most people grow in mind and spirit as life progresses they become more an more open to possibilities and less fearful of anything different.

The scientific world likes to keep everything in neat compartments. Having also had many years of close association with the world of the Military and having become aware of how controlled and manipulated information release can be, and how interwined the Scientific and the Military worlds are,my rule on most things is "Never say Never"

My second point is to do with compassion and empathy. If these things, whether religions or fortune telling, give people comfort or a sense of meaning in a big scary world, then they are wonderful.
I am sure a piece of poo could be analysed to good effect, but for what purpose except to know that we should all eat more fibre?
At the time I had my reading I was desperately searching for some answers and direction in a life that had been turned on its head. I cannot describe the comfort I got, the sense of hope and reason to go on that reading gave me. It was the turning point and catalyst for creating the great life I have now. While I did not really think the three proposals of marriage were about to arrive in the mail, she made me start to think differently about my future and opened the door to me thinking about the possibilities and choices that I did have control over. Whether or not there was any scientific evidence that the reader had any ability doesn't matter. She had the ability to positively help me at that particular time in my life.

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 25, 2008 4:05 PM

I dont believe in Tarot cards, neither do I disbelieve in them.

I tend to look at my Tarot cards in the evening, after I have finished with TV for the night and a feeling a bit lonely, and I dont use them very often. There must be something to them, as they have survived thousands of years.
I think that we are all connected, at a soul level, an we can sometimes tap into that wisdom through meditation.

I once had a friend who moved in next door, who gave wonderful tarot readings, she went to Egypt and married, returned for a short time and then I lost contact with her.

I find my greatest spiritual breakthroughs happen during times of illness where I spend a lot of time sleeping, where my logical, thinking part of my brain is switched off.

In the history of humanity, there has only been about 500 years that science has been to the fore, and I simply do not accept the concept that if something cannot be explained within the framework of our current understanding of science, then it is not real.

Posted by: virgil at February 25, 2008 4:01 PM

Hi all, This is certainly an interesting subject, a subject of intense debate, not only in this place, and of scientific investigation.
My little contribution: Not so long ago the “scientists” and most learned
men of the day believed that the earth was flat, The bravest took another, illogical, emotional view, till science finally caught up, and it was proven that the earth was round ! Science is making new discoveries, in so many fields. Will it only be a matter of time before a method is found to prove the existence of the psychic and paranormal and many other phenomena ?
Ps jenjen , you beat me to it .

Posted by: kianee at February 25, 2008 3:44 PM

I don't think that having a question in regard to paranormal beliefs is really necessary...it's only going to be useful when people fill it in and when they fill it in honestly and contemperaneously...and people appear to have trouble filling their profiles in now with the current questions...but I suppose when used appropriately it can help people make a decision on whether they want to see some one or not if that is important to them.

As to laughsandtalks do you really think that it's necessary to be so nasty and rude? Just because people have different beliefs to you does not make them stupid, why come onto a blog just to be horrible? Have you never heard the saying "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at All"?

Posted by: sarzi at February 25, 2008 3:39 PM

Marcus,
Just because scientific studies cannot find evidence or proof for some of the beliefs that some of us may have with respect to psychics, mediums or any one else dealing with the paranormal does not mean that these things do not exist.
Centuries ago people were burned at the stake for believing the world was not flat.
Just because we cannot prove it, or don't believe in it does not necessarily mean it does not exist.

Posted by: jenjen57 at February 25, 2008 3:19 PM

Hi All,

Sorry guys, maybe I was a bit ambiguous about the psychics thing in my previous post. What I meant was I was interested to hear what you think about the topic as a profile question on RSVP.

bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at February 25, 2008 3:18 PM

Notgodsgift: I'll put my hand up first.

1) I believe there are a lot of people who'll try to win a bob (obviously not a Sydney Bob) by falsely claiming they can see the future. They fish for clues and then play them back, with the addition of some unproveable trivia to flesh out the story.

I wrote you months ago an elaborate story about how my Sydney grannie was worried that I had been born on Black Friday, so she consulted a gypsy fortune-teller for a horoscope.

After building up the tension so as to extract the maximum number of florins, she announced that "Women will be his downfall."

And they have been, if you mean causing me to be worth today well over half a million less than I should have expected, if you consider how long and hard and cleverly I've worked for the last 50 years - most of that time with negligable emotional support or physical comfort. (That was for me to give.)

Maybe that's why I'm looking so hard now for Ms Right-Enuff who will love me dearly (but not expensively - I'm cheap to run), just for being the best me that I can manage, and thus help me excell. As my supporters here have recently done in the short term.

2) But there are enough scientifically-proven examples of telepathy that wasn't pre-arranged codes to earn the couple an income (we've had some here this morning) to convince me that it does exist.

And I've suggested a scientific mechanism to explain how it may work in variuos situations.

3) My own western and chinese horoscopes (Day of exacting precision and year of the Pig) both describe me and my lifetime behaviour exactly, precisely and succinctly, although neither I nor my relatives knew about either horoscope till during the last 10 years - so no chance of "self-fulfilling prophesy" there, as there could have been with the Women Downfall prediction.

I am forced to believe.

And I believe I need to get out of the sandpit and head for the classroom. Seeyezall at sundown.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 3:11 PM

timewarp
Your psychic abilities let you down in a big way in 1956, no? Finishing another persons sentences is not unusual or paranormal. A whole range of cues allow us all to do that.
So the human body under certain circumstances is now a radio transmitter and receiver with a self seeking frequency locator. That is not a new postulation, though phrased differently no doubt before the wireless was invented. All the controlled studies have failed to come up with any support for your idea, and despite big prizes and first rate facilities; nothing. Once again, empathy and familiarity, with a person are likely explanations. As for your experience with lions, and bandits and your hair on end, you might like to pen a piece for us.

OG. One of the first things that happens when you are indoctrinated by a religion or cult or a faith based paranormalist is your faculties of reason or disbelief are disabled.
This seems to have happened to you. Perhaps you would be better served by looking out for logical explanations for things that happen. After all you placed all your faith in the supremely reasoned and scientific approach of brain tumour surgery rather than some faith healing quackery.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 2:55 PM

Bill,

How the hell does one hog a blog??

We all have the right to have our say, whether it is in 1 word or 1,000. Simple answer is, if you are finding a post (or the blogger) overly long or tedious, ignore it.

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at February 25, 2008 2:49 PM

To whoever said a week or so ago that I hog the blog: Since then I've been trying even harder to be concise, mate, even short note format when I remember, but we've been discussing deep stuff recently.

Please immediately fast forward past all of my posts on sight, in case they might prove to be too long for your attention span. I don't ever want to upset anyone, except counter-productive stirrers.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 2:30 PM

Hi All,

I am not going to buy into the topic of astrology, pshysics or fortunetellers....to each their own......its the same with religion, in my opinion...all a matter of faith, not fact.

However, this discussion does raise an issue within RSVP that maybe should be used in us profiling.....do you believe in this stuff or not. Again, this is a question that might help people sort out the types of people they contact and whom they wish to have contact them. How about it RSVP?

I would be interested to hear what everyone things without being disparaging to others beliefs.

Bob

Posted by: notgodsgift at February 25, 2008 2:29 PM

Blueeyes @ 8.01am: It WAS worth saying twice.

Yes, I believe the preconditions for a successful psychic transmission between ordinary people include

* the sender and receiver need to be emotionally in touch, or as you put it, "we have an inner sense or connection to people who are very close to us." and

* a temporarily-highly-raised emotional state in the sender, which I would expect usually to be sudden great fear, pain and/or anguish (your husband's, in your first example, I'd guess - that's the direction you ran in, to rescue your darling from his trauma, whatever it might turn out to be, when you got there.)

In a word, an available emotional communication channel, plus a strong enough burst of emotional energy from the sender, to register at the receiving end.

I see two other situations:

* the psychic medium if genuine has, I believe, a much more sensitive receiving antenna than ordinary people, not requiring the louder signal of reaised emotion, and sometimes even including the ability to sense the current caring or agonising presence of the still-present-in-spirit dead, ie. ghosts.

My first-ever girlfriend (1956) and I could sit side by side on a seat and look at the ocean and talk to one another back and forth in our heads. Every 3 or 4 sentences, one of us would say the next bit out loud, to check we were still both on track. And we would be.

Her parents took her to Europe to get her away from the zoot coat, and when she came back she married the other bloke that she'd been two-timing me with, all along. Doctor's son, with better prospects - till he married her and straightaway failed Med 4.

Never had that ability with anyone else since, but my 2003-2005 ex-mate Carmel (till I knocked back once too often her repeated proposals of marriage, every time she got drunk - she was 20 years younger) did have the second ability.

Moved back into her parents' home to care for her dying father, she had definite feelings of the nurturing presence and actual location of her mother's ghost, at times of crisis. But most people would say they were hallucinations from her anxious state. But as you say, hard to prove either way.

* I've heard reports of dogs suddenly howling in distress, at the exact time when their far-distant master had died.

But if you don't believe that we were created completely separately from the other mammals (what a conceited notion!) then I guess that's just a sub-set of my usual situation, discussed at the top of this post.

Intriguing stuff, and my guess is that it wiill some time in the future prove to be a kind of radio wave, generated by the sufferer and using its whole nervous system as aerial, and received and recorded because the receiving person has subconsciously tuned their whole-body aerial to the other person's frequency, perhaps as a part of growing to love them.

And in commercial situations, perhaps because the seller has broadcast what they badly need to sell, and the buyer was already thinking of buying that kind of thing, so was focussed on that wavelength. A bit like God's own Google service?

And what causes our hair to suddenly stand up on end, when we suddenly come into the gunsights of bandits or a lion - that we haven't even seen yet? Receiving their brainwave of evil intent? What else?

Never heard those hypotheses suggested, but it seems more likely to me to be an extension of something that is working in other ways/wavelengths, than something completely different.

On the other hand, look at parallel evolution - diprotodons and rhinoceroses for example. Both savannah-harvesters that were too slow for human hunters.

That was more than an hour for lunch (interrupted by a couple of new customers) so must hurry and hit the road. Seeyezall later.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 2:16 PM

Marcus.
Just said goodbye to my numerologist mate, I refused to give him any more rock cakes and he is not allowed anymore than 3 of my Lattes (Mocha) a day. He expressed very much a liking to have your birth date. I have seen him do this before and therefore would not tell him your profile name or let him see your photo. His view is that people like you have a mind like a rat trap, it can be set and primed but, once it snaps shut, it cannot open itself. The very point of the Para Normal is that is not scientific, it is beyond that. But I would presume you have heard of the Russians and the Americans experiments (that are still going on today) with Kinetic energy transference. You don't believe, I do,your choice , my choice. I have been involved for more years that you have been alive, I am still learning and wondering about the ancient learning and teachings. Never once have I taken money for a reading, nor have any of my other friends, apart from my clairvoyant, she needs the limited funds provided by the few clients she allows. Anne is a feeler and suffers any pain in her clients, it was her that picked up on my brain tumour, before my Doctor, she told me that I would have an after death experience after the operation but I would be sent back. It all happened, exactly as she detailed. The medical report was that I had no vital signs for 4 minutes 22 seconds, the medical people out there know how critical that timing is. During that time because of a drug addict causing trouble in the ward I had no CPR administered and came back as they reached me. What I have found is that life with all its trauma's and tribulations is worth living, but if you decide to end it you will surely have to come back to learn the lesson of it.
Believe what you will Marcus, in peace, give the same courtesy to me.
Regards OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 25, 2008 1:28 PM

Riversong @ 8.55am:

Do please tell us about the 5 blind indians - I love parables even more than bedtime stories.

There's my lunch toast popped - must gobble and hit the road again. And thank you my dear penfriends - I'm back in pro-active territory, thanks to your love and support.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 12:29 PM

Hi, BM - I do indeed remember you, and welcome back! I hope life has been treating you well, and thanks for your kind words :)

Posted by: malsie at February 25, 2008 10:29 AM

Hi Malsie,
You may remember me from mid last year when I used to post now and again. Sorry to hear of your disappointment and I am sure you will bounce back. Wishing you, and everyone, every happiness...
Cheers,
Barbara.

Posted by: bm1960 at February 25, 2008 10:16 AM

Thank you, SSC, amberlight, Kianee and Lynath. This romance has been lurching around all over the place for too long. Sometimes, much as you try, the pieces just don't fit, and you have to accept defeat gracefully.

My interest in the blogs waxes and wanes, depending a fair bit on levels of unprovoked spite, etc, that erupt from time to time. But of late, I must say it's been a bit of a sanctuary. I've seen lovely examples of what aliane described as "compassionate Samaritans", caring attitudes and sharing of fun, general support, and personal histories.
I wish everyone lots of luck in finding the person you're looking for to share your love and life with.

Posted by: malsie at February 25, 2008 10:11 AM

Marcus, standard IQ tests have been discredited - they measure only one small dimension of the whole of things (and are completely uncorrelated to Emotional Intelligence!)

There is order in apparent disorder - have you ever read the book on Chaos Theory?

There is no point in engaging in battles over who is "right" - have you ever heard the parable of the five blind indians?

Posted by: riversong1 at February 25, 2008 8:55 AM

Timewarp-just caught up on your posting of your experiences. Had to get some shuteye early last ngiht for a change.I also have had similar experiences as you 3rd one mentioned. The morning my brother was killed I was at a Playgroup xmas party (only had a 1 year old child then). For some reason I left early and literally ran all the way home pushing the pram. This was unusual for me as the party was fine and I had many friends there.On arriving home, my ex was standing on the front lawn looking in shock. I just knew something terrible was wrong.
ANother incident was a few years ago when my son ,not living at home, had an incident with the police and some others who were threatening him. At 3 am in the morning I sat bolt upright in bed and had a dreadful feeling. AT 6am my son rang me from the police station to ask for help. He had been at the police station since 3am.
It seems to me that we have an inner sense or connection to people who are very close to us. And these type of experiences don't involve card readings etc. We may not be able to prove that there is something out there or we can really tell the future etc but we can't really disprove it either. I guess we judge each instance on its own merits.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 25, 2008 8:02 AM

Marcus: Most people are deplorably unscientific. But they need to be able to make some sense of what happens in the world, to make it less unpredictable and therefore less frightening.

It's human nature to see something new and strange, wonder why it happened, think up a plausible possible reason, and then happily accept that as the probable cause with little or no proof at all - until further experience shows it couldn't have been the actual cause - so guess again, mate/professor.

So this hit-and-miss technique has been accepted as "scientific method".

And so, until someone hypothesises a more useful concept than the collective unconscious to explain genuine psychic phenomena which are NOT income-earning , code-using tricks, I'll go with the collective unconscious, as the relevant infrastructure/communication medium to explain genuine psychic phenomena.

And I couldn't care less who thought of it first. I just want to use it to make sense of the world's conundrums.

30-odd years ago when I taught management subjects at a Brisbane TAFE, I said "A good idea doesn't care who has it, but it hates being buried, before it can be useful."

But as an honest person, I do acknowledge the sources of the ideas and paragraphs that I publish here (and anywhere else.) So I acknowledged "Jung's postulation".

Marcus: can you supply some positive information for a change, instead of always trying to discredit everything in sight, and bring us all up to speed on this one?

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 4:58 AM

The Iconoclast, ibid:

re your question about "the ancient art of damp TEA leaf interpretation" (never heard of it with any other kind of leaves, mate - damping THEM (as in urinal trough) "makes them hard to light, and almost impossible to smoke")

Afraid my usually-encyclopaedic knowledge includes zerozilch about this subject. I actually believe the tea leaves' pattern is immaterial - it's just the meaningless random splotches that the tealeaf reader focuses on to clear her mind, while tapping into the collective unconscious.

And I'm reminded of the story about the man whose psychoanalyst showed him a series of Rauscharck images (random black ink blots) and asked him what each one suggested to him.

First one: "That's definitely a naked woman"

Second: "Another naked woman, lying on her back"

and so on - all naked women, arranged in different poses.

"Well" said the shrink, "No doubt about you. Obviously sex-crazed."

"Wait a minute! Who was showing me the filthy pictures?"

PS: Just leave the Diary alone mate, before you give us all a dose of the Delhi Belhi.

Past my bedtime. Really cheered up by 2 hours' almost continuous very energetic tennis (3 new ladies, and all really good players) and then such nice things to read when I got back here.

So I've raved on too long, and will regret it when my alarm goes off at Nfishfart, but I don't now. Feel enthused again. Thank you all for that, very much.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 4:23 AM

Riversong.
Synchronicity is interesting isn't it? It may turn out that it is a quantifiable verifiable phenomena/sensory feature. I have the feeling though that a lot of effort has already been spent to demonstrate the effect but to no real result. Often the mathematical odds of an 'amazing coincidence' are much higher than we realise.
A lot of Jung's postulations have been discredited and even the Myers Briggs type theory that is based somewhat on his work is now regarded as of dubious reliability. Std. IQ tests, say, are a better guide.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 3:51 AM

The Iconoclast @ 2.43am:

You have intelligence, and the ability to analyse data and draw conclusions.

What I keep wondering is - why do you choose to concentrate on pricking everyone's balloons, and being every devil's advocate? (And being unnecessarily unpleasant in the process.)

Are you actually so empty that there is nothing wholesome inside you at all, just idle unemployed adolescent rebelliousness?

Or are you actually only what you're doing to yourself under the table in your hidden photo?

Either way, why not comsider getting yourself a life, instead of only playing pigeons on everyone else's parades? Too hard for bubby?

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 3:38 AM

Motivation gurus say that if you badly want something that seems beyond your reach, you need to do only three things to get it:

* Be truly grateful for what you have already, and thank the universe (or whatever substitute deity you believe in) for those past mercies.

* Focus your mind on what you want, and ask humbly to be shown how to go get it for yourself. (NOT to be given it on a platter - that doesn't work.)

* Listen keenly for the answer, which could be an unexpected phonecall, or a flash of inspiration in your own head, and then act promptly and assertively to pursue whatever opportunity it has suggested.

Jung postulated a "collective unconscious" which is shared by most or all people (and maybe some pets, I believe), which allows people to know one another's thoughts and/or feelings across wide distances, whenever the EMOTIONAL conditions are right for transmission.

I believe that this is the mechanism which allows amazing psychic phenomena to occur.

During the 90s when my shrunken business was battling for 7 years to feed my 3 staff (and me too, if and when possible), my book-keeper/secretary said to me on Tuesdays at least a hundred times:

"Bill, we're short for the wages on Thursday. Get out there and make a big cash sale." And then I'd get the enquiry out of the blue, and make the sale, and we'd sail on till next time.

On my fridge today is the magnet she gave me at the peak of the '92 recession when we lost our most profitable import agency, and had to go down from 6 staff to 3. It reads:

"We don't believe in miracles.
We rely on them."

Its time has returned this month, in trumps. And all I have to do is make it happen, starting at Nfishfart tomorrow morning. Thank you all for giving me the love and emotional support I needed, to let me believe I can do it.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 3:08 AM

Broadmindedness here means taking a proposition, like Runes or Astrology or Seeing or clairvoyance at face value and then looking at it logically and analytically.
It doesn't mean accepting things without question.
When you do this you find that despite the claims there has never been a succesful demonstration of these paranormal powers or abilities under controlled conditions.
None of it has any connection with reality. For it to be taken seriously there should be a suggestion of a reason for why it might be worth looking for evidence. What possible mechanism could allow Nordic symbols on a reindeers knucle bones to influence someones 21st century love life? What you do find plenty of evidence of find are frauds and charlatans and glitzy, greasy con artists who are enemies of truth.
People see it because they believe it.
Lonely people whos lives might be enriched by a longed for compatable friendship are deliberately encouraged by the astrological quacks, including those here on RSVP to jetison 11/12 of the available population. That is not fun or comforting that is potentially bloody damaging- stupid people should be pitied and helped not exploited.

thelynathdiahorrea. Your seer just used the usual cold reading psychology on you, including probably disarming you by her dress. Just the fact you presented is helpful to her case and she has obviously made you search your mind over the years to find relevance in what was said. She might have had some insights but I warrant that modern medical science could tell you a lot more that was really important to you by examining a faecal sample, microbial life included.
timewarp. Great story about the tea leaves.
Perhaps you could let us in on the ancient art of damp leaf interpretation and language?
SSC Sorry to disappoint but I don't do profile rewrites and I can confirm that men who do not keep their dicks in their dacks are abundant, normal and healthy. No sane red blooded bloke is going to wait years on a promise from a women he has never met 10000 miles away. My advice for you is to find a lover a bit closer to home, like within about 10k. Even if he is not ideal it will be a lot easier.

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 25, 2008 2:43 AM

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 24, 2008 11:32 PM

Cheers lynath...well I am skeptical about a lot of things and do not easily believe or disbelieve things. My online pal and I both left RSVP and I had a better profile originally. The one I have now is just to blog with and of course I do not care what anyone thinks. The thing is that it needs an overhaul though but I can not think what to write.I just run into people who do these things like the boy at work with the friend who does charts.

A friend offers to do tarot and I say no...

Live and let live and it was immature of me to bite back....
Cheers from Sue

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 25, 2008 2:05 AM

My own true psychic stories:

1) It was 1951. My parents drove 15km over the NSW border to have Sunday lunch with Dad's sister, who was keeping house for her son (Big Huey of the handmedown suit.) He'd just bought the sheep place next to ours.

It was a fairly boring lunch, so she said at the end "Jack, gimme a look at your tealeaves."

"Wow!"

"Lucy, gimme a look at yours."

"I don't believe it! Exactly same message! They both say "Urgent long journey."

"Yair, right" said Dad.

They collected my younger brothers from playing with the kittens and drove home. Kettle wasn't even boiling when the phone exchange rang.

"Where have you been? I've been trying to contact you for hours. Your son's boarding school hang. He's been sent off to hospital this morning with polio".

They dropped my brothers back with their aunt before dark, and were 400 miles away at Mum's sister's farm at Zillmere (Brisbane suburb) by daylight.

2) My son's godmother suddenly sat down on the stairs in the State Library where she worked at 2.30pm, knowing something bad had happened to her boyfriend. It was a serious head-on collision 30km away in Ipswich, at that very moment.

3) It was 1985. Joan and I were invited to the 25th/silver wedding anniversary party of the girl who 31 years before, had just beaten her best friend to ask me to her high-school formal.

Joan wouldn't go, of course. "Your friends, not mine." So I went alone, miserably thinking that our own 25th was only 3 months away, and that when our time came, I'd get no thanks for even mentioning it, let alone suggesting celebrations.

It was Saturday night, so son Peter (18)went into the Valley nightclubbing as usual, but by bus that night, because I couldn't give him the usual lift on my way back to work nearby (and lift home around 1am.)

I got home from Redcliffe about 11pm and went to bed. Soon fell asleep and then woke gasping for air. Had trouble breathing for a good 20 minutes, then breathed a big sigh and relaxed - at the moment he died of asthma.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 25, 2008 1:13 AM

I've never been one to believe in clairvoyants, tarot cards, and the like, l'm more a l need to see it for myself....having said that l have never had the desire to seek it out either, but have heard experiences of others and if they find comfort or whatever from that then good on them.......

That is sort of what some of us here are referring to l suppose, that all of us have different thoughts and approaches to the many things that cross our paths, and it is our right to form opinion regarding them without ridicule..................K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 25, 2008 12:30 AM

I agree that there are certainly some weird things that happen which would defy the logic of the greatest sceptic.
Malsie : Sad news, and a painful time for you. Keep head high !

Posted by: kianee at February 24, 2008 11:59 PM

Well said, Lynath!
And yes Malsie, hope you are feeling much better soon

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 24, 2008 11:47 PM

blueeyes 10:08PM. Spooky story, sent a shiver down my spine. Friends of mine (very normal) told me a story about a haunted house and how a priest got rid of the spirits.

Normally I would just say rubbish but I have know these friends for years, they are educated, balanced and objective. I am nowhere near as sceptical as I once was.

Posted by: willow1059 at February 24, 2008 11:36 PM

slightsynchronicity you don't have to defend yourself or your profile to Marcus or anyone else, and neither does OG
Your interests and beliefs are valid if they reflect you.

Malsie sorry to hear your news.

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 24, 2008 11:32 PM

Hello Everyone
Wow blueeyes, your hairdresser certainly beats any hairdresser I've ever had! Sure is more interesting than the normal chit-chat about the weather and what your children are doing!
I'm not all that convinced about any of that stuff. My mother used to like to try to have an occasional seance, (I can't remember exactly why) but I always refused to take part. I believe that there may well be a spirit world and some things are better left alone
I read the horoscopes, but never take them seriously. I can't remember the last time any the predictions came even close! I've never visited a psychic or anyone similar. I'm not sure I really want to know what may lie ahead, I think I'd rather just enjoy each day as it comes. Of course, some days are easier to enjoy than others :)

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 24, 2008 11:22 PM

Lynath,
Bullseye, observe but do not change, just wait.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 24, 2008 11:13 PM

I'm with you on the likes of Hines and the Scientologists, the rich get richer...the poorer struggle to make sense of it all....

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at February 24, 2008 10:51 PM

wishful they are just plain scary....you are right of course with what you wrote.

malsie sorry to hear that things have come crashing down in a heap. We will be fine and getting out there in the real world is a good thing. Hang in there and maybe a topic change will come. Most bloggers are easy going for sure...and a nice bunch. Thanks for your view of whether to stay in touch or not, I see your point.

Kianee, now that would be stretching any friendliness I may still feel a bit far.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 11:12 PM

Marcus: you really do like stirring the pot !
SSC : maybe your german penpal wants to stay friends so that he can get a free holiday in Australia (a honeymoon even, Maybe)
Timewarp: cogitating about that PO Box, if that is what it takes !

Posted by: kianee at February 24, 2008 11:08 PM

The older I become the less sure I am about anything.
As an absolute sceptic I was dragged reluctantly to a fortune teller....a Tarot Card reader and Psychic. I was disappointed to find her only wearing trackie pants and a windcheater, and after politely refusing her offer of discounted potions and lucky stones, we settled down to The Reading. The woman had never met me before and lived so far away she could know nothing.about me or my life. I also determined not to give her any clues or help.. The reading was recorded.
That was nine years ago and everything she predicted and stated on the recording happened in the way she said it would. All except the three marriage proposals.........of course.....
I was amazed by the things she said, but did not change my life in order to match her predictions, and in any case many of them concerned other people in my life, not me directly.
Anyway, whether there is something to it or not I found it extremely therapeutic and comforting at a time when I needed to find some new direction in my life.(which I presume is the reason most people seek these sort of sessions) Far cheaper than any counselling session and a lot more fun. The only danger with this is if people make life changing decisions based only on readings of any sort.

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 24, 2008 11:02 PM

thelynathdiary...he claims to be broadminded and attacks me for being open minded. Actually I read Dawkins and a range of books...and have a Steven Pinker book sitting here that someone lent me - which looked a bit of an ordeal to read...called "How the Mind Works"...perhaps I should read it and maybe it only looks boring.

a microbial experiment...now you do have a way with words lynath.

Marcus perhaps you can rewrite my profile for me,then as you would do a much better job I am sure with your academic skills far surpassing mine. Thanks for your feedback, it is so helpful.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 11:00 PM

SSC, don't worry about "on topic/off topic" - it doesn't seem to matter to most of us, and the topic subjects are pretty lame anyway....

My feelings re your overseas man is to not continue contact - not because he's the worst man in the universe for doing what he did or anything - not for anyone to judge that perhaps, certainly not me - merely because I suspect it will just cause you more pain in the long run. That's it, really, just my opinion, and of course you must do exactly what feels right for you to do (and check any runes, astrological reading or whatever in the process should you choose, and blow what anybody else thinks about those things if they're relevant to you).

For myself, I've been involved with someone I met through the blogs, sort of, some months ago, but it has all - finally - come crashing down in a heap too. So I'm not particularly happy right now either - but hey, it will pass, for both for us. You come across generally as a very positive lady, and I'm sure that will stand you in good stead.

Posted by: malsie at February 24, 2008 10:56 PM

SSC.....ignore him and like most annoying things hope he goes away (Marcus that is). It's more than likely yet another clone.

It's a case of yet another person knowing nothing about you (or anyone for that matter), trying desperately to be funny and sarcastic, and being neither....

I'm with you on the likes of Hines and the Scientologists, the rich get richer...the poorer struggle to make sense of it all....

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at February 24, 2008 10:51 PM

He is a microbial experiment between Somelifeinmeyet and Earl Wyoming.....

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 24, 2008 10:40 PM

From the look in I took at slightsynchronicity's profile and her astrological blathering I would not blame the OS bloke for taking the closer option.You would not want to be waiting until Mercury went retrograde up Uranus or a Libran with a mind so open had her brains fall out of her backside before you could meet.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 24, 2008 8:31 PM

Marcus that is so rude and uncalled for. My profile is about to change as I had it like it is to not attract kisses or other contact but to blog. It had some changes and I left the old stuff and if you do not know about something, why comment. On your profile you state that you enjoy debunking myths and such. The character traits of Vedic, Western and Chinese Astrology are often accurate. I do not consult my daily horoscope but am interested in learning about people. I take most things I hear with a grain of salt and am particularly terrified of Benny Hinn and Scientologists. Why would you attack someone you don't even know. My German penpal obviously could not keep his **** in his pants. As someone with Scandanavian ancestry...I find things like Runes interesting although I know nothing about them. Stop looking at my profile if it bores you so much. Let me guess what star sign you are?

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 10:21 PM

EEwww Marcus a bit of sting there...... I do believe that oldergent was trying to be supportive of SCC, something that does no harm......lighten up there a bit or you may rust away.
Kindness never hurt anyone...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 24, 2008 10:16 PM

I wonder what poeple's views are on clairvoyants,tarot readers,numerology etc? How many of us choose a path because of their beliefs. I am still questioning the possibility of these things. Recently while at my hairdresser who also does card readings,she was talking to a brand new client of hers in the chair next to me. She then asked the client if her mum had recently passed away.On a positive reply she then added that the mum said' that her daughter (the client) normally has curly hair and did she remember her childhood favourite doll called Wendy.The client just couldn't believe what she had heard and shed a few joyful tears. I have known my hairdresser for a few years and some odd things have happened.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 24, 2008 10:08 PM

fer farkus markus..

We are not well equipped for life unless our education included lessons in respect & courtesy..

& we paid attention..

It seems you may have been gazing out of the window.

Posted by: decoratress at February 24, 2008 10:05 PM

Timewarp1 - impressed by your lyrics - great stuff!! Put it to music and you might have a hit!

My apologies - I re-visibilsed myself for a little while to say hello, but since I am still technically "seeing someone" (even tho I haven't actually seen him lately), I'm being good, laying low and keeping away from three or moresomes :)

laughsandtalks - be kind, please, to different people's thoughts and understandings, just because they differ from your own system of beliefs! Have you ever wondered what's beyond intellect; what is that thing Jung descibed called synchronicity, not to mention intuition?

Hhhmmm... people getting a bit narky in here...

Posted by: riversong1 at February 24, 2008 9:45 PM

Hi again blueeyes,
no the Runes do not work when I ask a personal question.

To each his own Marcus, tea leaves and Tarot can be linked to the mysterious, like claivoyance. I did find it a bit strange when my clairvoyant told me I would win a good win on Powerball and 6 months later I did to the $ and in the week she said I would So hopefully she will tell me the same thing again and I can win several thousands again. Being educated does not make you intelligent Marcus, I have met a lot of educated idiots Marcus, but never an intelligent one, nor does education stop you from being biggoted. The rest of your comment is not worthy of a reply.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 24, 2008 9:28 PM

laughsandtalks: maybe the blogs aren't the place for you since you clearly believe yourself to be far superior to so many of us.

Does that attitude work for you as a dating strategy?

Posted by: archerrising at February 24, 2008 8:43 PM

blueeyes1955. The runes are Nordic hocus pocus. The rune interpreter is supposed to interpret and prognosticate motivations and the future from the random picking of 3 items from their alphabet. These are special characters carved into blocks of fruit tree wood. About as likely an accurate predictor as tea leaves or Tarot.
Older Gent. Check to see if your fly is not down especially when giving partnering advice. Consult the Runes? Fer farks sake, get real. Some of us are educated adults here.
From the look in I took at slightsynchronicity's profile and her astrological blathering I would not blame the OS bloke for taking the closer option.You would not want to be waiting until Mercury went retrograde up Uranus or a Libran with a mind so open had her brains fall out of her backside before you could meet.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 24, 2008 8:31 PM

Thanks OG. Do you consult your 'runes' before each date? MAybe I should get some and that would save me a lot of time 'gardening' is you get my drift.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 24, 2008 8:27 PM

Hi Blueeyes,
The Runes are a number of stones or any other material with an ancient norse character printed or embossed on them. The Vikings always consulted before any major event, by the sharman or a master or mistress of the rune. They were in wide use in all places the Norse people settled. There are many dabblers who buy them to practice. But to be effective they must be made or gifted by/to you, then more importantly they must resonate to you, to be truly effective.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 24, 2008 8:14 PM

I'll see if tennis jazzes me up. And thank you very much for thinking about me, when you have troubles of your own.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 7:51 PM

Hey timewarp1..you at least have been out there in the real world!!!!!!! meeting more potentials than most of us it seems and attending a blog meet or two. Thanks for your concern and yes I thought he may be did want to have his cake and eat another cake also, maybe later if he felt like it. He told me about it cos I asked him to tell me if he moved on, as I suspected...I had to prise it out of him, very good at that BTW.
Sorry to hear you missed your friends party and do you think everything is a matter of timing really...hope that you have uplifted spirits soon, Aliane should write a book of inspirational pages or paragraphs..she never fails to make me smile. when jen recovers from the weekend perhaps she will post a joke. if you are that busy that you forget something like that, your friend would understand. That is what friends are for. Cheers and I may retire from here and walk my dog who loves me unconditionally. Enjoy the tennis and i have all this spare time now...which has to be a good thing.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 8:06 PM

Thanks OG, malsie, auntykaz, wishful...
Well OG..I did read your post about the characters of starsigns. Am Libran, real close to Virgo cusp...
All my friends just about seem like the same person..I continually meet up with Virgoans, fellow Librans, Capricorns, Aquarius and get on real well, have conflict but passion with some Sag. and interest and passion with Aries seemingly. The sparks fly but I have not dated these. Taurus males and Pisces males did not seem to do it for me, but it depends on the date they were born. (that is based on my research of two men btw) Geminis seem OK for me. yes I have noticed similarly to you OG and thanks for the rune reading. I am being still and one of my close friends today said I seemed grounded and happy. Not sure about the fish OG but I spend lots of time at the beach : ))

On topic I say, be romantic if you can, but try to do things the other person would like..my ex did not like it when I gave him flowers. A guy I dated gave me sooooo many bunches of flowers I wished for something else occasionally. It was sweet but kind of overkill. We are often never satisfied. I have a story twoeyes about spoiling a guy romantically but would have to be in the right frame of mind to post it...and jog the memory somewhat. See if I can compose it before the topic closes. Maybe saying how you feel and not being scared to tell someone you love them if you do and loving things like notes, poems, getting (not burning) the loved ones favourite music is a great idea. A present of tickets to their favourite band and of course you go with them would be a nice gesture. If they are into fishing...a fishing related gift..how about a romantic fishing weekend. Is that possible..my ex and I tried it at Ardrossan catching crabs : )) by hand nets...the crabbing was fun...but the rest of it was dreary and dull. A sport oriented male could like a car racing themed gift and so on...and no I wont mention footy as that has been covered.

Oh dear...well you could find out your partners favourite fantasy (if you did not know) and try to help act it out.........if possible.
IMHO

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 7:58 PM

SSC: I believe your overseas romantic penfriend is trying to have a bob each way - latecomer local lass there and now, hot and heavy, and you on the back burner - but not actually for him to come and visit you briefly for a single orgy some year or other (sounds too stingey) but actually just to let him play Schlemiel (Games People Play, Eric Berne.)

Schlemiel's game is to hurt you, and then have you forgive him. Double payoff: enjoy making trouble and then getting away with it.

Decide how much self-esteem you have, and then how much trust you could ever have in someone who is fair game for any passing adventuress playing a fast game of flying fanny - and then who is happy to tell the competition all about it.

To lead you on, and then dally elsewhere is human, but unacceptable. To tell you about it is cruel. He's already dumped your loving gear, so dump his computer. With a final email that says it like it is, and that you won't be reading any of his future emails, if any. Ever.

PS. I'm OK thanks. Well, OK enough, I guess. 90 mins late to our monthly poetry group on Fri night because I was so depressed.

It was at Anita's this month. Met her when I answered her Personal, 12 years ago. Didn't fancy one another, but been very good mates ever since. I finally polish her latest competition poem for a baked dinner - that sort of thing.

Just phoned by her then - I'd totally forgotten her 70th birthday party today, and she wanted to know if I was OK. So I probably aren't OK, to miss that.

We were all going to perform in turn to entertain everyone in a little church hall. I'm taking her to a movie on Fri afternoon.

I'll see if tennis jazzes me up. And thank you very much for thinking about me, when you have troubles of your own.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 7:51 PM

what is meant by 'runes' OG. Am still trying to keep up with these stories.

Posted by: blueeyes1955 at February 24, 2008 7:39 PM

SSC,
I just did the Runes for you on your situation and they advise to stay still for a period, till there is a thaw, that supports my gut feeling.
OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 24, 2008 7:34 PM

SSC.
Have you ever wondered what a fish feels like on the end of a hook, you asked for a strong feeling, is there another fish on the other hook. Maybe it is time to close the line to the heart, take a week off the texts and see what you feel then. He has know and conversed with you for 12 months and in a period of 3 weeks ?
Sincerley OG
I go with Malsie on this one.

Posted by: oldergent at February 24, 2008 7:31 PM

Well guys in the words of one of my favorite singer / songwriters, the everlasting Neil Young and l quote

"Yes only love can break your heart, try to be sure right from the start"

Seems simple don't it?? Good old Neil, always up for a top line quote.........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 24, 2008 6:28 PM

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at February 24, 2008 5:54 PM

wishful are you referring to three
or being possible future friends with him.
Following our hearts is what we should do. Has anyone read "The Girls Book of Rules". (NF's favourite, I bet...a friend swears by it..so many rules.
Thats good advice wishful, thanks.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 5:58 PM

SSC, that's a hard one - you have to follow your heart and do what is best for you. I'm not sure I could initially, but down the track I might...

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at February 24, 2008 5:54 PM

abckenny: If it takes 2 to tango, as riversong just pointed out, I see the logic of your following suggestion - if there were 3 of you present, at least 2 might be up for dancing at the same time, while the third watched the video to try to get in the mood ....

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 12:58 AM

ROTFLMAO...I can't even meet one person and you guys are talking about three!!!!!!! Oh and apologies for so many posts...may not get back here tonight.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 5:32 PM

thecannulator, now that is a nice tale, how heartwarming : ))

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 5:28 PM

Moral: it's the feeling that counts more than the cost/ extravagant gestures.

Posted by: riversong1 at February 23, 2008 11:56 PM

Riversong1...you sure have some contrasts there and once a man baked me a Valentine's Day cake...my favourite kind, with icing. That was touching. Grand gestures do not mean its a great love and surely the simple things are great. To be with someone who knows that you do not expect to be showered with jewellery and that you do not have to go everywhere 5 star. To appreciate the small things...a good point.

The feeling is much more important than the gesture.

Timewarp...I hope you are OK, you seem to be burning the candle at both ends a bit. Hope you find Ms Right Enuf when the time is right. How is the poetry group and everything.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 5:26 PM

SSC, that really sucks - a year is a long time, and real attachments are formed, even if you never met (by the sound of it you didn't). I hope you meet someone more local soon.

Posted by: malsie at February 23, 2008 11:23

Thanks malsie, no we did not meet but were going to in April, he wants to be friends and I called him names by text message as we have not even spoken by phone due to his finances and I was not about to pay for the phone call to be dumped by. I guess anyway as some men do the thing where they don't say anything and you know something is up. There is a bond and I do not know what to do...he wants to be friends still and meet one day. Am not in a hurry to go out and meet anyone local or otherwise but at least I do not have to hang around for chat as you know how it is with synchronizing schedules with the time difference. This is very off topic, but does anyone feel strongly that I should absolutely not have contact with him anymore after we have said what we have to say to each other. He is still explaining things to me, then waiting for my email back to see how I react...we are both geeks really.

As we have not met are the rules different? The feelings are the same. Not bothered if noone responds as it is off topic and maybe the next topic will be about how to break up with someone gracefully.

Hope that cupid has you in his sights malsie if it has not happened already. I just worry that my cynicism will grow...

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 24, 2008 5:18 PM

The cannulator: Loved your story. You two are well met.

And how affirming of your Other to reply to your gift with one in kind - and one that would boost your status ar work even more, by the careful choice of the courier. Smouchagram service?

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 4:22 PM

TLD: Thank you so much for being on all of my wavelengths. Makes the effort worthwhile after all, even late at night when the brains have already clocked off, and

ALIANE: You have a kind nature and a beautiful heart. Thank you for caring about me and my past and present difficulties.

But do not worry. I'm now much better, thanks. I've been relatively poor so long now that I've learnt how to have a beer life on a water income.

And I'm such a dogged optimist that I'm sure that Ms Right-Enuff who thinks I'm Mr Right-Enuff is just round the corner. Some corner, somewhere.

KAZ: Do you know any other casting agents? For my show, as well as Kenny's?

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 4:14 PM

I would normally say that every day is special with my 'special' friend. However this year it was early for my new very special friend and thought it was worth sending a single rose in a vase.

She got it and was blown away. So I got a very nice text.

I was working all afternoon and night and was surprised when a beautiful woman turned up at my work unexpectedly with the richest chocolate mud cupcake with a big Icing love heart in it with a big hug and kiss!

Well it's tacky, and I still think it's a marketing teams dream day but this once got to do something special. (and to see the anger on the faces of the girls at work who got nothing.........priceless)

Posted by: thecannulator at February 24, 2008 3:28 PM

Kenny and interpreter, thanks for clearing that up.

Quite possibly the script calls for a massive rewrite then, or maybe new casting agents...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 24, 2008 2:52 PM

Thank you interpreter.
I think the original question was how do we continue with the production if the selected leading lady has turned down the role and all of the recent applicants are bit players.

Posted by: abckenny at February 24, 2008 2:36 PM

Interpreter.....
earlier post he is using the metaphor of a movie production to describe how you might eventuatlly cast 'the one' in your own life's production
most recent post...he has been up early...no one here to play with so has gone to do his laundry... and he is referring to real time as opposed to daylight saving time...

Posted by: thelynathdiary at February 24, 2008 2:00 PM

Kaz What the ???? Indeed
left me scratching my head too.

Posted by: abckenny at February 24, 2008 1:34 PM

Timewarp...what the???............K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 24, 2008 1:09 PM

Good morning all. Actually nearly afternoon, sun time.

Hope you all enjoyed your sleep in, or that you've found a life. But it's lonely in the sandpit without any company, so I'll go to the laundromat.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 12:33 PM

Kenny, this is difficult, especially at this moment when my brains have just clocked off for the night, after the final massive encoding exercise of my last post. But I'll have a try without them. Just for you, mate.

Need ONE for a start. (No show without Punch. Or at least Flying Ninja. Except in Chick Flick, and at this stage, we're not trying to give chick the flick - that can come later, perhaps. If she proves not to be The One, after all.)

Attention Props Dept: Please contact BBC props dept in London and hire Tardis for time-trip back to 1970s to read vintage US comic strip "Churchie la Femme".

Attention Subtitles Dept: Prepare subtitle for Australian market: "Chasing after Shielas". (No Punch without Show.)

Attention Casting: Recommend casting abcKenny in romantic hero role. (Matinee-idol looks, already lives in Queensland near Movie World, and will save cost of makeup to make actor look like abcKenny, and voice coach to make actor sound like him.)

Attention Extras Casting: Send out broadcast email to all local actor's agents, and pin flyers in all coffee lounges, bars, nightclubs and university cafeterias for 50km around (ladies lipstick room proven to be best place.)

Text: Will you prove to be The One???Wanted: Extras for auditions for role of romantic lead in upcoming reality series "A date with abcKenny". (Then paste on candidate-selection criteria, copied from his RSVP perfect partner profile.)

List selected contestants in strict alphabetical order, which will be strictly followed in the sequence of auditions, to honour the alphabetical corporate image of the show.

...........................................................

Ken, a mate's a mate, but my eyes are crossing, and that's about as far as I can manage at the moment, before I snore.

But you get the drift. You're The One, because it's all about you, and you're the one that's chosen first. (Called actor, because you will be the one to be acting a part, in front of all the chicks in turn, while each of them is being the one that you're screen-testing at the moment..

The final successful candidate will be The One for you, because you think she's The One. But there's no guarantee that she'll think that you're The One for her. Which is why it's a reality show, because that's how it is in real life.

I'm just looking for Ms Right-Enuff for me, who thinks I'm Mr Right-Enuff for her. That's complicated enough for me.

Actually it's a lot easier, because she doesn't have to be The One for me, or I The One for her - I'm into near enough is close enough to good enough, (but I reserve the right to define "near".)

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 2:21 AM

Riversong1:

How sweet your song
as you burble along!
And I'm feeling your kiss on my cheek.

But the night is so black
that I can't see a thing.
So I'm feeling deprived -
you're so near, but so far.

And all I can think of is "more please" -
a chance to SEE those kissy lips
and plumb those inscrutable eyes.

And all I need is a frame
to surround your beauty,
words to describe it,
and a rainbow to enfold it -
preferably in profile.

....................................

Kianee, don't get your hopes up - this is only my prose. I need a P.O.Box number to inspire a sample of my poetry.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 1:22 AM

Wasn't disagreeing Bill.
Was just thinking ...how do we arrive at two if we are just one ? without looking for the ONE.!!!

Posted by: abckenny at February 24, 2008 1:14 AM

abckenny: If it takes 2 to tango, as riversong just pointed out, I see the logic of your following suggestion - if there were 3 of you present, at least 2 might be up for dancing at the same time, while the third watched the video to try to get in the mood ....

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 24, 2008 12:58 AM

AH riversong that had never occurred to me.
A threesome.Is this the right site for that?

Posted by: abckenny at February 24, 2008 12:38 AM

I can only gree with you riversong, some people just can't understand. No doubt your ex-husband was miffed that you were so 'ungrateful' when he had (he thought) tried so hard to please you. But you know when they mean it and when it is just about impressing others (look what I did and she still isn't happy!!).

The perception that Valentine's Day is just about pleasing women is mostly based on the commercialisation of it all. The papers and TV ads are all about giving diamonds and flowers, etc to women. You don't see too many ads about women giving gifts to men (I'm not sure I've actually seen one!)
The trouble with this idea is that it sets many men up for failure. If there is a problem with your relationship, giving jewellery and flowers is not going to fix it! She is not going to melt into your arms for a passionate night of love-making if you are going to take her for granted for the rest of the year!!

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 24, 2008 12:16 AM

Two-eyes, I think the lingerie might not fit :)

ABCkenny - "the one" is no use - it takes two.

W&W thanks - yep.

istj54 - the little things count - right as usual.

My worst V Day: - with ex husband - surprise - top of Rialto suite - dozen long stemmed roses, champagne, pillow menu, the works - spent crying while he watched porno video... my best: holding hands bare foot on sunset beach...

Moral: it's the feeling that counts more than the cost/ extravagant gestures.

Posted by: riversong1 at February 23, 2008 11:56 PM

Amberlight58 asked me on the other blog if my wife had ever done anything significantly nice to me. More relevant to reply here and now:

Yes: once. We'd been married about 15 years and I had an on-my-feet-most-of-the-day job, and tired, often sore feet each evening.

She gave me a foot-pampering kit for my birthday: almond ointment and rasps and brushes and things that un-limber post-polio forty-something me wouldn't be able to reach down far enough to use on myself.

Then she amazed and delighted me by spending 15 minutes of her own time washing my feet and trying out the various new toys on them. Then she said "God this is boring" and that was that.

Twoeyes - do you happen to have a sister/aunt/anyone, in their early 60s?

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 23, 2008 11:32 PM

SSC, that really sucks - a year is a long time, and real attachments are formed, even if you never met (by the sound of it you didn't). I hope you meet someone more local soon.

Posted by: malsie at February 23, 2008 11:23 PM

Yes there is no special day for this to happen, but i am still waiting for the day that it happens.

Posted by: twoeyes at February 23, 2008 9:57 PM

Farout twoeyes, you sure put your heart on the line and went the extra mile...much more than a lot of men would I'm sure. Women should be able to spoil and pamper their man too, I wonder if many women would think a guy might like to be spoiled like that or the guys version of it. How romantic, the most romantic thing I have heard on this topic and possibly on the whole blog. Have just been cyberdumped by email by the guy from Germany I emailed, chatted, phoned, smsed with for 1 year. He met someone 3 weeks ago on a holiday and is moving in with her...boo hooo.

Cheers from SSC

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 23, 2008 11:01 PM

Even more so after meeting 'The ONE' and you don't happen to quite be their ONE

Posted by: abckenny at February 23, 2008 8:42 PM

abckenny, that is hard to take when it happens for sure...

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 23, 2008 10:53 PM

I just wanted to say hi to everyone, I love reading thse blogs! Maybe one day my posts will arrive on the page as well.... ( lets see if this one ends up there or cyber space!).....

Posted by: robbiewilliamscallme at February 23, 2008 10:38 PM

I have never heard any story from anyone about a female that did something like that for her man

. no intrigue,

Yes there are the little things but maybe there should be a movie made out of that. Not quite when harry met sally, but you know what i mean.

I would like something like that to happen to me.

She said no a week later btw.

and she was a size 12-14 so the dress would have fitted i am sure.

Yes there is no special day for this to happen, but i ams till waiting for the day that it happens.

Posted by: twoeyes at February 23, 2008 9:57 PM

......oh hang on it wasn't me!!!!!
That's why the dress didn't fit Kaz
...seriously, Twoeyes, that was a very poignant post. Did she say no that morning after? Did you continue to see her for a while after? Am I being a sticky beak now?
Women do things for men too...like put cute little messages in lunch boxes...buy favourite snacks, drinks, treats...wear that sexy underwear...like we think it is comfy...cook favourite dishes...laugh at your jokes...whisper if we think you are asleep...keep the kids quiet...it's just the usual give and take, ebb and flow of daily living...being considerate. We don't need a day to do this. That is just commercial hype- makes osme people feel great, some feel bad/sad...and many just don't give it a thought.

Posted by: istj54 at February 23, 2008 9:45 PM

Twoeyes what a Valentine's Day treat....I loved the intrigue and sheer pampering......oh hang on it wasn't me!!!!!
Seriously a beautiful thing to do for someone that you loved.....

As for why women don't do that sort of thing, don't you think that maybe Valentines Day is aimed more at spoiling your woman by those that market it as a big day???
You know, buying chocolates, flowers and lingerie??? More that a man would go to those lengths than vice versa. Just a thought is all............K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 23, 2008 9:27 PM

I remember a long time ago when i lived in shepparton, and was madly inlove with someone, I organized for her mother to pick up her kids from school, and told her that when she got home from work just to do whatever the notes said, as she found them around the house...

Her mother took the kids to her place as a sleepover , which they thought was great.

My lady came home from her work, she owned a bakery, and found the first note on the front door. It said do not worry about the kids they are with your mum, go inside and read the note on the bench. The note on the bench read, open the fridge and have a bourbon can, then go into the bedroom.

In the bedroom was a box on the bed, and the note said have a shower, ( cos i know you pong after baking all day It was a joke btw), then put on whats in the box. Inside the box was a dress i had bought her along with some nice lingerie, and a note saying after having done this, wait, till the phone rings.

She did, and when the phone rang, the person asked her if she was ready, and she said yes, and was told to go outside. There was a limo waiting for her, and it took her to the restaurant that I was at. She was really suprised, and loved it. After dinner I told her that she didnt have to go to work early the next day, as I had organized it with the other girls in the shop, to cover for her till she got there....

When dinner was finished, she asked me if we were going home, and i said of course not. I had booked a room with a huge spa, at the place where we had had dinner. We spent the night there and i had even made a tape with her fav songs on it. We sat in the spa drinking baileys with cointreau.

We left the next morning at 11 am and i took her to her place, where i asked her if should would like to get married, and she said.............

Well needless to say she is still in shepparton and i am now in Melbourne. Well too bad so sad her loss, At least i tried.

Ok then so why is Valentines Day been turned into being about the ladies. Why is that some ladies make a deal out of it if their partner forgets, but they have forgotten about their partner themselves.
Valentines Day isnt gender specific, isnt it about both people sharing and showing their love for each other. Surely it isnt that hard for the ladies to reciprocat the act of giving on this auspiscious day

Posted by: singledave1969 at February 23, 2008 6:39 PM

Yes so tell me why is that ? Why couldnt a woman do this for a male she was in love with?????????????

Posted by: twoeyes at February 23, 2008 9:17 PM

abckenny - yes, yes, yes.

Posted by: woodnwine at February 23, 2008 8:44 PM

istj54 We all just become a little more cynical with each new person we encounter..Isn't that the truth.So much so that it reaches the stage where you are not sure if you want to put yourself through it again.Even more so after meeting 'The ONE' and you don't happen to quite be their ONE

Posted by: abckenny at February 23, 2008 8:42 PM

riversong, istj & kaz - yes I agree, these 3 monthers really stuff you areound don't they? They have their mind made up before they start the "relationship".

Posted by: woodnwine at February 23, 2008 8:22 PM

Singledave1969 - I agree it works both ways. The thoughtful gift I tenderly wrapped remains ungiven, because he decided to disappear ("busy") for the week.
istj54 - not quite a 3 monther - only made it half way to the 6 week mark (and V Day) this time!

On the bright side - I'm getter better at spotting/ understanding them!

Some more translations:
"busy" = I'm shagging someone else
"I need space" = bugger off and get off my case
no response to sms/email = lost interest/ already on to next page (just too gutless to to clear up previous)

I agree with singledave1969 - I wish the Players/ emotionally impotent/ empathy challenged/ relationship phobic would just go away and play somewhere else!! They are a real pain, especially when so very good at their game (lots of practice).

Annoyed - you bet. Cynical? Or just realistic? ;)

I can't change what the Players do - all I can do is try to keep out of their games (fortunately much easier without the oxytocin burst!)

Posted by: riversong1 at February 23, 2008 8:07 PM

Singledave 1969: Mate, you are a genius. That thought was a real gob-smacker for me! Why the hell not?

You have just raised what I don't think anyone has ever said - it's just another relic of the past arrangements, where he wooed her with gifts and sweet talk first, so she'd marry him and then be his unpaid servant and mattress for ever, in exchange for getting one hand into his pay packet, and the other peeling a spud, rocking a cradle or darning a sock.

And the bonus of a small gift on each of her birthday, Jesus' alleged birthday, mothers' day and valentines day, to acknowledge and justify her honorary status. (ie. unpaid voluntary worker)

No wonder wives traditionally felt hurt if he ever forgot any of those 4 small annual rituals,

But now that most couples both work, why shouldn't the increasing numbers of house-husbands feel equally devalued, if she doesn't wait till the children are asleep on every Valentines Night, and then sneak up on him with a rose between her teeth, a glint in her eye, and ...(censored)

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 23, 2008 7:16 PM

istj@ 5.28 pm....interesting and valid point you make there, cynicism is something that is an inevitable result of the three month player syndrome l think.
Please don't assume, guys, that l am only talking about men, as most things l post relate to men and women, and the male player is not an extinct species any more than the female counterpart.
The player is the master of the conscience free zone, that area inhabited by narcissistic, self absorbed individualistic thought and action.

The player has no thought of their actions and consequnces hurting others despite maybe saying they do.

Offputting....hell yeah!!!
Soul destroying?? not on your life...

Oh and would l love to out a player???..
You bet l would....

But feel free to out those that you feel the need to.......it will be interesting at the very least...........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 23, 2008 7:00 PM

Ok then so why is Valentines Day been turned into being about the ladies. Why is that some ladies make a deal out of it if their partner forgets, but they have forgotten about their partner themselves.
Valentines Day isnt gender specific, isnt it about both people sharing and showing their love for each other. Surely it isnt that hard for the ladies to reciprocat the act of giving on this auspiscious day

Posted by: singledave1969 at February 23, 2008 6:39 PM

Thanks, istj54, for the uplifting and positive sentiments, and think you're quite right. Foot is getting better, sun is attempting to come out, and come to think of it, as a dear friend replied a while back (when I said "men, can't live with 'em, and can't shoot 'em") "of course you can, darling, just be careful where you bury them".....so there's food for thought as well :)

Posted by: malsie at February 23, 2008 6:08 PM

Riversong...sounds like you have encountered more "three monthers". They seem to inhabit this site, both male and female. You have to wonder if they set out to do it deliberately or it just happens. Hard to say, but off-putting.

We all just become a little more cynical with each new person we encounter.

Posted by: istj54 at February 23, 2008 5:28 PM

Malsie...the rain...water tank...bucketting...sore leg...could well be an analogy for your "traumas"...the rain will stop, your tank will be full, the sun will shine and your leg will get better:))

Posted by: istj54 at February 23, 2008 5:21 PM

St Valentine's day? I love the concept, and am all for anything that promotes spreading a bit of joy, love and good feelings. The commercial hype is all over-rated, but it's still the thought that counts - a single hand-picked flower serves as well as a flashy florist bunch.

Unfortunately, some guys appear to have a mental bock against it - gee - it must hurt so much to show a little feeling, or give a sign of affection!!

Hey, if it's Ok for singledave1969, let's do it!:
Ladies - beware loch34, kevvyk and millkeway (reelme/rarecontents) - morality/conscience free-zones and spiritual wastelands that will smooth talk you then ditch you as soon as you start to fall for them. Come to think of it - there are a lot more of where they came from in here as well!!
Has anyone had any experience with moonlightmile?

Posted by: riversong1 at February 23, 2008 4:51 PM

No worries, amberlight. I did the same myself with reading glasses until bowing to the inevitable...

Dust storms? Quite a contrast to here, where, yep, it's still raining. But I'm letting the buckets overflow now instead of jumping up and down to the rain tank. I think I was a bit over zealous and perhaps a touch obsessive yesterday, and today will cherish my body a little better, especially when emotionally going through a few traumas - hope your day going well :)

Posted by: malsie at February 23, 2008 4:28 PM

Sorry Malsie,
Now I have a closer look! Perhaps I do really need glasses after all (I've been putting the inevitable off for ages because "it's not quite that bad yet!")

We have been having dust storms in SA; yesterday was a ripper

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 23, 2008 3:48 PM

amberlight, yes, we have rain!!! Bucket loads in fact (as I proved to myself yesterday with my constant runs to the tank). My foot still a bit sore, but heaps better, thanks. By the way - not that I'm really bothered but just commenting - it's malsie with an L, not maisie with an I :)

Posted by: malsie at February 23, 2008 3:29 PM

VDU...all is forgiven - how could you resist such a tempting offer - we shall save you a place at the next one :)

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at February 23, 2008 3:03 PM

Maisie,
You have rain?...........
Hope the foot feels better :)

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 23, 2008 2:09 PM

Now, I do like that phrase, aliane "compassionate Samaritans is the greatest things"....

It's way past my bedtime, but have hurt my foot jumping up and down to one of my water tanks for 2 hours with buckets of water from the rain attempting to fill it, seeing as have had a problem in last few weeks running out of water. The throbbing in the foot is stopping me sleeping, and pain killers don't seem to be doing anything so far....
sure all will be heaps better in the morrow....

Posted by: malsie at February 23, 2008 1:01 AM

Hi Marcus,
Valentines day may be over commercial and notice that Easter eggs came out straight after VDay? So there is no respite at all and straight from one "special" day to the other. However tacky as Karina puts it, that the day may be, most women (surely) in Australia would be a bit pleased to recieve a lovely bunch of flowers from a lover. Recieving e-cards and greetings from friends and a romantic txt msg from a penpal was nice enough. Was not miserable to not be in a relationship on Valentines, it really is just another day. Not sure what guys really like for Valentine's Day and no, I am not posting that thought anyway...

People should show their affection all year round if they have any.Marcus, if you can not tolerate when some bloggers wax lyrical, you could scroll past the post, as posting a blog is a choice (like reading them) and most of us like Aliane's posts and oldergent is newish to the blog as far as I know. BTW I am actually very cynical about a lot of things, but reading the blog is as close to having a bedtime story told to me as I am getting right now and I like this blog when it is positive. And what is wrong with that???

Aliane, I admire the way you word things. It seems you get more angelic sounding with your posts and I think you do have a good wisdom. East meets West with a good dose of Fairytale with a happy ending thrown in.

Posted by: slightsynchronicity at February 23, 2008 12:42 AM

Good night all a Championship shoot tomorrow and Sunday. Alianne you haven't helped with the cause, now I will be thinking of the Quotes all weekend.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 23, 2008 12:04 AM

VDU 10:39 yes, you are forgiven. Must admit I would have taken the same option if I had it.

Unfortunately with my 3 and 5yo kids if I tell them it is Valentines Day they just look at me and say great when do they get their presents.

Posted by: willow1059 at February 22, 2008 11:48 PM

Stop doing this to me woman, I am in deep dissussion with the Noble Virgil as to the ethics of our respective generations. Wait he may be more elucidate with Will so I will beseach him for support.

Posted by: oldergent at February 22, 2008 10:59 PM

To the first retort, LAT''s ?
I can not in all honesty refute most of what you expound in the ancients, but I believe what I believe and having almost got over to the other side before being sent back, I can see the dissolutionment in the organised religon as taught today, but it is everyones right to believe their wont (as long as it does not impinge theirs on others), if you believe that one soul cannot reach out to succour another, then you are a poor specimen of,humanity and not worthy of any grace.
Aliane, you will send me to my compendium, unless you tell me the part and passage. saving me to go through the lot, though I have a bit of an idea.
Cheers Og

Posted by: oldergent at February 22, 2008 10:21 PM

to me, it's lovely to see 2 people getting on well (or lots of people) - friendship/romantic - whatever. It's lovely - enjoy yourselves. Connect, don't get cranky. Or is that indeed how some people do enjoy themselves?

Posted by: malsie at February 22, 2008 9:49 PM

Back on to topic for what it is worth.
Valentines feast or day is another one of those subversive Christian catholic church acts of cultural vandalism.
The Christians have invented a feast day in honor of a 'Saint' whose acts 'are known only to god' according to his promulgators, and superimposed it on a perfectly good, if somewhat old Roman celebration in honor of the bloke who kept the wolves away from the emperors sheep.
Anyway, like a lot of these Christian nonsenses they have been turned into defacto beauty contests. I will wager that somewhere out there someone (probably a feminist) has a publicly funded research project designed to show the psychological damage done to those women who were not Valentined...
On another, related tack. OG and Aliane, I have almost had to look away from your literary embraces this evening.
They do have a semi usable instant message service here for the sort of mutual admiration you two are displaying. I will shout the stamp if it helps.
Cheers Marcus

Posted by: laughsandtalks at February 22, 2008 9:05 PM

Translated into an old poets terminology.
" If I am willing to walk in your shoes, and you in mine for this life, then we share eternity.
Seems right to me.
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 22, 2008 7:31 PM

Thank you Beautiful Lady,
Your secret is safe with me, I enjoy your philosophy on life, and understand your needs, it is a great sadness that the man you seek does not have the wisdom to recognise you for what you are.
respectfully, OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 22, 2008 6:40 PM

ailane, I do not wish to appear rude but your profile is hidden (no problem, your choice), what I would like to ask is "what is your height"?
Cheers OG

Posted by: oldergent at February 22, 2008 4:59 PM

abckenny just then: Beautifully put, sir. And so perceptive. Goodonyer.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 22, 2008 1:36 PM

WnW
Perhaps they were appreciated but she didn't know how to respond without hurting you further so she chose to say nothing.

Posted by: abckenny at February 22, 2008 1:30 PM

abckenny .... I know, but at least I felt good about sending them ... even if they weren't appreciated. Life sux sometimes.

Posted by: woodnwine at February 22, 2008 1:00 PM

Sorry Willow and WT3... I know I suggested the Valentine's Day get together but my night's plans took an unexpected turn for the better...

I did pop into the blog and was in the process of catching up with the comments when my daughter and her boyfriend returned home from dinner and presented me with flowers and champagne - Ryan didn't want me to feel left out, God bless him!!!

We spent the next few hours sipping champers, laughing and talking together and honestly, it was the best Valentine's Day I've had in a very long time.

Am I forgiven??

Posted by: victoriadownunder at February 22, 2008 10:39 AM

Yes Willow...busy I was...whiling away the hours waiting for that out of the blue bunch of flowers to turn up, the chocolates to find my front door (preferably in the hands of someone tall, dark and handsome and NOT related to me), and of course the elusive phone calls :)

But yes....great virtual Valentines....can't imagine why VDU didn't show up!!!

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at February 21, 2008 9:48 PM

Virgil, glad to be of assistance. Excellent choice to put the client first, after all you need to earn the money to pay for the membership.

I hope to get there on Sunday when I am kid free.

Posted by: willow1059 at February 21, 2008 9:42 PM

thanks for the gyn tip willow, nearly got there today, when a new client rang so I went to see her instead.

Posted by: virgil at February 21, 2008 9:30 PM

hi
Auntiekazi think gym attendance is a bit addictive to me, I seem to start off slow, maybe aqua aeribics, then add body pump, then Balance, and somtimes I did 3 in one day, and really paid for it afterwards. One day partner was feeling unwell so I put in a class, then about an hour swimming, expecting then to veg in front of TV for rest of day, unfortunately a 40 min walk in the banksia forrest followed that.

Several days of norm on the couch followed that.

Posted by: virgil at February 21, 2008 9:23 PM

wishful 6:44PM "This one came and went....first one in 20+ years I've not had anyone around - and did I miss it - not in the slightest....."

Perhaps you were too busy to miss it since we had a Willow RSVP virtual party on the evening, my QLD valentine. Remember the one VDU asked for but did not attend?

Posted by: willow1059 at February 21, 2008 9:13 PM

Hi All,
Dog Obedience Training last night, and yes, I'm coming along nicely, thank you. (Amazingly so is the dog!)
Valentine's Day; isn't it for the very young and romantic? I agree with Wishful, why wait until Feb 14th show you care?
If one is truly romantic, what about a single flower every day rather than an expensive bunch of flowers that will be dead in just over a week? And chocolates that just make us fat as NF so succinctly described in a previous blog! That corny old "tear-jerker" about giving a daisy a day (you young ones won't remember it!) I always thought was about the ongoing love and commitment (far more important in a long-term partner, the sort that will love you and support you through the good and the bad times), than "the more I spend the more I must love you" scenario

Posted by: amberlight58 at February 21, 2008 8:52 PM

WishfulThinker 03: Just stirring. Thanks for the bite.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 21, 2008 8:21 PM

Jesus, Valentine's day,Mother's Day, Father's day, what next....Kids day??? Good grief........

I don't want my kids to acknowledge that l'm a great mum on one day of the year......I want them to do it EVERY DAY........
Bit of a back slap there l guess.

And on Valentine's Day l got a kiss on the cheek from an 80 plus gent at 0730 at work....and a Valentine's Day chocolate heart as well......how lovely that a gentleman of shall we say advancing years thought to do that.........K

Posted by: auntykaz at February 21, 2008 8:03 PM

WnW
Sadly mate I think that if your efforts haven't been acknowledged by now you have your answer and it's probably time to move on.

Posted by: abckenny at February 21, 2008 7:57 PM

Valentine's Day .... that's last week's news. Yes I sent flowers etc on Valentine's Day (very expensive but so what) ... hope they were at least appreciated. Next topic please.

Posted by: woodnwine at February 21, 2008 7:39 PM

Do I want to celebrate being single ?Let me think now...What am I doing here on RSVP again?
Do I wish to wallow in self pity.Hmmm I don't think so
Tacky commercialism? Is valentines day any more tacky or less tacky than Fathers day,Mothers day Christmas or Easter?
I'd love to celebrate valentines day again ....if only....

Posted by: abckenny at February 21, 2008 7:38 PM

Timewarp..not matter how acronyms have evolved...seeing VD there just doesn't seem right at all :)

Valentines' Day - the most famous of all Hallmark Holidays....if you have a special someone in your life, why do you have to wait until Feb 14 to pay 3 times the price for the standard roses - most of which are grown in a hothouse just for Valentines Day so have no scent...I just dont get it. I'd rather he saved the money and maybe spent it elsewhere later....

This one came and went....first one in 20+ years I've not had anyone around - and did I miss it - not in the slightest.....

Posted by: wishfulthinker03 at February 21, 2008 6:44 PM

Is this topic of any real interest to anyone?

Posted by: decoratress at February 21, 2008 6:13 PM

Hi Kenny. Broke my 3 1/2-day work-induced drought and posted in the e-commerce blog at midday (mentioning you) but nobody around, so will try here.

When I have a current darling I buy her a box of chocolates to celebrate the arrival of VD (which has become an OK acronym, now that THEY are called STDs.)

And I gauge how I'm going, by whether she offers me a few of them.

And in any case I send a few VD cards to fellow romantics who will probably send me one, even though we are just long-term very dear friends who've never happened to have got intimately entwined - physically, that is.

And I sent a faster-travelling RSVP stamped email instead this year to one of them, because she was down - she'd heard nothing at all from either of her two current boyfriends - the one who was outgoing, and the one apparently incoming, till VD 2008.

As to going out to eat or sending flowers on VD, that's just overloading the infrastructure.

One of my Dabblers Sunday night tennis mates has a florist courier business. She took this VD right off. Missed the chance to make about 600 deliveries around Brisbane, 3/4 of which she would have had to delegate to one-day casuals, who would have failed about 30 or 40 deliveries each, on past experience, and caused florists and payers to curse her about a hundred times. Not worth the aggravation, she said.

See you on the exercise blog late tonight, after I finish work.

Posted by: timewarp1 at February 21, 2008 5:43 PM

Has valentines day been and gone already?

Posted by: abckenny at February 21, 2008 5:29 PM